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until the mid 70's it was still legal to shoot a mormon on site in the state of Missouri. The did however repeal that law once they discovered it was still in existance....kind of like how its still legal to hang someone for stealing a horse in Idaho....(or did they repeal that one too lately?)
Goodness... I don't know what the deal is with mormons and frisbee but I do remember some interestnig quirks of living in a Mormon town in Idaho for a year of my youth:
- Don't ever expect to run a business if you aren't a full tithe payer and otherwise "good" mormon. The community will shun you.
- Non-mormons are second-class citizens in the eyes of the community; well, not at first - they do a wonderful job of trying to evangelize and my father & the local Bishop spent much time together studying the Bible talking about the various things. I thank God today that my dad, a good Christian man, knew how to deal with them properly
- "Jack" mormons (the non-tithe payers or those who don't follow the lifestyle suggestions within a certain degree if the ideal) are third-class citizens.
I think that a lot of mormon ideals are good - they teach leading clean moral lives and try to set good examples for others... basic concepts of Christianity. I draw the line at some of their practices and "under the breath" beliefs, though. I've been told my multiple reliable sources that their beliefs about what is "pure" and "holy" (as far as people goes) trumps even hiter in terms of the 'arian' ideal (blond hair & blue eyes, fair skin is considered a 'clean' physique compared to people of other races). The fact that this was told to me, COMBINED with the racism and intolerance I saw with my own eyes (and I am a white guy) lead me to believe that they are true....
so, yeah, frisbee....
- Don't ever expect to run a business if you aren't a full tithe payer and otherwise "good" mormon. The community will shun you.
- Non-mormons are second-class citizens in the eyes of the community; well, not at first - they do a wonderful job of trying to evangelize and my father & the local Bishop spent much time together studying the Bible talking about the various things. I thank God today that my dad, a good Christian man, knew how to deal with them properly
- "Jack" mormons (the non-tithe payers or those who don't follow the lifestyle suggestions within a certain degree if the ideal) are third-class citizens.
I think that a lot of mormon ideals are good - they teach leading clean moral lives and try to set good examples for others... basic concepts of Christianity. I draw the line at some of their practices and "under the breath" beliefs, though. I've been told my multiple reliable sources that their beliefs about what is "pure" and "holy" (as far as people goes) trumps even hiter in terms of the 'arian' ideal (blond hair & blue eyes, fair skin is considered a 'clean' physique compared to people of other races). The fact that this was told to me, COMBINED with the racism and intolerance I saw with my own eyes (and I am a white guy) lead me to believe that they are true....
so, yeah, frisbee....
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I'm a 17 year-old Mormon who's been struggling with its doctrine and culture for quite a while now. Some things I've noticed:
*There is a line in the Book of Mormon that says that if the Native Americans accept the gospel, then they will become "white and delightsome." The line was changed back and forth for quite a while and now I think it reads "pure" instead of "white." I've talked to a few Mormons about this and they really believe it. They think it's literally a curse to be black.
*The "prophets" never make any prophecies, which I think is kind of funny. What's more, when everyone gets together for General Conference, the Prophet's messages aren't very deep or inspired.
*In many homes I've been in, the pictures of prophets and general authorities are prominently displayed with no sign of Jesus. Many (perhaps most) people follow these authorities with little thought. A popular phrase that was used often in my Sunday School classes was, "when the Prophet speaks, the debate is over." Die-hard obedience to the teachings of the apostles is a major tenet of the religion.
*A predominant teaching is that you're judged by your works, and that as a result of your works, you'll gain faith in Jesus Christ. People often mock the teaching of other denominations that you do good works as a result of your faith.
*If it is possible to have a true belief in God (I'm Agnostic), a lot of Mormons don't have even that. Many are preoccupied with fallacious arguments for God's existence (i.e. the Second Law of Thermodynamics, the "Natural Law," probability for conditions for life being there, etc.) which should be inconsequential if they do have that belief.
*I've been through four years of the seminary program. It leads you through the teachings of the Old and New testaments, the Book of Mormon, and the Doctrine and Covenents. However, when we were studying the OT and the NT, we only skimmed along and marked verses that support Mormon doctrine, which is always cross-referenced. The support is often quite a stretch. For example, there are some verses in Isaiah about something coming out of "the dust of the earth," which the Church links to the BoM.
*The vast majority of missionaries haven't even read the whole Bible. If they show up at your door and you wanted to debate them, most likely, if you've at least read the Bible, you'd win easily. But they don't "waste their time" with "Bible-thumpers."
*I come from a family of 10. The prophets often speak of the importance of having many children to give the "spirits in the pre-mortal existence" bodies. My mom cites this as her reason for having eight children. Birth-control is strongly discouraged and abortion is a very serious matter.
I could go on and on. I hate this religion.
*There is a line in the Book of Mormon that says that if the Native Americans accept the gospel, then they will become "white and delightsome." The line was changed back and forth for quite a while and now I think it reads "pure" instead of "white." I've talked to a few Mormons about this and they really believe it. They think it's literally a curse to be black.
*The "prophets" never make any prophecies, which I think is kind of funny. What's more, when everyone gets together for General Conference, the Prophet's messages aren't very deep or inspired.
*In many homes I've been in, the pictures of prophets and general authorities are prominently displayed with no sign of Jesus. Many (perhaps most) people follow these authorities with little thought. A popular phrase that was used often in my Sunday School classes was, "when the Prophet speaks, the debate is over." Die-hard obedience to the teachings of the apostles is a major tenet of the religion.
*A predominant teaching is that you're judged by your works, and that as a result of your works, you'll gain faith in Jesus Christ. People often mock the teaching of other denominations that you do good works as a result of your faith.
*If it is possible to have a true belief in God (I'm Agnostic), a lot of Mormons don't have even that. Many are preoccupied with fallacious arguments for God's existence (i.e. the Second Law of Thermodynamics, the "Natural Law," probability for conditions for life being there, etc.) which should be inconsequential if they do have that belief.
*I've been through four years of the seminary program. It leads you through the teachings of the Old and New testaments, the Book of Mormon, and the Doctrine and Covenents. However, when we were studying the OT and the NT, we only skimmed along and marked verses that support Mormon doctrine, which is always cross-referenced. The support is often quite a stretch. For example, there are some verses in Isaiah about something coming out of "the dust of the earth," which the Church links to the BoM.
*The vast majority of missionaries haven't even read the whole Bible. If they show up at your door and you wanted to debate them, most likely, if you've at least read the Bible, you'd win easily. But they don't "waste their time" with "Bible-thumpers."
*I come from a family of 10. The prophets often speak of the importance of having many children to give the "spirits in the pre-mortal existence" bodies. My mom cites this as her reason for having eight children. Birth-control is strongly discouraged and abortion is a very serious matter.
I could go on and on. I hate this religion.
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Hey Mogus
Your kidding right?
I have to agree that you are confused, very confused! I grew up in SLC in a LDS family. I am the Black Sheep if you will. I was a Bartender for a number of years and did many a wild and crazy non LDS kind of things. Never have I heard or seen any of what you are talking about.
This is how I look at it. Reguardless of what faith you follow it's a guide. It teachs you right from wrong and values. It teaches you to constantly strive to be a better person. It the whole do unto others thing. Do you have to be LDS or even religous to get this out of life? No. Just don't go off the deep end thinkig Mormons are wacked. H*ll you can make fun of all of them for one reason or another.
As for the Frisbee thing. I thing it's due to the fact that large familys don't have much spare cash and it's a left over from when the family was smaller and able to do more. Besides Frisbees are cheap and no one gets to upset if it gets lost.
Your kidding right?
I have to agree that you are confused, very confused! I grew up in SLC in a LDS family. I am the Black Sheep if you will. I was a Bartender for a number of years and did many a wild and crazy non LDS kind of things. Never have I heard or seen any of what you are talking about.
This is how I look at it. Reguardless of what faith you follow it's a guide. It teachs you right from wrong and values. It teaches you to constantly strive to be a better person. It the whole do unto others thing. Do you have to be LDS or even religous to get this out of life? No. Just don't go off the deep end thinkig Mormons are wacked. H*ll you can make fun of all of them for one reason or another.
As for the Frisbee thing. I thing it's due to the fact that large familys don't have much spare cash and it's a left over from when the family was smaller and able to do more. Besides Frisbees are cheap and no one gets to upset if it gets lost.
Hopefully I can keep this fairly short, because I could go all day talking about the LDS. Now I wouldn't consider myself the expert, but I have lived here (Utah) for 20 years. I've seen many friends off on missions, been to funerals, weddings, and been forced to attend church while dating (although I don't remember protesting too much at the time 
).
First, Hey Mogus
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*There is a line in the Book of Mormon that says that if the Native Americans accept the gospel, then they will become "white and delightsome." The line was changed back and forth for quite a while and now I think it reads "pure" instead of "white." I've talked to a few Mormons about this and they really believe it. They think it's literally a curse to be black.
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Your kidding right?
Now up untill the late seventies, 1977 if I'm correct, blacks were not allowed to to hold any calling. The reason I'm told is that a person of color in early times was considered evil. Is this correct?
Second,
Awhile ago in another thread, someone had said that SkyWest and Jetblue have done so well because they were started and run by LDS owners. Well I heard a joke the other day, from a member mind you, that pretty well sums it up-
A Catholic priest and a mormon bishop were camping at a lake one night. A beautiful woman washes up on the beach naked, they run up to her and see that she's only been dead for a short time. The priest looks at the bishop at says,"Well, should we screw her?". The bishop looks at him and says"Out of what?"
Now if you know any businessmen in the state that also goes to church, that's pretty funny.
What can you say about a group that can have as much fun as they do without beer OR porn! I will say that although the liquor laws here are a joke, it does make for a pretty good state. And if I don't like I can always move. Whew! I guess that's enough for now.
tinman
).First, Hey Mogus
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*There is a line in the Book of Mormon that says that if the Native Americans accept the gospel, then they will become "white and delightsome." The line was changed back and forth for quite a while and now I think it reads "pure" instead of "white." I've talked to a few Mormons about this and they really believe it. They think it's literally a curse to be black.
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Your kidding right?
Now up untill the late seventies, 1977 if I'm correct, blacks were not allowed to to hold any calling. The reason I'm told is that a person of color in early times was considered evil. Is this correct?
Second,
I would have to respectfully disagree, ATL2CDG, but that is just my opinion.
Awhile ago in another thread, someone had said that SkyWest and Jetblue have done so well because they were started and run by LDS owners. Well I heard a joke the other day, from a member mind you, that pretty well sums it up-
A Catholic priest and a mormon bishop were camping at a lake one night. A beautiful woman washes up on the beach naked, they run up to her and see that she's only been dead for a short time. The priest looks at the bishop at says,"Well, should we screw her?". The bishop looks at him and says"Out of what?"
Now if you know any businessmen in the state that also goes to church, that's pretty funny.
What can you say about a group that can have as much fun as they do without beer OR porn! I will say that although the liquor laws here are a joke, it does make for a pretty good state. And if I don't like I can always move. Whew! I guess that's enough for now.
tinman
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Back to the original point of this thread, we may have found a link here:
http://www.sltrib.com/2004/May/05152004/utah/166764.asp
http://www.sltrib.com/2004/May/05152004/utah/166764.asp
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It's laughable that some of you actually think that fun can not be had without alcohol and porn. So Mormons are boring because they are creative enough to make their own fun without being completely smashed?
Secondly, mormons don't blindly follow the prophet and his counselors. God has always had prophets on the earth to help remind the people of his commandments. In the Bible it states that God is never changing. Therefore, why would he only have prophets on the earth at certain times? A prophet is not someone to replace God it is someone to be an example and to deliver God's will to his people. That seems pretty simple to understand to me.
Lastly, a lot of the Mormon doctrines can only be understood when you understand the basic gospel of Jesus Christ. When you started flight training if someone came up to you and began to teach you about mach tuck and other advanced ideas, you wouldn't understand them. The same applies here. As you learn simple teachings you begin to understand more advanced ideas. I'm sure the idea of "special underwear" is the most foreign idea to you. That is expected. But as one learns more and more about the gospel of Jesus Christ, more understanding is added.
I won't even try to explain all the other questions people had about Mormon beliefs. What may seem foreign to you is something cherished by others.
P.S. Don't believe everything you read on these message boards posted by people that have no idea what they're talking about.
Oh yeah, I hate frisbee.
Secondly, mormons don't blindly follow the prophet and his counselors. God has always had prophets on the earth to help remind the people of his commandments. In the Bible it states that God is never changing. Therefore, why would he only have prophets on the earth at certain times? A prophet is not someone to replace God it is someone to be an example and to deliver God's will to his people. That seems pretty simple to understand to me.
Lastly, a lot of the Mormon doctrines can only be understood when you understand the basic gospel of Jesus Christ. When you started flight training if someone came up to you and began to teach you about mach tuck and other advanced ideas, you wouldn't understand them. The same applies here. As you learn simple teachings you begin to understand more advanced ideas. I'm sure the idea of "special underwear" is the most foreign idea to you. That is expected. But as one learns more and more about the gospel of Jesus Christ, more understanding is added.
I won't even try to explain all the other questions people had about Mormon beliefs. What may seem foreign to you is something cherished by others.
P.S. Don't believe everything you read on these message boards posted by people that have no idea what they're talking about.
Oh yeah, I hate frisbee.
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