Neptune Aviation P2 down near Tooele, UT

[CitationCapt]

See this link. The crash happened about 10 AM this morning. CC

http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-converted-military-plane-crashes-killing-3,0,4499449.story

 

[avbug]

I knew Tom Risk well, and flew with him many times on fires.

I flew fires out of Tooele (Erda) airport for several years, and ironically dropped on fires in the same location where the P2 crashed.

Tom was a very experienced pilot in the business, and a good man. He was intelligent, and a challenging character to be around at times.

Unfortunately this is just the start of the season.

 

[414Flyer]

Crap crap crap, not a good way to begin things at all.
They werent even on a fire, just enroute to one in New Mexico

 

[multi620dark]

I co-pilot'd for Tom on the KC-97 back in '99 in KFBK and was a good man.. My condolences, thoughts, and prayers....

 

[TWA]

Godspeed to those who perished...

 

[chuckthepilot]

Terrible. Best of wishes to all involved, be careful out there...

 

[cargopod]

God Speed on the flight west.. Tom and Crew.

Tom you will be missed.

 

[outerfix]

p2

i wonder how many times acidents like this have to happen before things change. many of the crews are not comfortable flying ifr and many of the aircraft are not set up to fly in known icing. the oas, the operator and the captain should not allow the aircraft to launch in marginal vfr conditions on a ferry flight. same thing happened to tanker 99. what a tragedy.

 

[avbug]

You have some kind of magical insight into what occured, or is this pure speculation on your part. If so, keep it to yourself.

 

[machtuk]

Ditto what AvBug said.... Ya don't build 1000's of hrs. flying strictly vfr...We (Tanker Pilots) are ALL ifr cert. and very comfortable flyin in the soup. Before things change.??? C'mon now, thats all we need, more beaurocratic b.s. / rules n regs..I think theres enough info on CFIT... Sure the P2V isn't "known ice" but I don't recall any reports of ice at the time, and I'm fairly certain that ice wasn't the culprit... I DO agree however that crew should've tightened up their CRM and discussed their escape routes if/when they did enter IMC...... My $.02

 

[DC4boy]

Ditto what AvBug said.... Ya don't build 1000's of hrs. flying strictly vfr...We (Tanker Pilots) are ALL ifr cert. and very comfortable flyin in the soup. Before things change.??? C'mon now, thats all we need, more beaurocratic b.s. / rules n regs..I think theres enough info on CFIT... Sure the P2V isn't "known ice" but I don't recall any reports of ice at the time, and I'm fairly certain that ice wasn't the culprit... I DO agree however that crew should've tightened up their CRM and discussed their escape routes if/when they did enter IMC...... My $.02

Well....unfortunately said...maybe we need more rules and Regs. I need 30 more years out of this business. If ******************** like this keeps happening...it's all gone.

 

[phr8dawg]

Tailwinds west to your fire crew.

 

[machtuk]

Well....unfortunately said...maybe we need more rules and Regs. I need 30 more years out of this business. If ******************** like this keeps happening...it's all gone.

Uuhhh, well what MORE can they add about CFIT
DC-4..??? Pretty self-explanatory to me.. Like me too, you need another 30 outta aviation. I'm certain people will continue to fly for many more years than that, and mother earth will always burn somewhere.
Unfortunately your probably right though, indeed they will undoubtedly think of something more to add

 

[DC4boy]

Uuhhh, well what MORE can they add about CFIT
DC-4..??? Pretty self-explanatory to me.. Like me too, you need another 30 outta aviation. I'm certain people will continue to fly for many more years than that, and mother earth will always burn somewhere.
Unfortunately your probably right though, indeed they will undoubtedly think of something more to add

Uhhh...?

Inform yourself...Congress is trying to pass a bill right now that will allow MAFFS/ANG to deploy, without committing all contract resources, first. This bill has already passed the House...

Were you around in 2004?

 

[machtuk]

Uhhh...?

Inform yourself...Congress is trying to pass a bill right now that will allow MAFFS/ANG to deploy, without committing all contract resources, first. This bill has already passed the House...

Were you around in 2004?

DC-4.. Uncle Sam is only considering the outflow COSTS of the firefighting industry when entertaining the idea of FIRST utilizing MAFFS/ANG prior to using contract companies... Even IF the bill passes, and is implemented, over time the quality and use of the MAFFS system will only be INaddition to the use of contract companies. Meaning he (UncleSam) will be spending the money for BOTH resources. I have worked with multiple MAFFS support teams over the years.. Oh and yes, I was around in '04, infact I've been in the Air Tanker industry since '65.