NetJets common carrier

[Muddauber]

Unions do not equal failure....look at SWA.

You can't compare the for-profit International Brotherhood of Teamsters with the Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association which is a non-profit association of pilots.

Muddy

 

[Diesel]

Hey mudaber why don't you go over to the major's board or the southwest lounge and explain to them why you hate unions and why you don't want to be part of one. I'd love to see their reaction.

 

[semperfido]

Hey mudaber why don't you go over to the major's board or the southwest lounge and explain to them why you hate unions and why you don't want to be part of one. I'd love to see their reaction.

It seems like you are twisting Muddys words

 

[Diesel]

do a search on his past posts. History is an interesting teacher.

 

[semperfido]

You can't compare the for-profit International Brotherhood of Teamsters with the Southwest Airlines Pilots' Association which is a non-profit association of pilots.

Muddy

In this case he is correct

 

[Publishers]

This is a continuation of a web site article sent to me by a member.

By the way, the Marquis Card people are purchasing the shares of an owner other than Netjets are they not.

"Unfortunately, most employees do not know or clearly understand their choices and legal alternatives vis-a-vis the union. On the one hand, it is common knowledge that employees have the right to join and assist unions. Less well known, however, is employees' right to refrain from supporting the union. This "right to refrain" includes: a) the right to refrain from joining the union in the first place;(3) b) the right to resign from union membership at any time, and thereby escape any post-resignation internal union fines or discipline;(4) and c) the right to stop paying full union dues and instead pay only a reduced "financial core fee" which excludes the union's political and non-collective bargaining expenditures.(5) Unfortunately, many employees are misled into believing, either tacitly or through outright misrepresentations, that they are required as a condition of employment to join the union and pay full dues as a condition of employment.(6) "

 

[Muddauber]

Hey mudaber why don't you go over to the major's board or the southwest lounge and explain to them why you hate unions and why you don't want to be part of one. I'd love to see their reaction.

Read my post slowly, sound out the words, move your lips if you have to... try hard to understand what I wrote. You sure didn't get it the first time.

Muddy

 

[SafetyTheSeat]

This is a continuation of a web site article sent to me by a member.

By the way, the Marquis Card people are purchasing the shares of an owner other than Netjets are they not.

"Unfortunately, most employees do not know or clearly understand their choices and legal alternatives vis-a-vis the union. On the one hand, it is common knowledge that employees have the right to join and assist unions. Less well known, however, is employees' right to refrain from supporting the union. This "right to refrain" includes: a) the right to refrain from joining the union in the first place;(3) b) the right to resign from union membership at any time, and thereby escape any post-resignation internal union fines or discipline;(4) and c) the right to stop paying full union dues and instead pay only a reduced "financial core fee" which excludes the union's political and non-collective bargaining expenditures.(5) Unfortunately, many employees are misled into believing, either tacitly or through outright misrepresentations, that they are required as a condition of employment to join the union and pay full dues as a condition of employment.(6) "

Pubs……..



You forgot to add one little point……. Signed contract; No UNION card, No Fly company airplanes…….

 

[Publishers]

Read slowly.

 

[RJFlyer]

.....

 

[Publishers]

now think about the EJI people........

 

[Diesel]

Jesus publishers are you that retarted.

NJA- In our contract it states that our planes can only be flown by union employees or managment (restricted to a certain number of days) No union card no work. Period.

NJI- Has no cba and therefor anybody can fly their airplanes. NJI routinely leases out their airplanes to different companies while their gwhiz planes are down for mx or trips. As long as the crews meet the insurance requirements.

Can't you go somewhere else where they might be impressed with your lackluster career? Maybe the training section or jetcareers.com or airliners.net. They might be impressed with your crap.

Oh and take catyaaak with you.

 

[650 driver]

Old Diesel sure gets upset with corporate pilots, I guess he cant face the truth.
I am upset you did not tell me to leave also, darn.

To many uppers and downers

650

 

[Diesel]

Why would i get upset at corp pilots. Some of my very best friends are corp guys.

What does anoy me are people that think they know my job and can make wild assumptions about this industry. Use some facts... Back it up.

Oh yeah did you see our record profit this year? Hope we don't close the doors too soon.

 

[Publishers]

diesel was not reading the part about the rights of employees when it comes to unions. I believe what it says is there are various ways where you can have the card but not pay the full dues. In an earlier post, I wondered how that related to seniority.

the short version is that if you disagree or try to bring up some other issues you obviously do not know anything about the job. the fact that seven major newspapers and cnn thought I knew something about the "job" is irrevelant to diesel. I certainly apologize to diesel that I did not have any ambition to be a pilot for a living but rather enjoyed flying my own and some of the aircraft I leased to airlines. in his infinite wisdom, he discounts that I miught have learned anything from the pilots I employed, the pilots who read my publications or articles, or the people I talk with everyday from Netjets and other companies. In fact, my thirty years has been according to some totally wasted as I have learned so little.

furthermore, the fact that the company made money in the US and promptly lost it in Europe belies the net fact which is the company did not make money. surely management knows that there are some limits to the continued sales in the US and wants to develope the European market, all aspects of any business.

Than again, I never learned anything running companies either.