need help on salary for FO on Legacy

[Friend]

Hi

I wanted to know what salary would a FO get on a Legacy. There is a private company that states if you pay for your own FO type rating at corporate rate the company will reimburse you monthly for 1 year your cost for the type on the Legacy. Do you think this is a good idea and what kind of pay would one get as a FO on the legacy.

 

[kf4amu]

don't ever pay for training.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Last time I looked entry-level on EMB was anywhere from $53,000 to $109,000, with the higher salary for a co-Captain.

Low-rent outfits like Starbase were paying like crap. Private owners were paying over $100K for CQFOs.

The reality is, $53,000 to $76,000 is where you will find most gigs, although these days.... Eeek.

 

[PiratePilot]

Hi

I wanted to know what salary would a FO get on a Legacy. There is a private company that states if you pay for your own FO type rating at corporate rate the company will reimburse you monthly for 1 year your cost for the type on the Legacy. Do you think this is a good idea and what kind of pay would one get as a FO on the legacy.

Do you work for Mesa?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Any corporate outfit that makes you pay for your own training should raise a huge red flag.....this concept is just beyond stupid.

If they cant afford to train their own pilots, I'd be very surprised if they even want to pay you at all? I wouldn't! Id charge the owner 200K for that position and roll a bunch of moron pilots through the right seat and just not pay them!....:laugh:

Seriously, in the lowest part of corporate/ratty charter I have heard of year long "contracts" where you agree to pay them back pro-rated if you leave...thats kinda like slavery but at least YOU aren't fronting the money. Its kind of a mutual understanding of "we all know this job $ucks, but lets just stick it out to get some experience" type of agreement.

Personally, I wouldn't pay a dime for ANY of the type ratings I have. I'm not a contractor, I don't work for myself....Its part of the job, like having phones/computers/paper/staplers in an office.

 

[PiratePilot]

The name of the company is Universal Jet

 

[guido411]

According to ProPilot 2010

EMB Legacy
50-65-77 (Lo-Avg-Hi)

 

[guido411]

The ONLY bright side I can see to this gig is that MAYBE they desire to find the right fit at the company and not just hire any ol' already typed regional FO. This gives them a chance to minimize their risk to do so rather than become a revolving door.

But I'm with G200, at the VERY least they should be paying for the type and ask you to sign one of those bogus traning agreements. Problem is, they too know it's bogus and if you leave they'll never get their money.

 

[AZaviator]

Any corporate outfit that makes you pay for your own training should raise a huge red flag.....this concept is just beyond stupid.

If they cant afford to train their own pilots, I'd be very surprised if they even want to pay you at all? I wouldn't! Id charge the owner 200K for that position and roll a bunch of moron pilots through the right seat and just not pay them!....:laugh:

Seriously, in the lowest part of corporate/ratty charter I have heard of year long "contracts" where you agree to pay them back pro-rated if you leave...thats kinda like slavery but at least YOU aren't fronting the money. Its kind of a mutual understanding of "we all know this job $ucks, but lets just stick it out to get some experience" type of agreement.

Personally, I wouldn't pay a dime for ANY of the type ratings I have. I'm not a contractor, I don't work for myself....Its part of the job, like having phones/computers/paper/staplers in an office.

Exactly what Gulfstream 200 said. Don't ever pay for training.

 

[G100driver]

Last time I looked entry-level on EMB was anywhere from $53,000 to $109,000, with the higher salary for a co-Captain.

Low-rent outfits like Starbase were paying like crap. Private owners were paying over $100K for CQFOs.

The reality is, $53,000 to $76,000 is where you will find most gigs, although these days.... Eeek.

This is my beef with the WSCofD ..... it is an airplane that lowers the bar ... significantly. If I could wave my want ... this airplane along with its subpar salaries would go to the way of HansaJet.

The problem with this piece of composite airplane is that guys flying commuters is that this salary is like winning the lottery.

 

[ttflyer]

This is my beef with the WSCofD ..... it is an airplane that lowers the bar ... significantly. If I could wave my want ... this airplane along with its subpar salaries would go to the way of HansaJet.

The problem with this piece of composite airplane is that guys flying commuters is that this salary is like winning the lottery.

Amen...

 

[hawkerflyer]

The name of the company is Universal Jet

If it's the 135 outfit headquartered in Boca Raton, it's your typical South Florida crappy charter operation. NEVER PAY FOR TRAINING.

 

[LegacyDriver]

This is my beef with the WSCofD ..... it is an airplane that lowers the bar ... significantly. If I could wave my want ... this airplane along with its subpar salaries would go to the way of HansaJet.

The problem with this piece of composite airplane is that guys flying commuters is that this salary is like winning the lottery.

It doesn't lower the bar any more than the pilots who fly it do. I know guys flying Falcons for $40K a year, too. It isn't just the Embraer.

It's a better airplane than your Falcon so get used to it, brother. They're not going away.

The problem isn't the airplane it's the industry. I don't care what you fly--Gulfstream, Falcon, Cessna, Bombardier, Hawker or Embraer--the salaries are going *DOWN* so long as people will take the jobs...

For a newhire...if the company pays to type you...expect mid-50s. If you show up with a type you can go as high as $120K. Depends on the outfit. Frac? Corp? Private owner?

As to the man's question, NO, I would not pay for my own training. That's why I'm still on the beach myself. I'm not paying to get current just to compete with a lot of guys who already are. There are plenty of pilots to fill the seats right now. These contract guys are all over the place and they make their living at it. It will be awfully hard to break in...

OTOH, it is a great jet to fly. But not worth paying for training.

 

[ttflyer]

It doesn't lower the bar any more than the pilots who fly it do. I know guys flying Falcons for $40K a year, too. It isn't just the Embraer.

It's a better airplane than your Falcon so get used to it, brother. They're not going away.

The problem isn't the airplane it's the industry. I don't care what you fly--Gulfstream, Falcon, Cessna, Bombardier, Hawker or Embraer--the salaries are going *DOWN* so long as people will take the jobs...

For a newhire...if the company pays to type you...expect mid-50s. If you show up with a type you can go as high as $120K. Depends on the outfit. Frac? Corp? Private owner?

As to the man's question, NO, I would not pay for my own training. That's why I'm still on the beach myself. I'm not paying to get current just to compete with a lot of guys who already are. There are plenty of pilots to fill the seats right now. These contract guys are all over the place and they make their living at it. It will be awfully hard to break in...

OTOH, it is a great jet to fly. But not worth paying for training.

I don't think G100's point was that it's a bad airplane. His point is that all the corporate derivatives of regional jets have lowered the bar on salary. you may find the odd 40K falcon pilot, but you will find hundreds or even thousands of pilots who are over worked and extremely underpaid flying regional jets. These guys "feel like the won the lottery" if they get paid 40K to work a corporate schedule. That lowers the bar - plain and simple. Yes, it's industry wide. The ruin of this industry started when a snow machine company in Canada convinced a little turbo-prop airline in Cincinnati that they could pay their pilot's peanuts to fly it's airline derivative of corporate jet... The rest is history. Do you have the number of that truck driving school? I think I could use that...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

It doesn't lower the bar any more than the pilots who fly it do. I know guys flying Falcons for $40K a year, too. It isn't just the Embraer.

It's a better airplane than your Falcon so get used to it, brother. They're not going away.

No, it is Legacys and other airline equipment. To many of those guys a salary of 60K is a raise, as pathetic as that is. Falcon pilots don't normally make anywhere near 40K, Legacy pilots often do. Ya gotta ask why....is it the level of the pilot? the type of dirtbag operation that runs Legacys? Its a valid question.

and C'mon LD...has the rest of the market caught up to the fact that Embraer makes a better airplane than Dassault yet? I dont think so.

Sorry to hear you are still looking, I do know a few places that hired Falcon pilots recently!