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Hawkered

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Family Guy, Grizz, GV, H25B, NJA Owner and everyone else!

This vehicle of coimmunication has proved invaluable in tempering some of the hostility that resulted from our long negotiations over the last four and a half years. The time has come for me to move on and leave the pacification to other cool heads.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with the contract. Others have quoted figures such as $50k in their first job in the Midwest. They forget to tell you why they aren't there anymore? Was it the 24/7 availability? The lack of organization? The lack of maintenance and regulatory compliance?

When you come to Netjets you don't have to worry about anything but showing up to work rested, well-presented and ready to work. When you go home, its like the company doesn't exist anymore.

Many years ago TWA did a study on circadian rythms and life expectancy. To cut a long story short: short hops in a business jet are about the healthiest thing you can do in aviation. Meeting the many successful entrepreneurs and people of entertainment and politics makes the job very gratifying at times too. Better than flying that canned flight plan on the same sector for the 999th time.

Family Guy,

I have very deep respect for you! You were the only one from management to step-up to the plate and take a constant barrage of abuse from the most frustrated within the group. Your posts for the most part were very reasoned and intellectually sound. I am sorry that some of my peers were upset, but I think that it's understandable.

Netjets is still the best place to work in aviation, and now its been made a lot better by the efforts of people like Family Guy who work around the clock to come up with agreements at 1:00 am in the morning after a Friday night of negotiations.

I ask my fellow peers to temper their responses. Management was not perfect in these negotiations, but neither were we.

To all the people that posted that weren't at NJA/NJI.

Some of you had some good things to say, some of you are obviously threatened by the industry behemoth that is now NJA. The factory moves at 500 mph...move with the speed of the industry, or you will be meeting your new replacements soon!

Tough, but it happened at the major airlines with the regional jets, and the mainline pilots spent years asleep at the wheel. By then it was too late!

To those that want to come to NJA.

www.netjets.com

No, I can't recommend anyone. I don't know you and I'm not going to tell you who I am. Sorry Guys! Thanks for the PMs and I hope it all works out!

It has been a great place to work. I have found my fortunes elsewhere and can now enjoy flying with some of the finest individuals in my career. The character, flying ability, training adherence, decorum and presentation of these professionals should not be questioned by anyone. Netjets hires the best, to fly the best. If you doubt me, come on over and see for yourself!

Building clientele.

It won't be a problem. The Marquis Program is still doing well and the new airframes will start arriving in greater numbers soon. The mood of harmony and streamlining of operations, together with the elimination of waste will equate to a less frustrating owner experience as these efficiencies and team building are realized. The product is extremely good. It has very well defined value of multiple aircraft types and the ability to have customers flying on each side of the continent at the same time as owners of one share.

Sales should be concentrating on the issues of privacy. A recent Wall Street Journal article traced the registrations and golfing scores of individuals who are CEOs and Presidents of public companies to infere some kind of indiscretion or waste.

I don't know what's wrong with these journos, most of the biggest financial contracts and mergers of all time were discussed over a game of golf, but with the class envy thing going on right now, it probably created tension at the next board meeting.

This tension could have been avoided if the CEO was on one of any 500 aircraft operated by Netjets. It would be impossible to track such a story down with our interchange agreement between our 5,000+ owners.

Individually owned corporate aircraft have their place, but clearly they can be a public relations nightmare.

All the best to everyone. Blue skies and happy days ahead!

Sincerely,

Hawkered

Out!
 

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Lol!

Hawkered said:
This vehicle of coimmunication has proved invaluable in tempering some of the hostility that resulted from our long negotiations over the last four and a half years. The time has come for me to move on and leave the pacification to other cool heads.

Yes, time to go back to the IBT office and not "play" angry netjets pilot

To all the people that posted that weren't at NJA/NJI.

Some of you had some good things to say, some of you are obviously threatened by the industry behemoth that is now NJA. The factory moves at 500 mph...move with the speed of the industry, or you will be meeting your new replacements soon!

OMG... I think I just broke a rib:laugh:
...And here I always thought RAYTHEON was "the factory"...silly me! The only "behemoth" is the IBT expense account, courtesy of the netjets pilots

To those that want to come to NJA.

www.netjets.com

:laugh: Oh gahd... No more, please stop :laugh:

Sincerely,

Hawkered

Out!
As they say... "buh-bye" now...good luck screwing over the next group of pilots. :smash:
 

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lol

semperfido said:
how do you spell...DRAMATIC:pimp:
H*A*W*K*E*R*E*D* ;)

"Farewell, my fans...I'd like to thank the Academy for recognizing that bad acting really can infect the attitude of sheep...and a special goodbye to my other personalities...Sybil, NetJetsWife, OnYourSix...oh...so many little people I've forgotton...Goodbye to all...its so difficult to remember us...ooops, I mean them all...."
 

squonk

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Hawkered:

Netjets is still the best place to work in aviation, and now its been made a lot better by the efforts of people like Family Guy who work around the clock to come up with agreements at 1:00 am in the morning after a Friday night of negotiations.
This is the second time you've posted something to this effect. Was FamilyGuy a company negotiator? This seems to be what you are implying. Was he a lawyer for the NJA?

OK FamilyGuy, you seem to have been outed. Will you admit you're more than a floor walker now?
 
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Hawkered said:
Family Guy, Grizz, GV, H25B, NJA Owner and everyone else!

This vehicle of coimmunication has proved invaluable in tempering some of the hostility that resulted from our long negotiations over the last four and a half years. The time has come for me to move on and leave the pacification to other cool heads.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with the contract. Others have quoted figures such as $50k in their first job in the Midwest. They forget to tell you why they aren't there anymore? Was it the 24/7 availability? The lack of organization? The lack of maintenance and regulatory compliance?

When you come to Netjets you don't have to worry about anything but showing up to work rested, well-presented and ready to work. When you go home, its like the company doesn't exist anymore.

Many years ago TWA did a study on circadian rythms and life expectancy. To cut a long story short: short hops in a business jet are about the healthiest thing you can do in aviation. Meeting the many successful entrepreneurs and people of entertainment and politics makes the job very gratifying at times too. Better than flying that canned flight plan on the same sector for the 999th time.

Family Guy,

I have very deep respect for you! You were the only one from management to step-up to the plate and take a constant barrage of abuse from the most frustrated within the group. Your posts for the most part were very reasoned and intellectually sound. I am sorry that some of my peers were upset, but I think that it's understandable.

Netjets is still the best place to work in aviation, and now its been made a lot better by the efforts of people like Family Guy who work around the clock to come up with agreements at 1:00 am in the morning after a Friday night of negotiations.

I ask my fellow peers to temper their responses. Management was not perfect in these negotiations, but neither were we.

To all the people that posted that weren't at NJA/NJI.

Some of you had some good things to say, some of you are obviously threatened by the industry behemoth that is now NJA. The factory moves at 500 mph...move with the speed of the industry, or you will be meeting your new replacements soon!

Tough, but it happened at the major airlines with the regional jets, and the mainline pilots spent years asleep at the wheel. By then it was too late!

To those that want to come to NJA.

www.netjets.com

No, I can't recommend anyone. I don't know you and I'm not going to tell you who I am. Sorry Guys! Thanks for the PMs and I hope it all works out!

It has been a great place to work. I have found my fortunes elsewhere and can now enjoy flying with some of the finest individuals in my career. The character, flying ability, training adherence, decorum and presentation of these professionals should not be questioned by anyone. Netjets hires the best, to fly the best. If you doubt me, come on over and see for yourself!

Building clientele.

It won't be a problem. The Marquis Program is still doing well and the new airframes will start arriving in greater numbers soon. The mood of harmony and streamlining of operations, together with the elimination of waste will equate to a less frustrating owner experience as these efficiencies and team building are realized. The product is extremely good. It has very well defined value of multiple aircraft types and the ability to have customers flying on each side of the continent at the same time as owners of one share.

Sales should be concentrating on the issues of privacy. A recent Wall Street Journal article traced the registrations and golfing scores of individuals who are CEOs and Presidents of public companies to infere some kind of indiscretion or waste.

I don't know what's wrong with these journos, most of the biggest financial contracts and mergers of all time were discussed over a game of golf, but with the class envy thing going on right now, it probably created tension at the next board meeting.

This tension could have been avoided if the CEO was on one of any 500 aircraft operated by Netjets. It would be impossible to track such a story down with our interchange agreement between our 5,000+ owners.

Individually owned corporate aircraft have their place, but clearly they can be a public relations nightmare.

All the best to everyone. Blue skies and happy days ahead!

Sincerely,

Hawkered

Out!


Hawkered,


I admire your passion but you stated that Netjets is the best place to work in aviation.. I think FedEx, UPS, Southwest, and Jetblue pilots would beg to differ with you!! Either way best of luck to you I wish you well!!
 

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as214 said:
Hawkered,


I admire your passion but you stated that Netjets is the best place to work in aviation.. I think FedEx, UPS, Southwest, and Jetblue pilots would beg to differ with you!! Either way best of luck to you I wish you well!!
The phrase "To each his own" applies. I'm glad that the NetJets ordeal is coming to an end I've got some friends at NJ and oddly enough...they were never as dramatic about this as a lot of characters on this forum. Good luck to everyone and find the best place for you to work in aviation.
 

AA717driver

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Yeah, yeah. He'll be back.

I've been to Flightinfo rehab twice now and it still doesn't take. I really do try to just use the computer to surf the free porn sites but I just can't keep from coming back here.

(sound of slapping my arm to raise a vein...) :D TC
 

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Diesel is going through the 12 steps right now.

Of course i heard he was on the street looking for an internet connection and a fix. :)
 

semperfido

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.......it is oddly amusing---makes me wonder what did the last 18 or so years before FI?:)
 

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Uh-Oh...Now you did it....

as214 said:
Hawkered,
I admire your passion but you stated that Netjets is the best place to work in aviation.. I think FedEx, UPS, Southwest, and Jetblue pilots would beg to differ with you!! Either way best of luck to you I wish you well!!
OMG...None of them are IBT are they????
Imagine that! :erm:
(Be careful you might get some new cement shoes if you let that get out around here)...:nuts:
 

Pedro

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Unleaded said:
Diesel is going through the 12 steps right now.

Of course i heard he was on the street looking for an internet connection and a fix. :)
Welcome to the club man!!
 

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hawkered-

you can leave for the afternoon, but you will miss us....
and eventually you will have to come back and be sure we are still being
ridiculous in our posts.


As for Family Guy- no he was not a negotiator, no he was not a highly paid union buster (neither was BB) he is who he says he is-

a guy that works in CMH- that likes it here and wants to stay-
 

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Semperfido, I'm back

SEMPERFIDO,

I'm doing what you ask,


""""""he didn't specify net jets per se :),,,and check back when you are actually making 90k :) ...and i didn't mean the original post i made as a "cut"..i fixed said post.""""""


I'm checking back with 90K, and I hope you don't mind that I have an extra
40k for the holidays.
 

semperfido

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Stickshaker said:
SEMPERFIDO,

I'm doing what you ask,


""""""he didn't specify net jets per se :),,,and check back when you are actually making 90k :) ...and i didn't mean the original post i made as a "cut"..i fixed said post.""""""


I'm checking back with 90K, and I hope you don't mind that I have an extra
40k for the holidays.
are you kidding me?...i think it is great that you get more dinero. i am just too lazy to go back and see the entire reference and my memory aint that great. want to refresh it for me? :)
 

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G200

Gulfsteam 200,
I think you said


"Dont be over-impressed by Warren Buffett and think HIS billions are going to improve YOUR life as a pilot!!!...I have worked for bankrupt charter dump outfits that paid 2X as much....."

Well, I think my life as a pilot just improved, YOU think?
Also, do you still know any bankrupt charter dump outfits that pay 2X as much?
That would be 180K's/yr to fly the Ultra......
 
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semperfido

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sorry--wasn't me that said that. i never worked for such a place. :)
 

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Stickshaker said:
Gulfsteam 200,
I think you said


"Dont be over-impressed by Warren Buffett and think HIS billions are going to improve YOUR life as a pilot!!!...I have worked for bankrupt charter dump outfits that paid 2X as much....."

Well, I think my life as a pilot just improved, YOU think?
Also, do you still know any bankrupt charter dump outfits that pay 2X as much?
That would be 180K's/yr to fly the Ultra......


As I mentioned to you in the PM you sent me (gee thanks :( ) --

Your pilot group is the only one I know of that is giddy with a 5 yr FO at 47K and a 5 yr CAPT at 90K.

I know that seems like huge numbers to you but its still far below most corp guys. Many corp operators START PIC's at 120K min...FOs at 80K min.

I know, I know..."with perdiem i make"....:laugh: ...whatever...


really, congrats on the raise- if you feel victorious - great for you! you won!...but in my opinion you DID get your a$$es handed to you. Thats not great money buddy, in fact, its far below average....but feels huge compared to 27K I guess...thats all that matters. Maybe now you can move out of moms place and qualify for a car loan or something. Thats real progress.

You may enjoy gloating to a regional pilot but you are still far below the average corp guy. When the Cristal headache wears off you might realize this....

But really, I suppose it all depends where you CAME from huh?

congrats!....(I guess.....:rolleyes:)
 
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squonk

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G200:

really, congrats on the raise....but in my opinion you DID get your a##es handed to you. Thats not great money buddy, in fact, its far below average....but feels huge compared to 27K I guess...thats all that matters. Maybe now you can move out of moms place and qualify for a car loan or something. Its real progress
.

I'm going to have to agree with you on that. It did feel huge when it first hit the airwaves, but after the Sunday hangover, and you start to break it down, it doesn't feel so good.

My opinion is that the company is sitting back firing up the Cubans with $100 bills. Make us wait for four years, a couple or three low low ball offers then throw us a bone within 10% of what they probably would have caved in on anyway. They pay us less than 50% of what was OWED in back pay, got a 5 year (read 8-9 year ) contract, and created a monster in waiting with any new hires.

If this was a dog for them, FamilyGuy et al. would be on here screaming from the rooftops. They haven't darkened the doors of this website (I'm sure they're lurking) all week. Not even below the line.

That speaks volumes. That is what worries me with this TA.
 
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