My thoughts

[luckydog]

And el, if you are counting on the teamsters to save you,don't hold your breath. The Flex pilots are going to have to do that for themselves.

Are you the guy in the Captain Obvious commercials?

That is what most FJ pilots have been saying all along

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

No but i did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[OHGOON]

el RATon,

Teamsters, "one of the most corrupt outfits in US history" ?

Have you any unbiased statistics to back up this claim? Have you ever paid dues to them? Worked for or with them? Do you "KNOW" anything"?..or are you just another confused right wing drone that channels your inner Hannity whenever confronted with anything that makes you uncomfortable due to a lack of understanding.

Everything is a ok in your own selfish little world, "life's not perfect, but from your own myopic perspective, you've been treated "very well"...so far. Who cares about those others below you on the seniority list. They only matter when you need coffee, ice and papers and when you once again are saved from yourself in the cockpit.

You should take your own advice and stop, back up and regroup. Make an effort to educate yourself before you embarrass yourself again. Good luck, you know many are rooting for you, even some of those lowly FOs you take for granted every day.

 

[el raton]

Ohgoon,
being against bringing the IBT to Flex is selfish?

Also, I happen to be in the bottom 50% of the seniority list at Flex.


You cannot deny the Teamsters have had a checkered past.

 

[dime line]

Ohgoon,
being against bringing the IBT to Flex is selfish?

Also, I happen to be in the bottom 50% of the seniority list at Flex.


You cannot deny the Teamsters have had a checkered past.

Oh and I forgot how squeaky FLOPS management is/was

 

[OHGOON]

Ohgoon,
being against bringing the IBT to Flex is selfish?

Also, I happen to be in the bottom 50% of the seniority list at Flex.


You cannot deny the Teamsters have had a checkered past.

Stop living in the past.

The Teamster Rep that you are so hung up about comes from the JFK era when Bobby Kennedy made hay prosecuting Jimmy Hoffa Sr. Them thar days are long gone and today's Teamsters are the most supervised and transparent Union in America. They have the Feds sitting in their own building in DC to make extra sure.

Look it's obvious you don't know anything factual about the Teamsters and have no first hand experience with them. Today's IBT airline division is populated by mostly ex ALPA leaders who have been there and done that... They know the score and they know your current management... You on the other hand seem to have no clue about who is really signing your meager pay check these days.

I would advise you inform yourself by engaging IBT1108 leadership directly. Ask them about your concerns and see if you don't come away with a different picture of the current Teamsters...if you're honest, you'll realize instantly that they are all dedicated volunteers trying to make our profession better. They are nothing more than your colleagues.

Time for you to put childish prejudices aside and realize where your allegiances should actually belong if you're interested at all to create a job and career you can be proud for once.

 

[OHGOON]

....oh and yes, being against something just because.....wait for it, wait for it...might negatively impact your relative position and or income opportunities vs your fellow Flops pilots is selfish.

IBT is simply a legal way to speak truth to power without risking loss of income. Being against that because it might cost you a pittance in dues money or it offends some precious ideological claptrap you can't live without...is selfish my friend because it puts your own personal needs and desires ahead of what undoubtedly will be better for all in the long run.

 

[el raton]

Stop living in the past.

The Teamster Rep that you are so hung up about comes from the JFK era when Bobby Kennedy made hay prosecuting Jimmy Hoffa Sr. Them thar days are long gone and today's Teamsters are the most supervised and transparent Union in America. They have the Feds sitting in their own building in DC to make extra sure.

Look it's obvious you don't know anything factual about the Teamsters and have no first hand experience with them. Today's IBT airline division is populated by mostly ex ALPA leaders who have been there and done that... They know the score and they know your current management... You on the other hand seem to have no clue about who is really signing your meager pay check these days.

I would advise you inform yourself by engaging IBT1108 leadership directly. Ask them about your concerns and see if you don't come away with a different picture of the current Teamsters...if you're honest, you'll realize instantly that they are all dedicated volunteers trying to make our profession better. They are nothing more than your colleagues.

Time for you to put childish prejudices aside and realize where your allegiances should actually belong if you're interested at all to create a job and career you can be proud for once.

Ok, now that you finished blowing smoke for the IBT, tell me, why is it selfish for me to oppose Flexjet organizing when we have had a good (not perfect) working relationship with our management for many years? Who exactly am I screwing in your opinion?

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

The pilots that worked for this company know what can happen without a contract. Your pilot group has a vested interest in what happens to the FO pilots. When he is done with us, FX pilots are next. And I know the teamsters are not perfect, but they are improving. For one thing they added an airline rep for the East Coast.

 

[OHGOON]

Ok, now that you finished blowing smoke for the IBT, tell me, why is it selfish for me to oppose Flexjet organizing when we have had a good (not perfect) working relationship with our management for many years? Who exactly am I screwing in your opinion?

You can't see it can you?

I'm not blowing smoke, I'm talking from experience, direct experience while all you are doing is aping other's non-factual prejudices. Please enlighten me with what your Teamster experience was....we're all waiting.

Working relationship with your management...that's the real joke. You have new management now, and you know nothing about them. Just because it's the same suit lying to you, he is now working for a new overlord. Are you really too dense to grasp the implications?

Flops guys dealt with those folks and found the Teamsters to be beneficial. You know nothing about who is really running your life but you choose to believe nothing will change as long as you keep your eyes and ears firmly shut.

You must be the guy who doesn't lock his doors in a new neighborhood despite of hearing about recent breakins until they are actually in your living room taking your sh!t....

How sad, another one who refuses to learn from other's hard won experiences.

Ohh, and btw, you're mostly screwing yourself, never mind all your colleagues.