My Rant on the STUPID & SPINELESS Flight Options Management!

[fischman]

That's funny, I thought it was management that fired those people. Not the union.

 

[waka]

This message is hidden because B19 Flyer is on your ignore list.

Hey Coward, I don't know what you said but, I will assume that it is the same old trite lame brained material you have been using.
:uzi:

 

[skanza]

I have Resident Idiot 19 on ignore but, only since you quoted him;

Flight Options pilots are operating much more safely and legally than 2 years ago BECAUSE of the union. The union's safety committee has teeth, FLOPS Safety department simply kisses MS's ass.

So, do you have any data to support this claim? This is quite a bold statement to make without supporting facts...

And as far as the ignore function, you're just limiting yourself to one side of the argument. This endangers your ability have a well informed view on this or any subject (I know, just like I said in my post in the FO mechanics union thread).
The choir rarely cares about what the preacher is saying.

 

[waka]

So, do you have any data to support this claim? This is quite a bold statement to make without supporting facts...

uhm, "bold statement"? You either don't work there or, if you do, you have your head in the sand.

A. I worked there
B. Pilots don't fly broken airplanes nearly as much.
C. Pilots don't fly over duty nearly as much
D. Pilots are performing more thorough preflights
E. Pilots are helping each other perform more thorough preflights. This, in no small part, has to do with union solidarity.
F. The union's Safety Committee issues DYK's (Did You Know?) on a regular basis. These DYK's are proactive advisories on issues regarding safety and regulatory compliance. The company's safety department has been historically reactive and never issued bulletins that didn't have a pro management spin.
G. The union made sure there was union involvement in the ASAP program per FAA guidelines when management attempted to keep the union out. The union is very proactive on getting pilots to submit ASAP reports. These ASAP reports have resulted in certain intimidation program PSM's losing their positions and being placed in non-safety related duties (i.e. Aircraft Support Manager).
H. The union showed management the absurdity of the "productivity meetings" and showed them that pilots do not control their number of legs flown per day. This somewhat curbed management's on-going intimidation programs.

others, feel free to add to the list

And as far as the ignore function, you're just limiting yourself to one side of the argument. This endangers your ability have a well informed view on this or any subject (I know, just like I said in my post in the FO mechanics union thread).
The choir rarely cares about what the preacher is saying.

:laugh: I needed a minute to recover from my laughter.

That would only apply if B19 actually made cogent and sensible arguments. That would also apply if B19 actually answers your questions. If well informed views are to be had, they are most certainly not from a babbling troll like B19.

I have no trouble having an intelligent debate with someone with an opposing view. The keyword being "intelligent".

 

[netjetwife]

Well said, Waka. We don't need to read a bunch of union bashing posts to figure out what we think...

By the time the Options pilots collected enough cards during the organizing drive to call for a vote the subject had been discussed at length and each pilot had had ample time to make up his/her mind about the Union. The same can be said of those who applied to a unionized pilotgroup. Obviously, the union question was considered and found acceptable or the pilot wouldn't have applied there.

Skanza is throwing out chaff to hide his real agenda. Feel free to use the ignore function selectively to enhance your board time. That's what it's there for. If you don't like a posting style give it the boot.

 

[skanza]

uhm, "bold statement"? You either don't work there or, if you do, you have your head in the sand.

A. I worked there ...worked
B. Pilots don't fly broken airplanes nearly as much. ...data?
C. Pilots don't fly over duty nearly as much ...it's voluntary
D. Pilots are performing more thorough preflights...yeah, to disrupt trips for the union agenda under the guise of "safety"
E. Pilots are helping each other perform more thorough preflights. This, in no small part, has to do with union solidarity. see "E"
F. The union's Safety Committee issues DYK's (Did You Know?) on a regular basis. These DYK's are proactive advisories on issues regarding safety and regulatory compliance. The company's safety department has been historically reactive and never issued bulletins that didn't have a pro management spin. ...and there's no pro union spin in those DYKs, right?
G. The union made sure there was union involvement in the ASAP program per FAA guidelines when management attempted to keep the union out. The union is very proactive on getting pilots to submit ASAP reports. These ASAP reports have resulted in certain intimidation program PSM's losing their positions and being placed in non-safety related duties (i.e. Aircraft Support Manager). ...union involement is not required to effectively execute the ASAP program. Its apples and oranges. ASAP=all about safety Union=all about "pay me more for less"
H. The union showed management the absurdity of the "productivity meetings" and showed them that pilots do not control their number of legs flown per day. This somewhat curbed management's on-going intimidation programs. ...um, yes. They do. See "E" above once again

others, feel free to add to the list



:laugh: I needed a minute to recover from my laughter.

That would only apply if B19 actually made cogent and sensible arguments. That would also apply if B19 actually answers your questions. If well informed views are to be had, they are most certainly not from a babbling troll like B19. ...I think he's just standing his ground as all of you also do.

I have no trouble having an intelligent debate with someone with an opposing view. The keyword being "intelligent".

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[netjetwife]

Skanza, to better help me understand your perspective can you please tell me where you are currently employed and what your job position is?

 

[skanza]

This is fun!

Well said, Waka. We don't need to read a bunch of union bashing posts to figure out what we think... And yours aren't management bashing? Come on you can do better.

By the time the Options pilots collected enough cards during the organizing drive to call for a vote the subject had been discussed at length and each pilot had had ample time to make up his/her mind about the Union. The same can be said of those who applied to a unionized pilotgroup. Obviously, the union question was considered and found acceptable or the pilot wouldn't have applied there. Flight Options is not Netjets and won't be. You always compare them, but it doesn't fit. Get over it and worry about your own business and giving your husband airhead.

Skanza is throwing out chaff to hide his real agenda. Feel free to use the ignore function selectively to enhance your board time. That's what it's there for. If you don't like a posting style give it the boot. Or if you don't want to expand your mind on something because you don't like the content, you can ignore. Like I said, the chior never gets any information from the preacher.

I have an idea for your boot wifey...

 

[skanza]

Skanza, to better help me understand your perspective can you please tell me where you are currently employed and what your job position is?

Sure, I'll give you my name number and address while I'm at it. Rrrrriiiiight.
Go back to hiding on the internet like the rest of us.

 

[waka]

Skanza, Did yolu even work at FLOPS? I doubt it. You sound almost as dumb and ignorant as B19! Keep it up and you might catch him.

 

[netjetwife]

More chaff and disrespect.... that's why I support board members' right to use a filtering mechanism.

I provide basic information that establishes my credibility and helps readers understand my viewpoint. My husband is a pilot (6yr PIC) at NJA and is a Union volunteer. Many of the pilots who post here also give their position and say who they fly for. Those who suspiciously refuse to provide the basic information commonly shared here are the ones that are hiding...their true agenda.

Back to choosing options for the Acadia. What a difference professional compensation makes to a family's well-being and lifestyle.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I provide basic information that establishes my credibility and helps readers understand my viewpoint. My husband is a pilot (6yr PIC) at NJA and is a Union volunteer. Many of the pilots who post here also give their position and say who they fly for. Those who suspiciously refuse to provide the basic information commonly shared here are the ones that are hiding...their true agenda.

If you commonly shared your personal work information it would say you worked at [ ] and have done [ ] in the industry.

Those blanks are true, aren't they? You have no common information to share, do you? Your husband doesn't count.

Stated many times over, but never again: Over two decades in the industry, most of it in management (not now). Currently working international Part 121. Experience from puddle piston commuter to legacy, including fractional. Laid off by union activity twice. Found peace in non-union carrier.

You are missing something in your description NJW. That is the part about working in the industry. You have no experience and can't relate, yet you continued to post like you do. You wouldn't know 8900.10 if it fell out of the sky and thumped you on the head.

Your husband is a paid volunteer, thus an employee for the union while NJA pays 100% for his health, vacation, sick days and taxes while he flies a partial schedule. Union "volunteers" always milk it for all it's worth, and he's no exception.

This thread should be discussing those 70 pilots that got sucked into the abyss by the turmoil created by the union at Flight Options, it's not about you. :crying:

 

[Ultra Grump]

I keep having these lovely visions of how wonderful Flightinfo could be if you people would stop feeding the trolls. :smash:

 

[netjetwife]

This message is hidden because B19 Flyer is on your ignore list.

IF the fudspinner ever posts something genuinely supportive about the Options pilots that were fired for bogus reasons you guys that still read his posts be sure to let me know please. I'd hate to miss a miracle...

When shopping for a new family vehicle the difference between NJA professional wages and the salary of an underpaid Options pilot really stands out. I'm looking at a 2008 Acadia SLT 2. We can even afford to get some extras. If my husband worked at Options we couldn't afford a new vehicle at all. That is wrong! Professional pilots and their families should be able to buy reliable, comfortable transportation.

You guys look at what you're driving. If it's old and has lots of miles that is a very tangible snapshot of how far behind your peers you are.... You guys are gone too long to leave your wives and kids behind driving a clunker. I know from personal experience the sacrifices frac families make for the pilots to fly. Our frac families deserve decent vehicles. The kind the families of other professionals take for granted. The kind the families of managers drive. You know that management can afford to take care of their families.

The FLOPS didn't stop at short-changing pilots' families. They have now taken food off the tables of those they decided to use as pawns in their war against the Options pilots. It's disgusting! I can shop for a new vehicle but those wives have to wonder how the bills are going to be paid. Still, if I were them I'd rather be married to a pilot with guts than to a back-stabbing upper manager with no integrity.

 

[netjetwife]

Grumpy, haven't you noticed the trolls always bring their own food?
They hate truth and reality so they live on a diet of slimy FUD and thrive on garbage.

 

[fischman]

NJW,

Nothing new. He's just throwing out FUD and lies about your husband, who is an honorable man. The people who hired him should get a bonus for getting such a caring on our payroll.

He knows nothing about what you and your husband do for NetJets, and is obviously jealous of the respect you two earned at our company.

 

[brokeflyer]

If you commonly shared your personal work information it would say you worked at [ ] and have done [ ] in the industry.

Those blanks are true, aren't they? You have no common information to share, do you? Your husband doesn't count.

Stated many times over, but never again: Over two decades in the industry, most of it in management (not now). Currently working international Part 121. Experience from puddle piston commuter to legacy, including fractional. Laid off by union activity twice. Found peace in non-union carrier.

You are missing something in your description NJW. That is the part about working in the industry. You have no experience and can't relate, yet you continued to post like you do. You wouldn't know 8900.10 if it fell out of the sky and thumped you on the head.

Your husband is a paid volunteer, thus an employee for the union while NJA pays 100% for his health, vacation, sick days and taxes while he flies a partial schedule. Union "volunteers" always milk it for all it's worth, and he's no exception.

This thread should be discussing those 70 pilots that got sucked into the abyss by the turmoil created by the union at Flight Options, it's not about you. :crying:

dude....stfu already....

this forum is for fractionals.......go to the 121 thread. Im sure they'll love your useless ass their too....haha

 

[Ultra Grump]

Grumpy, haven't you noticed the trolls always bring their own food?
They hate truth and reality so they live on a diet of slimy FUD and thrive on garbage.

If you ignore it, i.e., don't discuss it at all, it will get bored and go away.

 

[fischman]

It won't go away until 1108 and FLOPS get a contract. Just like Family Guy and NetJets.

Almost as soon as we got our 2005 CBA he was gone.

 

[B19 Flyer]

When shopping for a new family vehicle the difference between NJA professional wages and the salary of an underpaid Options pilot really stands out. I'm looking at a 2008 Acadia SLT 2. We can even afford to get some extras. If my husband worked at Options we couldn't afford a new vehicle at all. That is wrong!

As the wife of a retired military pilot, your family income is only derived from NJA wages, right?

 

[gunfyter]

It won't go away until 1108 and FLOPS get a contract. Just like Family Guy and NetJets.

Almost as soon as we got our 2005 CBA he was gone.

Yeah ... but 19 almost makes me miss FamilyGuy.

 

[netjetwife]

Unfortunately, Grumpy, the flying fisch... is recalling the situation correctly. Still, for you, I will try to refrain from commenting on the slimy, reeking FUD the troll is LUG-ing onto the board. (LUG = Lies, Unfounded accusations, and Garbage)

Thanks for the recognition, Fisch. I'm glad that pilots have good SA so I don't have to worry about you guys slipping in the FUD and falling into a pile of troll dung. BTW, flying fish are awesome. We saw them in the Red Sea when we were stationed in Egypt.

We're going to visit CMH later this month and I'm looking forward to meeting NJA folks--Union and Company. I hope there's a Monday night meeting while we're there. Do y'all think I should wear my black boots so that those who post here will know me on sight...

GF, you've been out in that hot Texas sun too long today... But now that you mention it...FamilyGuy was better. At least he didn't stalk female posters.

 

[CA1900]

Yeah ... but 19 almost makes me miss FamilyGuy.

He's still reading. Say "Hi"!

FamilyGuy
Last Activity: Yesterday 23:25

 

[Fozzy]

B19,

How about you man up and tell everyone that I've got you pegged? You still refuse to answer my question about the fractional advisory board. Am I going to be the one that has to out you, or will you do it voluntarily?

Ignoring me will only make the pain worse when it comes time to name names.

I think b19 has you on ignore!:laugh:

 

[glasspilot]

This place is starting to feel like Starbucks. I don't speak the language there and I'm starting to not speak the language here.

FUD? LUG? WTF?

 

[Publishers]

Waka,

I know the history. When Raytheon basically was forced to buy it, and then got rid of Hawker and they would not take Options too, it was dead. Dead companies do the things you talk about. Whether the latest suitor can administer CPR to Options remains to be seen. It has been on life support for quite a while.

 

[netjetwife]

This place is starting to feel like Starbucks. I don't speak the language there and I'm starting to not speak the language here.

FUD? LUG? WTF?

Don't get your feathers...fur, rather...all ruffled. Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) is pushed non-stop by union busting firms like Ford and Harrison. F&H have earned their alias--Fud and Harassment. LUG is brand new. That's why I posted a key. It's essentially just another version of the typical FUD so you don't have to add it to your vocabulary. Sorry for the confusion.

The Options pilots are currently being bombarded by FUD so you might as well learn all you can about it. I also learned about FUD before I knew what it stood for. When a group is at the bargaining table they hear it a lot. And when you learn the definition you see it easily fits the situation.

 

[netjetwife]

He's still reading. Say "Hi"!

While Grumpy isn't looking I'll just peek under FG's rock....hi there.... I'm not feeding him. I'm just looking. Some trolls can be tamed you know.

But if Grumpy shows up posting a hammer I'm gonna say that you and Gunfyter started it...

 

[dime line]

With Ideas like B19 and skanza's, FLOPS will not make it. Keep your head in the sand mentality

 

[DObyDEFAULT]

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