NetJets common carrier

[Grizz]

I understood everything you posted AA717. I just don't agree with your assesment of the situation. I have no doubt that Roland advised you as you say. He advised you as to what your best course of action was given the facts of the situation. The facts were that either you guys accepted a buyout and the attendant loss of seniority protection or you watched as TWA closed its doors and you all marched en mass over to the unemployment office to fill out applications. You guys were in a horrible situation and Roland didn't cause it. Mismanagement at TWA put you where you were. AA buying you out was the only potential upside in that situation. Unfortunately, 9-11 and the downturn in the aviation industry happened and you guys took the brunt of it. The buyout at least bought you guys some time before you went on unemployment.

You want to blame all your troubles on the integration with AA. As far back as I can remember, TWA had been teetering on the financial edge. You made the decision to go to work for a company whose financial fortunes were questionable at best. What does that tell all of us about YOUR judgement?

 

[El Chupacabra]

easy Griz. You went to work at a place because someone told you a new Contract was almost done and going to make us all rich. And you believed them.

AA

Likely what would happen is a Fence would be contructed making all current G guys senior in type. As long as they choose to stay in the G- world, nothing would change... as far as a career in that type.

If they wanted to leave the G4 for another type, that would depend on the overall seniority they hold in the entire pilot group. I think likely DOH since its a Single carrier Suit claiming that both companies are really One company... if that suit were to succeed I do not see how integration could be otherwise.

What's in it for us?

I told you all before. The main thing is that we have been denied certain important benefits by management simply out of Spite. Fly from home is the biggest. Another is that we are prevented from flying any aircraft that is competing with the G4/G5 because of a noncompete agreeement with gulfstream. Ie no Falcon 900EX.

Do the math. 1000's of pilots at NJA have no chance of ever getting into a Gulfstream. That is not what this is about. There are just not enough and will never be enough of them to open many seats. Its about being unfairly treated and the big issue for me is Fly From Home because I commute 300 miles to my gateway from the 8th largest city in the US. costing me time and thousands of $$$ for no other reason than management says Why should we just give you that when we can use it as a bargaining chip in negotiations.

 

[flyfish]

They are an autonomous company with their own President, executive staff, maintenance and dispatch/scheduling operations.

GV





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True, but the big problem is...they're carrying our passengers. And don't forget this "autonomous company" is only a few months old. Before that, we were all one. Doing the same job, for less money. And as, by far, the most profitable division of Netjets. We'd like to change that.

 

[Grizz]

easy Griz. You went to work at a place because someone told you a new Contract was almost done and going to make us all rich. And you believed them.

I believed that a new contract was just around the corner based on what I was told by line Captains conducting the interview and non-pilots involved in the hiring process. I never believed that I was going to get rich, just thought this was going to turn into a career rather than a time building slot. Was I naive? Certainly. The difference is that with effort on our part, we can turn this into a career and that's what I've strived to do since coming here. If it doesn't work out, I will move on because I'm smart enough not to stay with a sinking ship. I'll know which direction I'm going later this year.

 

[GVFlyer]

True, but the big problem is...they're carrying our passengers. And don't forget this "autonomous company" is only a few months old. Before that, we were all one. Doing the same job, for less money. And as, by far, the most profitable division of Netjets. We'd like to change that.

Prior to moving to the larger facility in Okatie, South Carolina in 2003, EJI/NJI Headquarters was in Bluffton, SC at the intersection of Highway 278 and Moss Creek Drive where they had been located since 1996.

They did consolidate Gulfstream scheduling in their larger facility. Understandably so, when I was flying NJI aircraft, the Columbus scheduling cell was the weak link in the chain.

I'm not sure I follow your logic about NJI carrying your passengers - so do your vendors, but I don't believe you've invited them into your union.

I have no problem with you getting as much money as the market will bear, however, I think it is unrealistic to expect that your compensation will come up to the level of Gulfstream, Global and Boeing pilots. Even at NJA, the Boeing guys have a separate contract (and have formed a new company whatever that's about). It's a pay for weight world out there. The reason your current contract is seniority based is because you had only one type of aircraft at the time it was written.

GV

 

[transpac]

It's a pay for weight world out there. The reason your current contract is seniority based is because you had only one type of aircraft at the time it was written.

GV

Tell this to the folks at UPS.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Likely what would happen is a Fence would be contructed making all current G guys senior in type. As long as they choose to stay in the G- world, nothing would change... as far as a career in that type.

If they wanted to leave the G4 for another type, that would depend on the overall seniority they hold in the entire pilot group. I think likely DOH since its a Single carrier Suit claiming that both companies are really One company... if that suit were to succeed I do not see how integration could be otherwise.

Do the math. 1000's of pilots at NJA have no chance of ever getting into a Gulfstream.

I have a question about this - since the Gulfstream guys would have a fence essentially locking us out of their aircraft, why would they then get whatever their seniority could hold (most likely based on DOH) on ours? So an NJI guy with the same seniority as mine could bid for the same capt slots I do on the NJA side, yet I am locked out of bidding for the Gulfstream capt slots that may open up on his side. This does not sound like a good idea to me.

If the integration happens as you say, what is the difference for us? Just because the lists are integrated doesn't mean we automatically get their work rules or pay. They may end up stuck with ours. I don't see an upside to this for NJA pilots.

 

[GEXDriver]

Tell this to the folks at UPS.

Gosh, that changes everything! I guess everybody else will be following suit now. Maybe everyone will start randomly searching the pilots AFTER a flight like UPS does, too.

 

[transpac]

Gosh, that changes everything! I guess everybody else will be following suit now. Maybe everyone will start randomly searching the pilots AFTER a flight like UPS does, too.

Can't help but chuckle when I read about light twin pilots bragging about the weight of the airplanes they fly. Kind of like a C-172 pilot lording over his brethern in C-150s. A Gulfstream is a fine airplane, but it's a long way from being a heavy.

 

[flyfish]

I'm not sure I follow your logic about NJI carrying your passengers - so do your vendors, but I don't believe you've invited them into your union.


GV

NJI sells fractional shares under the umbrella of Netjets. The vendors we use do not.