Netjets dying?

[FRACTRASH]

My God! How many times do we have to go round and round over the same argument? NJ and CS both have it D@mn good. As for Mr DBCooper please go to NJ if you want the same union protection you had at the airlines. By the way how's that retirement? If a union is the end all be all then why are the pilots at just about all the airlines and regionals getting screwed left and right. I think if management has an agenda, they'll do what ever they want, union or not. So, I choose to keep a good relationship between the brass and the troops. That's the key to a productive work place.

 

[doylehargraves]

a good relationship between the brass and the troops. That's the key to a productive work place.

And where do you buy your crackpipes at?

 

[FRACTRASH]

doylehargraves: crackpipes, that's something I would expect from a high school student. Listen, this is business 101 for god sake. If you took any business courses, it basically means you get more productivity with sugar, not vinegar. Since you're such a business master mind, I hope this helps you with your next exam. Look at the history books, every company who has had a union has been a failed business model. Usually the employees live high on the hoq for a while then something catastrophic happens and the company takes it all back. trust me, I speak from experience.

 

[doylehargraves]

Judging from your grammar, I can tell college was not in your budget. I have 12 years of managerial experience with a $30 billion dollar company and an MBA from a University. This is what I did prior to flying so, it would be in your interest to tone down your anger a little bit and invest in a spell-checker son.

 

[Fozzy]

Doyle
He is just another pilot high on the koolaid. Don't worry, the honeymoon will soon end.
BTW Trash, you guys still training on your "days off"??? Just curious if that change was actually made.
Oh and my 401K (with 50% company match) is doing fine thank you. And no one is going to lay a hand on that.

 

[Diesel]

Judging from your grammar, I can tell college was not in your budget. I have 12 years of managerial experience with a $30 billion dollar company and an MBA from a University. This is what I did prior to flying so, it would be in your interest to tone down your anger a little bit and invest in a spell-checker son.

soooooooo? I mean does anybody really give a s what you did in your past life. Your paycheck is coming from xyz now.

Of course keep wearing that highschool ring and your letter jacket from 20 years ago.

Yet looking at your past 10 posts you seem to be a troll with no experience past or present.

 

[netjetwife]

Fozzy, the 401K deal at NJ is a very good one, isn't it? We looked over the numbers at home and sunk all that we could from the bonus into our account. The company match upped the total nicely. We'll do the same again with the soon-to-arrive 2nd installment of the signing bonus. Works for us...

 

[Fozzy]

NJW,
I believe that we have one of the best 401K's out there! I have not spoken to anyone anywhere in any industy that has it better. It is an additional $7500 in your paycheck this year and only going up every year. (I say this for anyone that does not already know this)
Last year was the first time I was able to max this out. I plan on hitting the Fed limit every year from now on.
And I do not work (training) on my days off. Answer company phone calls on my time off. Or kiss ass to get ahead. Ya the Union is horrible.

 

[CA1900]

You have to love the maturity of tools like you...

Oh, the sweet irony....

 

[netjetwife]

Fozzy, my husband told me the same thing when we went over the TA that was ratified last Nov. He told me he'd rather have the 401K match than a few thousand more in salary. I quickly saw what he meant. You can't just compare wages between the fracs; there's a lot more to consider.

Yes, CA, I noticed that too, but in my mind it started with an "h"....
How tactful of you to call it irony.... I'll remember that for the future...

 

[FRACTRASH]

Doylehargrames: For your information I can only afford the free spell checker offered on line, because I chose not to join the 1108. As for your 12 years as a CEO for the dollar store, why would you want to be pilot and fight for a good salary and benefits. You shouldn't be a pilot, you should be an owner if you were so great. I just love people that claim to be over educated but still decided to be a pilot and complain they are so above the average pilot that can shoot an approach down to 200 and 1/2 in the worst weather without having 12.345 years as manager, but who's counting. I think you have a price check in Isle 2. Please hurry.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Hmmm? General Motors has the most customers in their industry, they should have no problems making those cost structure changes. Right?

Delta Airlines definitely needs to expand and develope more unprofitable routes to "grow" their way out of bankruptcy. "We're losing money now, but we'll make it up in volume!"

P.S. The real Wildcats are in the Big Ten at Northwestern.

Well, with that analogy, we could also say NJ has no chance because Toys for Tots can't raise the price on the Toys they sell! NJ will make money and will be around for a long time (barring a complete catastrophy).

As for the real Wildcats....at least our mascot doesn't look like a scragely dog or coyote and our logo doesn't look like a cheap rip off of....well....our old logo.

 

[HA25]

We at Flexjet have been consistently told by management for the past 3 or 4 years that Netjets will "bleed to death". That the current business model will not "allow it to survive".


comments??

That's because they don't want to step up to the plate and pay you guys a reasonable wage.. if NetJets would hire me into a 7 and 7, I'd go tomorrow.

 

[DO-82 driver]

V---what are you talking about, most new hires are holding 7&7 before they even start IOE.

7&7 is mainly a senior bid schedule due to the increase in pay.

I guess your application will be on the way.....

 

[Pervis]

V---what are you talking about, most new hires are holding 7&7 before they even start IOE.

7&7 is mainly a senior bid schedule due to the increase in pay.

I guess your application will be on the way.....

I think you meant the reserve schedule is the senior one due to pay.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Pervis....that's what I meant to type.....thanks for catching it. The reserve schedule is the more senior schedule due to the increase in pay.

 

[netjetwife]

That seems surprising to me. You'd think the more senior pilots wouldn't need the money as much as the junior pilots.... I wonder if it doesn't have something to do with family demographics? Pilots with young children may feel that being gone half the month is enough already. I know my family does.

 

[Humphreybogart]

Bogey,

I think you'de be quite surprised to see how many CS pilots would entertain the thought of a Union.

I meet a few each and ever tour I'm out.

And you'd also be surprised at the number of CS folks who realize that the raise they got was a direct result of NJA's contract.

You're not going to continue to kid yourself in believing that our contract ratifying and your pay raise occuring at nearly the same time was by pure chance.....are you?

Everything you claim here is a LIE. How can you actually say that? Maybe your raise made our management know that they still wanted CS to be the highest paid frac out there and they succeeded. All this WITHOUT a union. Please get over it, Kid.

 

[Diesel]

DO82 got called a kid haaaaaaa

 

[DO-82 driver]

So Bogey....you are admitting that our raise was directly responsible for CS folks receiving theirs....for whatever reason. (you're welcome!)

You managemnet's reason for giving you the raises wasn't out of appreciation for what you do and how you do it. It was to making themselves look good so they can tell their customers that you are still the highest paid. Once again CS is comparing themselves to NetJets (the ultimate compliment).

Oh, and lets get something straight. Look at the total pay package as every person in America does. CS does not get paid more than NJA

We pay $0 for health insurance....how about you?

We don't attend training on our days off...how about you?

Holiday pay.........how about you?

Yes, I pay Union dues....about $100/month....what do you pay for health care?

IOE pilots make $500/month

Instructors $1,000/mo

If you fly the XL and XLS...$300/month

One weeks vacation = 3 weeks off
3 weeks vacation/yr = 9 weeks off/yr

I'm sure others can fill in the gaps

There you go Gramps....the truth hurts.......

 

[Hung Start]

Everything you claim here is a LIE. How can you actually say that? Maybe your raise made our management know that they still wanted CS to be the highest paid frac out there and they succeeded. All this WITHOUT a union. Please get over it, Kid.

Geez, Diesel, DO-82 is a kid,, compaired to me. But I'm better looking!

Hung

 

[DO-82 driver]

That's not saying much Hung!!!!

 

[FRACTRASH]

If training at CS falls on your days off, they adjust your next tour to give those days off back. They protect our days off.

 

[DO-82 driver]

I stand correct Frac...thank you. Was that always the case? That's the impression I got after speaking to a few CS guys quite a while back.

 

[FRACTRASH]

No, it was a recent change that was in the works for the last year.

 

[Diesel]

Yeah but hung you're only half the size of him.

 

[doylehargraves]

I just love people that claim to be over educated but still decided to be a pilot and complain they are so above the average pilot that can shoot an approach down to 200 and 1/2 in the worst weather without having 12.345 years as manager, but who's counting. I think you have a price check in Isle 2. Please hurry.

An instrument student with 50 hours total time can do this. Shooting approaches to minimums in the "worst weather" appears to be somewhat of a challenge for you. I have a job more befitting of your talent level; why don't you shoot me your resume and I'll get you an application as a sacker at my store.

What is interesting to me is the effort you put into your posts. Are you really this inadequate in your life? Is there a Corvette in your driveway??

 

[Hung Start]

Yeah but hung you're only half the size of him.

Good God, Man!!! You have me confused with some other Mainiac.

Even at my weakest, I was 2x Do-82 size. And now, livin' the vita-loca,,, hoo-boys!

Anyway,, best of the holidays to all my Netjet buddies! :beer:
(last count, 4 of you former tcas ameigos are there)

Hung

 

[Diesel]

Hung I was just trying to make yourself feel better.

Maine isn't known for their small sizes. But is known for flanel.

Watch out though NJW is going to come in here and say that unions would fix overweight problems of pilots.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Yeah but hung you're only half the size of him.

Geeez Diesel, I hope you know that from heresay only.