My Rant on the STUPID & SPINELESS Flight Options Management!

[fischman]

Nice to see you posting, RNO... You nailed it! BTW, Fudspinner reminds me of the Wizard of Oz yelling behind the curtain, "Pay no attention to those FLOPS firing pilots!"....

We're buying a new family vehicle--thanks to a fair contract we can afford one. Do any of you guys own a Buick Enclave or a GMC Acadia? I've already starting negotiating with dealers. Imagine that! Daring to ask for a better deal... Almost as "greedy" as Options pilots expecting to be paid as professionals. Don't drool all over my post Word-twister. I'm being sarcastic.

I feel sorry for the dealer.

Not a better family vehicle out there than a Honda Odyssey. We spent way too much money on ours, but thanks to the contract and NJA's record prfits, I can afford it.

 

[fischman]

B19,

Remember what American's management did right after they got concessions from the pilots a couple of years ago? They gave each other a bonus.

 

[dime line]

B19 Is a SCAB

 

[netjetwife]

I feel sorry for the dealer. Hey, I'm polite...but well informed. I did have a dealer grumble about educated buyers... Oh well. If it didn't sell even with a Memorial Day "special deal" the price is still too high. Just like...when things at FltOps kept going south it meant that the FLOPS were doing something wrong. Those who speak up aren't at fault for pointing out the facts...

Not a better family vehicle out there than a Honda Odyssey. Thanks for the tip; I'll check it out. We spent way too much money on ours, but thanks to the contract and NJA's record prfits, I can afford it.

One of the most rewarding things about volunteering in the Union is knowing that you are helping to make a difference in the lives of the pilots and their families. I love hearing testimonials from the NJ pilots and look forward to the same from the Options group.

On the drive to the airport my husband gave me my assignment to line up a good deal. He's always left negotiations to me because I'm better at it. Do you guys think I should wear my boots when I make the rounds... Actually, I've done a lot of it in emails and on the phone so far to the frustration of the dealers-- who I informed must compete for my business.

In all seriousness, whether it's buying a big ticket item or getting a fair contract, no one else will have your best interests at heart. You have to speak up ...or you lose out. It's that simple.
Best wishes,
NJW

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

Oh, I get it. I’ve personally worked with pilot unions that make NJ look like a bunch of pansies. " Really? Oh do tell... prove it.Just like a two year old child, if the union gets what they want they will work with the company and play nice-nice. Yeah, I've seen the point where unions do as you describe. And months later I was laid off directly as a result of the exact same union when they didn't get what they wanted in negotiations. I highly doubt it.

If you’ve read my posts, and understand anything that I’ve stated, my biggest disgust for unions is that when things don’t go the way the union wants them to where it all falls apart. The more I've listened to you you start to sound more like my three year old set in her ways... my way or no way

Unions do not work well under pressure. That’s when they fail the most. When a company is critical on finances, the union is the last, not the first, to step up to the plate and offer concessions. Not this time, Bunky... time to realize this. I have been at the other end of the spectrum, so I know what it is. New times, new corporate strategy... Why is this so hard to comprehend?

I’ve seen critical safety programs watered down because unions don’t want to expose their membership to possible problems. Horse********************... pure horse********************, and now you are really stretching to find things That’s why we’ll never see cameras in the cockpit even though it is a critical item for safety. I'm sorry, but I dont buy that, CVR's and cockpit recorders arent enough? I mean for gods sake, there is absolutley no justification to add cameras.

When the union doesn’t get what they want in negotiations, they stomp their little feet like a child and threaten strike, etc. Same old same old..which part didn't you understand?? The old way is not the way, the ancient truth not literal today....

No, I get it. The question is, do you get it? I've had it for a long time, merde for brains, you have to take your blinders off and stop haitin'.

While I’m at it, did you get paid to volunteer?
That , sir, Is none of your business. However, If I were not compensated, I promise you I would do it gratis regardless because I AM VOLUNTEERING. Some people always have to have their hand out, and seems to me you may be one of them... sounds old school union-like type behavior.. doesnt it??

If you didn’t and NJW’s husband does, that proves my point that NJW has a personal agenda, that her husband is paid by the union for his "volunteerism" (I call it working for the union instead of NJ) thus she has a personal, financial interest in the success of the union. That’s the only reason she is a staunch supporter.
And this point gets you where?? Its not revelant. Why wouldnt she be a supporter? It feeds and clothes her family and keeps them secure, I wish MY wife would take such a proactive approach to our future stability. And last but not least, if he gets paid and you didn’t…. You’re a sucker…

Full stop right there, B19....Dont call me a sucker ever again... you do not know me well enough to ever insinuate calling me a sucker.. all you ended up doing was pissing me off more. And isnt that counter-productive for you, one less "sucker" to hear your brayings like a cornered mule?
This was a very concious decision both my self and my wife thought through, the timing is right for me to put my time and effort in to help my extended NJ family out there. I'll go to bed feeling good because I may make a difference in the long run.

 

[dash_trash]

...The union and management should be about to work together and make those concessions unilaterally, but it never happens that way...

True words never spoken.

At $hitfingers last gig, he got a "performance" bonus from the bankruptcy judge while pilots were being furloughed and those that remained were taking pay cuts in excess of 30% ... not to mention the loss of the pilots retirement, medical bennies, and work rules. There was no working together ... $hitfinger imposed retro-active concessions ... under the threat of liquidation. Nice "Team Work" with his "Team Members."

Your right, it never happens that way ... Management takes the Golden Parachute and leaves the rest to deal with the mess THEY created.

 

[Fozzy]

B19,

Perhaps you should disclose to FlightInfo members that you were on the advisory board of a major fractional provider. I already know which one -- care to share with the rest of the group?

"Answer the question"

 

[gunfyter]

You don't mean Darnell Martens of the Clinton Administration's TRAVELGATE scandal?

TravelGate TravelAir? Hmmmm

 

[FredGarvin]

Not a better family vehicle out there than a Honda Odyssey. We spent way too much money on ours, but thanks to the contract and NJA's record prfits, I can afford it.

Way to support stuggling union workers (and their families) by buying a non-union built car from a foreign owned company.

 

[netjetwife]

Options pilots have posted at length--every word informative and relevant--on a current subject that affects them and their families directly. Those of us who support them can post knowledgeably about the topic that indirectly affects us. B19 hijacks the thread, insulting pilots left and right and constantly trying to divert attention away from the despicable actions of the Sheeringa Gang.

Here's a test to see if B19 takes his answers (as off-topic as the questions are) and goes away. Here we go--loud and clear.

NJ PILOTS WHO SERVE THE UNION DON'T MAKE EXTRA MONEY. THE UNION GIVES THEM A STIPEND SO THAT THEY CAN BREAK EVEN. BEFORE THAT THOSE PILOTS WERE LOSING MONEY WHILE VOLUNTEERING AND BURN-OUT WAS A CONCERN.

NJASAP DIRECTORS DON'T GET THE STIPEND FROM 1108....DUH...I STOPPED COUNTING MY FAMILY'S FINANCIAL LOSS WHEN IT HIT 5K

PERSONAL TIME THAT VOLUNTEERS DONATE TO THE UNION IS NOT REIMBURSED--ONLY THE FLYING INCOME THEY MISS WHILE WORKING ON UNION AND/OR JOINT PROJECTS IN CMH. NJA VALUES INPUT FROM THE PILOTS AND HAS A FAIR SYSTEM WITH THE UNION TO COVER THE PILOTS WHO SERVE ON COMMITTEES AND ALSO FLY THE LINE

FUD-FLINGERS ARE AN INSULT TO PILOTS WHO FIGHT FOR THEIR CAREER, THEIR FAMILY, AND THEIR PEERS IN THE INDUSTRY. THOSE WHO WISH TO SHOW SUPPORT TO THE OPTIONS PILOTS CAN GIVE B19 THE BOOT AND HELP CLEAR HIS FUD OFF THIS THREAD.