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Ultra Grump said:
I have a question about this - since the Gulfstream guys would have a fence essentially locking us out of their aircraft, why would they then get whatever their seniority could hold (most likely based on DOH) on ours? So an NJI guy with the same seniority as mine could bid for the same capt slots I do on the NJA side, yet I am locked out of bidding for the Gulfstream capt slots that may open up on his side. This does not sound like a good idea to me.

If the integration happens as you say, what is the difference for us? Just because the lists are integrated doesn't mean we automatically get their work rules or pay. They may end up stuck with ours. I don't see an upside to this for NJA pilots.

you don't have to worry...a gulfstream FO would not want to go to your side to be captain..i think in all fairness you should be able to apply and interview if you want to switch teams and then start at the bottom of their list and visa versa. the teams should be kept separate.
 
Ultra Grump said:
I have a question about this - since the Gulfstream guys would have a fence essentially locking us out of their aircraft, why would they then get whatever their seniority could hold (most likely based on DOH) on ours? So an NJI guy with the same seniority as mine could bid for the same capt slots I do on the NJA side, yet I am locked out of bidding for the Gulfstream capt slots that may open up on his side. This does not sound like a good idea to me.

If the integration happens as you say, what is the difference for us? Just because the lists are integrated doesn't mean we automatically get their work rules or pay. They may end up stuck with ours. I don't see an upside to this for NJA pilots.

Semper fido got it right. If a G man come over to our side... then there would be a seat open on the G side... for me.... We would get the work rules... no fence on rules, just on type ratings.

Face it ... you cant have a single carrier suit claiming its one company then stick the folks who have been in the one company at the bottom of the list.
 
flyfish said:
NJI sells fractional shares under the umbrella of Netjets. The vendors we use do not.

Gulfstream sells NJI fractional shares under the Gulfstream Shares program, are you coming after Gulfstream Flight Operations next?

GV
 
"I can tell you that the pilots at NJI don't want anything to do with the union company and are frankly amazed at NJA's continuing interest in them. They are an autonomous company with their own President, executive staff, maintenance and dispatch/scheduling operations. "

GV,

We are not interested in your pilots. It is the airplanes we are interested in.
As for the pilots, I don't care. That is what fences are for.

And as far as an "autonomous company". HA. You reek of a company mole and/or kool-aid drinker. Not very "autonomous' when your owners are flying NJA airplanes (and vise versa). This fight is coming, not right away, but it is coming!
 
Fozzy said:
"I can tell you that the pilots at NJI don't want anything to do with the union company and are frankly amazed at NJA's continuing interest in them. They are an autonomous company with their own President, executive staff, maintenance and dispatch/scheduling operations. "

GV,

We are not interested in your pilots. It is the airplanes we are interested in.
As for the pilots, I don't care. That is what fences are for.

And as far as an "autonomous company". HA. You reek of a company mole and/or kool-aid drinker. Not very "autonomous' when your owners are flying NJA airplanes (and vise versa). This fight is coming, not right away, but it is coming!

Fozzy-- crawl back into your hole
 
Fozzy said:
We are not interested in your pilots. It is the airplanes we are interested in.
As for the pilots, I don't care. That is what fences are for.

And as far as an "autonomous company". HA. You reek of a company mole and/or kool-aid drinker. Not very "autonomous' when your owners are flying NJA airplanes (and vise versa). This fight is coming, not right away, but it is coming!

If you're going to post in this thread, perhaps you should read it first.

"I do not now nor have I ever belonged to NJI", said GVFlyer in his best McCarthy era Senate Hearing voice.

I have friends there, know their history because it happened around me and at one time flew with them when my company owned two Gulfstream Shares. I was just trying to provide some background information here. Talk about shooting the messenger!

But, riddle me this, Fozzy, how are you going to force the pilots of a company chartered in South Carolina, a Right to Work state, into a union?



http://www.nrtwc.org/rtw_law.php3?state=sc


GV
 
I find it strangely odd you never see the NJI pilots on here commenting about this obviously one-sided war. I think its appropriate to reiterate what one NJA pilot has said, “we’re not interested in the pilots, just the planes”.

Although I’m not weighing in on either side, I have to say those types of comments aren’t going to bode well for your group. Judges and Jurors have an uncanny ability to discern personal desires over legal rights.
 
GV. You are right I withdraw my last part of my post.

I don't see what S.C. has to do with anything. Right to work or whatever. Not to familiar and don't much care. So operations is there. NJA has ops in Ohio. HQ in NJ. Offices all over. And we are all owned by some rich guy that is based in OMAHA! We will let all the legal minds sort that out.

Fido. It is not headstrong. Just the facts. It is all about the planes and who does the flying. No attitude, just telling it the way it is. This is business, not personal.

If we bring all the flying, NJA and NJI under one list, the pilots will be coming with and still flying the Gwiz's. That is my opinion, but I am pretty sure that is the way it would fall. Fences to keep most happy. It may sound harsh, but it is not as bad as it sounds. Guess some things are lost in the text.



Wolf. What does a jury have to do with anything here??? And legal rights, well I think we have a fighting chance at this if we pursue it.

As far as desire goes. The only desire I have is not having management playing us against each other. Beating us over the head with the chosen one's.



What do we gain from all of this? Well that is the good part.

 

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