My thoughts

[hammer2]

So if those who don't want a union are they considered blind an ignorant. There's no going forward without believing as you do is there?

You haven't changed any. I was going to say something nice because of your loss until I read this.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

Blind and ignorant? Well you said it, so yes, as a matter of fact. At the very least, you’re turning a blind eye to certain actions.

How do you feel about signing that contract last December, then learning that now, FO pilots will be sitting in your right seat – some earning thousands more than some of your current FJ pilots?

And you think that’s good thing? Wake up! Man, Uncle’s games are just getting started.

Look, I’ve heard it from several of you: Deanna’s in charge, not Uncle; and the Teamsters are the villains. Right. Got it. The only ones you’re fooling are yourselves.

 

[Cautious Belly]

re: message from our goatee wearing brethren

How do you feel about signing that contract last December, then learning that now, FO pilots will be sitting in your right seat ? some earning thousands more than some of your current FJ pilots?.

How do you feel knowing that senior FO pilots are jumping ship to join FX at the bottom of the list so they can fetch coffee and sling gear? Reminds me of something someone once said about rodents and ships.

This in-fighting is unproductive to say the least. Worry about yourselves and leave us the hell alone. We have proven time and time again that we're not interested in joining IBT. Maybe someday you'll be proven right and you can say "I told you so". Until then quit wasting bandwidth and making yourselves look pathetic.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

They are only jumping to the bottom of the list for 2 years.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

Cautious – Did I strike a nerve? That’s your best rebuttal: ‘Leave me alone’? Wake up! We all work for the same man.

Oh, and frankly, by the time we’re all ‘proven right’, it’ll be too late for all of us!

 

[luckydog]

They are only jumping to the bottom of the list for 2 years.

So you really think that after the 2 yrs are up they'll move up? That would be a great deal for them and a terrible move by mgmt.

Start the clock and we'll see in 24 months.

 

[OHGOON]

So if those who don't want a union are they considered blind an ignorant. There's no going forward without believing as you do is there?

You haven't changed any. I was going to say something nice because of your loss until I read this.

What loss? I've left the building long ago...but thanks for the thought nonetheless.

I don't want a Union either in a perfect world, but I'm in aviation where having a Union is a necessity. You're so full of conflicted ideological nonsense that I know there is no convincing you. You probably would refuse the last lifesaver tossed to you if it said TEAMSTER or ALPA on it too, but for the rest of us in the "real-world", we can't afford to be that impractical.

Now about that blind and ignorant part...there just might be hope for you yet. Many of us keep trying to help you see the light...maybe someday.

 

[OHGOON]

Cautious ? Did I strike a nerve? That?s your best rebuttal: ?Leave me alone?? Wake up! We all work for the same man.

Oh, and frankly, by the time we?re all ?proven right?, it?ll be too late for all of us!

The fact that he needs to be told that is the really frightening part... Is it really any wonder why our profession has sunk so low,when you witness this type of delusion over and over again?

You can pass on education, but you can't pass on experience...imagine how much more advanced we would all be if people wouldn't have to continuously relearn the same crap over and over again.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Let them wear 4 stripes and and everything will look fine!

 

[OHGOON]

BTW Hammer,

You can believe in church whatever you want. When it comes to Unions and specifically the Teamsters, I don't believe, I know!

I can't afford to guide my life with wishful thinking and fairy tales. Too much left up to chance that way.

 

[KiddDynomite]

WOW! The world gets more bizarre by the day especially when a man as low as Kenn Ricci can write a book titled, Management by Trust. I would like to know who the ghost writer is.

Kenny can sell ice to an Eskimo and deliver Kool Aid. He is not to be trusted. Just ask how I know. That man will drive a knife in your back in a second to make the gains he so desires.

For those of you who want to get rid of your union that will be the worst mistake of your career. Kenny is anything but trustworthy. Do not let his carefully crafted image fool you. You need that and a contract not just to be proud of but to hold that liar's feet to the fire!

 

[UncleKenn]

How did we determine which employees should be Senior Flight Officers? We couldn’t simply ask them. We were smart enough to realize no employee would deny being committed to the organization. Nor did we want to establish a “suck up to management program,” with everybody competing to flatter his boss. The fundamental goal of our organization was to build a trust environment. Someone who was committed to the organization would have to be able to trust and would have to be trusted in return. Furthermore, he would have to be able to outwardly express his commitment.

We felt that Senior Flight Officer candidates should have spent sufficient time with us to understand our culture and believe in our mission. Three years seemed long enough to fully learn our culture but short enough for someone to be able to move on if our culture was not for them. Remember: no trapped employees!

Senior Slight Officer candidates applied in writing. The act of sitting down and writing in and of itself indicated a certain commitment (this process doesn’t just happen effortlessly). More important, the letters were tremendously revealing about a candidate’s intentions and goals. To this day it astounds me to think of how much you could learn by reviewing an application. Some candidates would write a very simple, straightforward letter: “My name is _________, I have worked here for three years, and I would like to be considered for Senior Flight Officer.” You could almost tell they had a sense of entitlement and were afraid to reveal too much of their true character. Others wrote extensive letters that included their background and why they were qualified. Still others submitted elaborate, indexed presentations including summaries of their lives, what they had done for the company, and what they would do in the future. These letters invariably revealed more of the nature and spirit of the applicant. This was always the first step in proving they understood the culture of trust. Of course, if they went right into their flaws, we knew we had a winner!

 

[warlord19]

WooHooo. The IBT aparachiks can’t even wait for their traditional spring-time offensive…it seems to have begun today. OHGOON seems to be full of it, and, although apparently gone to greener pastures, his righteous indignation that someone might not believe/accept his views of the world makes him near apoplectic. And I still have a tear in my eye after learning Mr. Praetorian was once a slave, but now, thank God Almighty, he is free(due to the IBT, I guess).

I’ve stated this before and will say again, we crews meet all the time on the road. If you get the chance, ask the FO guys how they like being IBT(remember, they are the IBT). The ones I’ve met to the man(uh, person) are mostly indifferent, a couple were just plain anti, and a few think the “leaders” are a bunch of dorks. So far, thank God Almighty, I haven’t been chased by a uber IBT’er into a bathroom.

Again, I’m not totally anti-union, but there hasn’t been a credible case for us unionizing here at Flex. All the smoke-blowing, “what ifs”, and outright lies posted here make more of a case of keeping the IBT out of our lives.

And other than the condescending tone you uber IBT’ ers project to us non kool-aid drinkers, you’ve kept the conversation half-way civil.
WL

 

[Dingo221]

Take care

How did we determine which employees should be Senior Flight Officers? We couldn?t simply ask them. We were smart enough to realize no employee would deny being committed to the organization. Nor did we want to establish a ?suck up to management program,? with everybody competing to flatter his boss. The fundamental goal of our organization was to build a trust environment. Someone who was committed to the organization would have to be able to trust and would have to be trusted in return. Furthermore, he would have to be able to outwardly express his commitment.

We felt that Senior Flight Officer candidates should have spent sufficient time with us to understand our culture and believe in our mission. Three years seemed long enough to fully learn our culture but short enough for someone to be able to move on if our culture was not for them. Remember: no trapped employees!

Senior Slight Officer candidates applied in writing. The act of sitting down and writing in and of itself indicated a certain commitment (this process doesn?t just happen effortlessly). More important, the letters were tremendously revealing about a candidate?s intentions and goals. To this day it astounds me to think of how much you could learn by reviewing an application. Some candidates would write a very simple, straightforward letter: ?My name is _________, I have worked here for three years, and I would like to be considered for Senior Flight Officer.? You could almost tell they had a sense of entitlement and were afraid to reveal too much of their true character. Others wrote extensive letters that included their background and why they were qualified. Still others submitted elaborate, indexed presentations including summaries of their lives, what they had done for the company, and what they would do in the future. These letters invariably revealed more of the nature and spirit of the applicant. This was always the first step in proving they understood the culture of trust. Of course, if they went right into their flaws, we knew we had a winner!

 

[OHGOON]

WooHooo. The IBT aparachiks can?t even wait for their traditional spring-time offensive?it seems to have begun today. OHGOON seems to be full of it, and, although apparently gone to greener pastures, his righteous indignation that someone might not believe/accept his views of the world makes him near apoplectic. And I still have a tear in my eye after learning Mr. Praetorian was once a slave, but now, thank God Almighty, he is free(due to the IBT, I guess).

I?ve stated this before and will say again, we crews meet all the time on the road. If you get the chance, ask the FO guys how they like being IBT(remember, they are the IBT). The ones I?ve met to the man(uh, person) are mostly indifferent, a couple were just plain anti, and a few think the ?leaders? are a bunch of dorks. So far, thank God Almighty, I haven?t been chased by a uber IBT?er into a bathroom.

Again, I?m not totally anti-union, but there hasn?t been a credible case for us unionizing here at Flex. All the smoke-blowing, ?what ifs?, and outright lies posted here make more of a case of keeping the IBT out of our lives.

And other than the condescending tone you uber IBT? ers project to us non kool-aid drinkers, you?ve kept the conversation half-way civil.
WL

Proving Pilots are dumber than a box of rocks over and over again. You really think those FO new hires would tell you how they really feel? They could smell your ignorant prejudiced attitude before you got on the bus. Who wants to educate a convinced fool at the end of a long day?

The leaders are a bunch of dorks and you are upset you haven't been propositioned in the bathroom by any of them yet? Your homoerotic fantasies aside, is your personal social development really stuck this much in High School? Never heard an adult use "dorks" as an argument for or against anything?

I feel bad for you...:erm:

 

[hammer2]

Proving Pilots are dumber than a box of rocks over and over again. You really think those FO new hires would tell you how they really feel? They could smell your ignorant prejudiced attitude before you got on the bus. Who wants to educate a convinced fool at the end of a long day?

The leaders are a bunch of dorks and you are upset you haven't been propositioned in the bathroom by any of them yet? Your homoerotic fantasies aside, is your personal social development really stuck this much in High School? Never heard an adult use "dorks" as an argument for or against anything?

I feel bad for you...:erm:

Ohgoon, please don't apply at Flexjet! If hired, you will hate it, and I know I and many more would hate flying with you.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Hammer.. Be careful. the way the FOK(Friends Of Kenn) works you may be the one swinging the gear for GOON.

 

[hammer2]

Hammer.. Be careful. the way the FOK(Friends Of Kenn) works you may be the one swinging the gear for GOON.

KR has already played him. He's citation air.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Thanks hammer. I don't know who these guys are but I appreciate the heads up. These guys work their way in and gain your trust but when they have a chance to rat you out to promote themselves, they have no hesitation ,

 

[hammer2]

Thanks hammer. I don't know who these guys are but I appreciate the heads up. These guys work their way in and gain your trust but when they have a chance to rat you out to promote themselves, they have no hesitation ,

Understood. Remember, just because we don't want a union at Flex, we're not rats, we are your friend.