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h2,

We are just spitting back the company's own words from their own website and sales brochures. Then asking them to reconcile this against what they want to pay.

What are they going to respond?

Change the Sales brochure from

"Best pilots in the sky" ... to ... "Least Expensive Pilots in the Sky? or "Lowest paid Pilots in the Sky"?

So what I think you and the Caat perceive as arrogance from ASAP is not so... its just making a point .
 
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What you are conveniently overlooking is the fact that the union seems willing to screw over / insult just about anyone in their efforts to get what they want. If they would just stick to the fact that you guys are WAY underpaid for what you do you'd probably come out just as well while garnering a little respect in the industry... B.S. is B.S. no matter who's shoveling it...

The SCAB listing threats, single carrier lawsuits, claiming everyone else is "less safe" - "less productive", etc...

I support ANYONE trying to get a better paycheck. BELIEVE ME, you're not going to find a more dedicated capitalist than me. It just seems to me that you're using different groups as pawns in your efforts.
 
El Chupacabra said:
h2,

We are just spitting back the company's own words from their own website and sales brochures. Then asking them to reconcile this against what they want to pay.

What are they going to respond?

Change the Sales brochure from

"Best pilots in the sky" ... to ... "Least Expensive Pilots in the Sky? or "Lowest paid Pilots in the Sky"?

So what I think you and the Caat perceive as arrogance from ASAP is not so... its just making a point .
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I think it's clear that there's no "perception of arrogance" involved....it's just us laughing at utter B.S. of ASAP's statement about other pilots being "less safe" and "less trained". Those are ASAP's words, not from your company's brochure....that part about you being the "best pilots". I mean, that's funny too, but like H25b noted, you guys get more creative every day.

It's a good thing you never have to actually prove your tag-on B.S. lines. Then you'd look foolish to everyone, not merely the rest of us pilots.
 
What the hell are you guys doing on the fractional site anyway? Isn't their a corportate pilot site you guys can hang out in. Maybe you should tell us who you work for then maybe we can have NetJets talk your boss into closing your flight dept. and flying with us. You might really belong here then. Oh yeah ASAP also tells everyone we have big dicks too! Then again you guys with pencil dicks wouldn't belong here anyway.
 
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What the hell are you guys doing on the fractional site anyway? Isn't their a corportate pilot site you guys can hang out in. Maybe you should tell us who you work for then maybe we can have NetJets talk your boss into closing your flight dept. and flying with us. You might really belong here then. Oh yeah ASAP also tells everyone we have big dicks too! Then again you guys with pencil dicks wouldn't belong here anyway.
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Oh, here we go again with the "we'll shut down your flight department" chest-puffery....and once again I'm laughing my a$$ off at your pathetic threat. Sorry, but my bosses aren't looking for the lowest-wage pilots, and they don't rent, they buy. And your union..any union... is illegal here so you're pretty much screwed on that front. Basically, you have nothing to offer, including aircraft large enough, or tailored enough. They just keep a couple teeny-weeny Falcons around for trips into places the heavies can't manage.

You're about the 4th or 5th person to come up with that "we'll close you down" thing. Never heard anything like that in all my years in this business before you guys came along, and then only from your group. You seem to attract that type of chickensh!t personality. But be glad you don't shut all the corporate ops down. If you did, where would ASAP come up with those higher NBAA numbers they keep yapping about and comparing themselves to? You should thank those of us who didn't go to work for your wages and gave you your salary goals.

But why am I here? Well, it's just come to my attention that I'm "less trained" and "less safe" according to a new group of self-appointed business aviation expert pilots...some of which have at least 2 or even 3 years of experience in the field!... so I was hoping I can improve myself and learn something from you Skygods before I.....you know....crash or something.
 
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Catyaak is clear that anyone who has over 700 post on the site really doesn't have a job. Maybe you think flying Microsoft flight sim all day is a job.
 
I'll never for the life of me understand why pilots seperate QOL and pay!! Any other field I know pay is part of the quality of life equation. Perhaps it's just justification for low wages!! Either way, STFD!
 
Some Dude said:
Catyaak is clear that anyone who has over 700 post on the site really doesn't have a job. Maybe you think flying Microsoft flight sim all day is a job.
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Really...???... Some people probably think that someone with only 10 posts probably doesn't know what they're talking about.

Most decent flying jobs will allow enough time off to have that many posts, but you probably wouldn't know that either... :D
 
I AM going to be a SCAB...

I just realized that I will be a scab when NJA walks. A couple of the owner's offspring are NJA customers. We will surely be hauling them around when their rides don't show up.

We are already hauling one of them when the hours run out.

I only ask two things: Please spell my name right when you put it on the list and, please make sure ALPA gets the list with my name on it. It'll be kind of nice to give a little back after 15 years of a$$ f***ings from "my union". :rolleyes:

So, I guess those of us who you are going to call scabs do have a dog in this fight. You guys aren't just crapping in your own bed, you are crapping all over the community.TC
 
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Maybe you think flying Microsoft flight sim all day is a job.
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Your feeble attempt at an insult would be disappointing, except that would presume having a higher level of expectation than I can manage given your predictablility for the unoriginal and sophmoric.

So if you don't succeed in shutting down everyone's flight department and this flying thing doesn't work out for you, maybe you could get a job writing union propoganda and press releases...it would be a good fit with your skill-set.

But what are you doing here posting? Shouldn't you be somewhere doing something to maintain that "more-trained' and "more-safe" status that only "the best pilots" such as yourself enjoy?
 
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Catyak or whatever your title is. What part of NJA ads do you not understand? ASAP is only repeating what the ads state. It is the belief of NJA that we are the best. Of course their are corporate pilots that are great. ASAP is only using the companies own statements to better our position.
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But if NJ Really believed their own info, the pilots would be rewarded. What they really think is that the pilots are disposable.
 
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But if NJ Really believed their own info, the pilots would be rewarded. What they really think is that the pilots are disposable.
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Are pilots NOT disposable? I mean....think about it...they have NO self respect...look at the wages they work for!

Dont ever think you are not replaceable. You are, in a matter of weeks. You are not some integral, irreplaceable part of the machine. You are a driver. You went and sat through 6-10 sim sessions and started flying that Cessna. Lots of folks, practically anyone, can do that. The sad part? they will line up behind you to do it for practically any wage.

some folks are starting to sound pretty crazy around here.....NetJetwife might tell you how important you are...trust the rest of the industry - you're not.
 

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