NetJets International Interview

[Publishers]

That is what I am saying. Gulfstream could easily contract a cross deal with the other fractionals. \

This whole single carrier crap is for airlines, not some charter company.

I understand the concept, the question is the stats on dead head flying versus boarded. How efficient is this really working out to be. It obviously is not 100% as you still use an incredible amount of charter lift/

 

[CatYaaak]

My Opinions and observations as a Proud NetJets Employee: The future as I see it.

Any and all pilots in a non-union shop will go to the bottom- it’s the law of fairness. NJI pilots already reap the rewards of the hard work put forth through the Union’s associated committees. ....

....The Pilots of NetJets Aviation has sacrificed- through their hard work and dedication -to the business model of NJA for the past 8 years and will no longer except sub-standard compensation.QUOTE]

Talk about a skewed version of things. The reason NJI pilots reap the main reward of higher pay is because those that went to work for NJI when it opened it's doors could command higher salaries by virtue of their experience of time-in-type (G-lV) and int'l ops...something seriously lacking in the pilot force of EJA (NJA). Even Gulfstream recognized this lack of experience and took steps to ensure that seat-by-seniority didn't override experience in the cockpit of their product. Most of these pilots, if they weren't ex-military G-lV pilots, were poached from Part 91 corp flight departments, and had better compensation packages than what NJI offers even now, but accepted it in return for a hard schedule and gateway system, things that existed at EJA prior to a union coming there anyway.

The whole thing is just an attempted seat-grab and sour grapes by those who made the conscious decision not to say "No" to go to work for gutter-wages or through lack of experience didn't have a choice, and are trying to punish someone else for their own individual weakness and sorry condition by using the facade of union "strength" and thuggery.

Besides, when I see "carrier" in aviation legalese, I think "holding out for common carriage", something that NJA or NJI at it's core (selling "ownership") does not do regardless of it holding a Part 135 certificate. This hope you're hanging onto probably won't even apply.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

Good then I guess we can get out from under the RLA too.

 

[Publishers]

You should not be under the RLA. It was never concieved to cover companies like Netjets. Netjets is selling management of corporate and individual flight departments. To run around like you are an airline even though you have a 135 certificate is just ludicrous.

You take advantage of it because you want to and it serves your purpose. Gulfstream demanded and received the right to determine who got into the cockpit of their joint deal with Netjets/. They had a right to do that.

As someone pointed out, at Netjets, for the most part, owners own planes and contract with Netjets for management services. Ultimately they pay the bills. By that nature, their is no Netjets flying. You are picking one owner up with anothers aircraft because you can supposedly do that cheaper than flying his airplane around just for him.

 

[El Chupacabra]

They did not have a right to do that. It was a priviledge granted by the EJA pilots.

 

[da90drivr]

How were the NJA pilots involved in granting that priviledge? Did you get something in return for being so generous?

Along those same lines, if the pilots did allow the company to do this why do you believe you can now reverse your position?

I look forward to your response.

They did not have a right to do that. It was a priviledge granted by the EJA pilots.

 

[El Chupacabra]

An exception to our scope was made. Otherwise it could not be done.

What did we get? Thats a good question. Looks like nothing to me. "...Let me have this and someday this will be the Best Job in aviation"

Still f'n waiting.

 

[da90drivr]

If this is truly the case, what makes you think you can al just change your mind and get the flying back? It seems from you statement you (or your MEC) agreed to the creation of NJI. If you truly relaxed your scope for this,. I think it would have to occur through some sort of side letter between your union and management. You voluntarily gave it up through some sort of negotiation with the company What makes you think a judge will give it back just because...?
Is the NJI operation somehow limited in how long it can exist based on what you negotiated for its creation?

An exception to our scope was made. Otherwise it could not be done.

What did we get? Thats a good question. Looks like nothing to me. "...Let me have this and someday this will be the Best Job in aviation"

Still f'n waiting.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Thats for lawyers to decide.

We will apply all pressure on management until they decide to pay properly.

I am happy for the guys who got a good deal at international. Now I want my good deal.

 

[da90drivr]

What does your group consider fair pay? What standard or base are you using to determine your worth?
This is not meant to be flame bait, I am curious what you think if fair equitable pay for the job you do and the work rules you have. I am looking for an answer other than "as much as we can get".

Thanks