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[Hawk Driver]

I don't see how a system based on seniority rather than ability can be better than one that recognizes it when you're busting your ass!

This becomes too subjective and the only way to move up is exactly what Majik and Grizz stated. Unfortunately, the only way for that to happen in our company is if you were to move to CMH, otherwise you are an unknown. Just ask the guys at FLOPS about their upgrade experiences. I had friends that worked for Raytheon before the merger and they said it was truly a wreck getting an upgrade. At least with a seniority based system, everyone has a chance to upgrade. If that person is deemed that they don't have any leadership abilities or can't fly the plane, they don't get the promotion.

Thanks for your service and sacrifice,

HD

 

[Semore Butts]

Sea Spray Great Comments

First of all, I'm deployed too.

I find it humorous to hear some military guy talking a bunch of sh*t to a bunch of former military guys that are now flying civilian.

Lets start with the basics Sea Spray,

This is sh*t, Ok, this is shinola,

Ok guys, the education of Sea Spray has begun.

Sea Spray, your attitude is amuzing, but not funny. Where do get off coming here and bad mouthing us about trying to make our lives better?

I don't give a sh*t how high speed you think you are in the military. When you get to this side (If you can keep your attitude hidden during the interview), you will be a brand new First Officer.

You may very likely be flying with a younger Captain that has more time then you do. He doesn't give a hoot about your years in the military, all he remembers is the risking his life as a CFI or a freight dog.

So because you are who you are you should be able to step to the head of the line? Well someone of your qualification should go right into the left seat of am American 777.

Oh wait their union wont allow you to do that? Oh, neither will Delta's, United's, Southwest, Continental.

Gee, there must be a reason all these companies with so many pilots have unions? Umm?

You basically don't know what the hell you are talking about, so why don't try to listen, maybe you will learn something.

Jerk..

 

[AA717driver]

I just got off the phone with one of our MEC members and have some more information on this topic. The lawyer leading the charge on this is Roland Wilder. He's one of the top scope attorneys in the nation and has been working Teamster scope issues for just about forever. I met the man at the IAD roadshow and I can tell you he's the real deal. Anyway, his recommendation is that we've got one of the strongest cases for single carrier status he's ever seen and that we'd be foolish not to pursue it. The airline division agrees and has approved the lawsuit to go forward. I guess they know something that all the naysayers on the board here don't.

HAAAAAAA!!! Whoa! That's a good one, Griz. Yeah Roland's gonna take good care of you. Just like he did for me. Yeah, that's right, Roland was the attorney for the TWA MEC when AA bought us. ("If you don't sign this integration document you will be left dancing naked in the street." Yes, Roland, we're naked because you advised us to waive our SCOPE clause.)

If you take his advice you'll end up like me--no SCOPE, no seniority and no job. All he's trying to do is to make up for the lost income from us withholding our payment until the DFR lawsuit against ALPA is settled. Oh, yeah, did I mention he's a big part of WHY we have a DFR lawsuit against ALPA?

Good luck with the seat grab thing.TC

 

[Diesel]

If you guys hadn't been bought out by AA you would have been out on the street regardless. At least you have a possibility of going back to AA.

 

[Grizz]

Most of the TWA guys fail to understand that Deisel. Their company was tanked. They were facing unemployment. The fact that AA bought the burning wreckage of an airline called TWA only gave them a temporary reprieve. I feel for them but the acquired company's pilots almost always take it in the shorts..that's a fact of aviaition life. AA717 is still bitter about his treatment and I understand it. His bitterness doesn't change for one second my thoughts as to what is in the best interest of our pilot group.

 

[SkyGirl]

First of all, I'm deployed too.

I find it humorous to hear some military guy talking a bunch of sh*t to a bunch of former military guys that are now flying civilian.

Lets start with the basics Sea Spray,

This is sh*t, Ok, this is shinola,

Ok guys, the education of Sea Spray has begun.

Sea Spray, your attitude is amuzing, but not funny. Where do get off coming here and bad mouthing us about trying to make our lives better?

I don't give a sh*t how high speed you think you are in the military. When you get to this side (If you can keep your attitude hidden during the interview), you will be a brand new First Officer.

You may very likely be flying with a younger Captain that has more time then you do. He doesn't give a hoot about your years in the military, all he remembers is the risking his life as a CFI or a freight dog.

So because you are who you are you should be able to step to the head of the line? Well someone of your qualification should go right into the left seat of am American 777.

Oh wait their union wont allow you to do that? Oh, neither will Delta's, United's, Southwest, Continental.

Gee, there must be a reason all these companies with so many pilots have unions? Umm?

You basically don't know what the hell you are talking about, so why don't try to listen, maybe you will learn something.

Jerk..

Not to be critical here, but perhaps you should actually read someone's post before you reply to it.

It's pretty clear that SeaSpray said nothing about his own abilities nor was he against your group trying to better their lot. His beef was with what he perceived to be your aggressively seeking to destroy the lives of another group of pilots in order to better your own position.

Thanks for your service to our country.

_SkyGirl_

 

[El Chupacabra]

Once again, another person who never worked as a pilot offering an unwanted and unasked for opinion.

Hey don't think we don't appreciate it though....

 

[SkyGirl]

Once again, another person who never worked as a pilot offering an unwanted and unasked for opinion.

Hey don't think we don't appreciate it though....

Not an opinion, just an observable fact. Read SeaSpray's post. I just thought Semore was a little harsh with SeaSpray for something he didn't say.

_SkyGirl_

 

[El Chupacabra]

I have read the post. SeaHorse thinks he should get a seat in a G-IV because he is more qualified than the 2000 pilots already here. Thats why he does not want us to blow it for him by bringing those ships under the Union canopy. Then he'd have to wait in line.

Pretends he cares about the guys already in Gulfstreams... He is just out for himself. He doesn't care about me... I been here 7 years and I think a G-IV would look very good on me.

In his ignorance of the circumstances he believes the single carrier suit is about grabbing seats in the Gulfstreams. It is not. It is about the fact that 5 years ago this union worked out an agreement with Management on Home Based Airports. An arrangement where pilots could report to work at the nearest airport to their home that had sufficient airline service. An arrangement that the Gulfstream side enjoyed then and still does now.

At the 11th hour management renegs because they reason out loud... We are about to enter contract negotiations. Why should we give you something we can use as a bargaining chip? Management continues to resist Home based airports in current negotiations.

Well our response is only now surfacing. Home base airports for EVERYBODY or NOBODY. That is what single carrier is about.

 

[Semore Butts]

Skygirl, I'm sorry if you feel I was to harsh, my "what a jerk" alarm went off and I reacted.

Seaspray makes it sound like all the NJI guys are more qualified then the rest of us. I don't buy that for a minute.

He has no idea what he is talking about.

Do you know how NJI came to be?

We are a bunch of pricks? (and I'm harsh, remember?)

He doesn't know us, or what we have been through. He doesn'y even have a dog in this fight, yet he is gonna judge us?

We are fighting a cause that will improve the industry as a whole. We are the ones enduring the low pay, and now the mental warfare the company is dishing out.

If it comes to it we will probably strike, if we are successful, the majority will profit from it. If we lose it will lower the bar for everyone. We are the ones puttng it on the line while he sits and judges. No doubt he will be anxiously watching for the outcome to plan his future moves.

You wanna know what harsh is? I live about 100 yards from one of the major MEDEVAC pads here in Iraq.

Have a nice day.