My Rant on the STUPID & SPINELESS Flight Options Management!

[learflyer]

double post

 

[learflyer]

Does anyone (besides the posters) actually read each and every boring a$$ post in this thread line by line? You guys will do this for the rest of your careers and all of a sudden you'll have 30 years of nothing to show for it but bitterness. "The fight", "stand together", "FUD", "rising tide lifts all boats", SHEESH! No i'm not mgmt, yes I voted for the union at flops. But $hit, after several yrs of crap I'm at peace doing something else and have moved on. Just an observation. Alot of my friends including **** lost their jobs a couple weeks ago. Some of you MUST have other ideas you can do with your lives, no?

 

[netjetwife]

I'll share the info that I have to help answer LF's question. Those who are bored need not read...

Regarding my posts, my husband and I are both regularly told by pilots (who read but seldom post) that they enjoy them. (Thanks for the feedback, guys!) It sounds like they follow the posting here. I didn't ask how much they read as that is a personal choice.

LF's statement that others will only have bitterness to show for standing together and fighting back is way off-base. Things are much better at NJA now. Other frac pilots are also pleased by improvements in the industry. The Options pilots are negotiating for a badly needed contract. Their bitterness stems from management's mistreatment not their valid expectation that a rising tide would lift their boat. They've had to watch that happen over and over --twice each at NJA and CS. Didn't Flex get a raise, too? That's why they're bitter--not because they choose to fight for the industry standard. I'm glad they are. The FLOP's out of control race to the bottom has got to be stopped.

It seems LF's decision to move on from FltOps was a good one for him, but it doesn't mean that those who stayed behind could or would choose to do the same. Those who find posts "boring" can just quietly skip them. That would be a lot fairer than misapplying gloomy predictions and indirectly insulting those choosing to spend their time posting and/or reading here. As to LF's suggestion that you guys do something else with your lives career-wise, I think that's a personal decision best left to you and your family. I wish you all the best.

DL, you have my sympathy, shared disgust, and best wishes for a favorable outcome. Good Luck! NJW

 

[waka]

Does anyone (besides the posters) actually read each and every boring a$$ post in this thread line by line? You guys will do this for the rest of your careers and all of a sudden you'll have 30 years of nothing to show for it but bitterness. "The fight", "stand together", "FUD", "rising tide lifts all boats", SHEESH! No i'm not mgmt, yes I voted for the union at flops. But $hit, after several yrs of crap I'm at peace doing something else and have moved on. Just an observation. Alot of my friends including "Dimeline" lost their jobs a couple weeks ago. Some of you MUST have other ideas you can do with your lives, no?

As I told someone else....maybe it was you. Some of us choose to fight for what is right while others just lay back and take it. Sure, move on but, don't just let FLOPS management get away with anything they want. There is nothing wrong with looking to one's own future. However, that doesn't mean that you cannot participate in suing their evil asses in the mean time.

Quote for you;

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those *cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat."

Theodore Roosevelt

*underline added by me

 

[netjetwife]

Waka, excellent quote! Thanks for sharing it. Your words were good, too...

 

[learflyer]

As I told someone else....maybe it was you. Some of us choose to fight for what is right while others just lay back and take it. Sure, move on but, don't just let FLOPS management get away with anything they want. There is nothing wrong with looking to one's own future. However, that doesn't mean that you cannot participate in suing their evil asses in the mean time.

Quote for you;

*underline added by me

Sorry all. Next time I'll just turn the station. Flops drove me nuts. Sorry I took it out on my FI family! Should have worked out BEFORE I posted...:0

 

[netjetwife]

Now that's a nice post, LF! I particularly liked the phrase "FI family".
To me, being in an online community is the best part of posting here.
Regards,
NJW

 

[B19 Flyer]

Now that's a nice post, LF! I particularly liked the phrase "FI family".
To me, being in an online community is the best part of posting here.
Regards,
NJW

Thankfully that community has differing opinions.

I still wonder how fair it is that your husband (or any union "volunteer" for that matter) gets 100% of his benefits paid by NJ, yet only flies a partial schedule because he is conducting union business when he was hired as a flying pilot.

As you claim you are all about fairness in this community as you support the union way of life.

Please explain the fairness in that for Mr. Buffett?

It's funny how none of the union supporters will touch that one. I guess it hits too close to home, eh?

 

[cougar12]

Idiot!

 

[brokeflyer]

Thankfully that community has differing opinions.

I still wonder how fair it is that your husband (or any union "volunteer" for that matter) gets 100% of his benefits paid by NJ, yet only flies a partial schedule because he is conducting union business when he was hired as a flying pilot.

As you claim you are all about fairness in this community as you support the union way of life.

Please explain the fairness in that for Mr. Buffett?

It's funny how none of the union supporters will touch that one. I guess it hits too close to home, eh?

ill touch it....its because if it wasnt for the "union business" then managent types who couldnt cut it in the real world (like you) would $hit all over him. Then the only people who really suffer are his children.......who you don't care about.

this thread is now closed as well.....

cya

 

[netjetwife]

BF, I'll back you up. The reality is the majority of volunteers do the work at home on their days "off". Pilots serving on Union and/or joint committees fly full time unless they're needed at meetings in CMH. My husband's Union work has the complete support and respect of NJA. They value him as a full time instructor flying the line, but they also ask him to attend joint meetings and special projects they recruited him for. I think upper management at NJA knows better than B19 what they need to be successful, don't you guys? The FLOPS have been ruining morale and the business, but smart managers tap into the talent of the workforce and form a partnership.

For example, the Union Training Committee led the joint effort to redesign training, (much of it on their own time) saving NJA millions. Mr. Buffet should be very pleased with the work those pilots did for their regular salary. Mr. Santulli is. NJA would have had to pay a consultant firm a hefty fee but got UTC talent and experience for a song-- normal wages plus countless hours of personal/family time donated by volunteers to make training better. Union Volunteers also help out in areas like scheduling, uniforms and travel, to name a few, but still fly the line full time.

I've explained several times (give it up fudspinner, the dirt you're looking for isn't there) that NJA likes having a Steward on Duty in CMH and with their support the program was added to the contract. Those pilots are full time line pilots that pull SOD on a rotation basis. The SOD program is valued by all for the efficiency and team work it brings to operations.

NJA doesn't lose one sortie from a Union volunteer that they haven't agreed to. Furthermore, NJA sets up the joint project meetings and costs are shared with the Union so fudspinner is really reaching to make Union volunteers sound like freeloaders. RTS isn't complaining so who the hell is B19 to object? He's just a word-twisting FUD flinger trying to make the Union look bad so that the Sheeringa Gang and their despicable cohorts from F&H can go on acting like thugs while the Union supporters are distracted. Stupid idea! It just unites the pilotgroup even more.

TRUE PARTNERSHIP IS ALIVE AND WELL AT NJA BUT OVER AT FLIGHTOPS THE MORALE BEATINGS CONTINUE...

 

[B19 Flyer]

I think upper management at NJA knows better than B19 what they need to be successful, don't you guys?

There isn't a company in the world that wants a union on the property. Netjets management is forced to have a union shoved down their throat and has learned to live with it. If by some alignment of the stars unions were eliminated at all companies nationwide today, the whoops of joy of freedom to run the company the way they want to would last for weeks. The wasted money such as paying volunteers their benefits while they fly partial schedules would vanish overnight. The union boondoggles would be over.


TRUE PARTNERSHIP IS ALIVE AND WELL AT NJA BUT OVER AT FLIGHTOPS THE MORALE BEATINGS CONTINUE...

The "partnership" as you call it is forced and NJ is making the best of a situation that is forced on them.

Let's see how great this management/union partnership is at all the airlines, (NJ and fracs included) over the next couple of months and years as the purse-strings tighten up.

The fractional model relies heavily on scheduled airlines, and as the airlines cut back flight and increase cost, that will impact the bottom line just like fuel.

Fractionals are not insulated as much as the union folks like to think they are, there will be pain and then we'll see how great your "partnership" is then.

When the union at AA negotiated and gave your husband the opportunity to keep a position at Eagle, you bailed out and told the union and it's lousy CBA to shove it.

What's going to happen next time? Gonna bail out again when you don't agree with the union?

 

[B19 Flyer]

ill touch it....its because if it wasnt for the "union business" then managent types who couldnt cut it in the real world (like you) would $hit all over him. Then the only people who really suffer are his children.......who you don't care about.

this thread is now closed as well.....

cya

ROFL :laugh:

You really believe that...

 

[gunfyter]

How fair is it to Mr Buffett?

Let me count the ways...

A few hundred million $$$ fair in profits last year... and more to come.

If FLOPS wants profits in the future ... time to STOP disrespecting Pilots and play ball with the union.

 

[brokeflyer]

Let's see how great this management/union partnership is at all the airlines, (NJ and fracs included) over the next couple of months and years as the purse-strings tighten up.

The fractional model relies heavily on scheduled airlines, and as the airlines cut back flight and increase cost, that will impact the bottom line just like fuel.

Fractionals are not insulated as much as the union folks like to think they are, there will be pain and then we'll see how great your "partnership" is then.

When the union at AA negotiated and gave your husband the opportunity to keep a position at Eagle, you bailed out and told the union and it's lousy CBA to shove it.

What's going to happen next time? Gonna bail out again when you don't agree with the union?

that damn union.....your right.....im sure netjets would pay me 180k yr on their own.....

you need to come back to this planet.