More Mesa UA flying gone!

[SEVEN]

Too bad you feel that way...Then you do not deserve to be in this profession and should look for something outside of aviation given your animosity towards it and others involved.I'm sure a 4 day trip with you would be very long and stressful..Good Luck in whatever happens.

Because I refuse to work at a scumbag outfit like Mesa Airlines means I do not deserve to be in the profession. Why don't you just apply for GO--JETS then. That rational is insane. The truth is...there are many more pilots than not that would work outside of aviation as oppossed to working at a place like Mesa or G0--jets. There is a good reason for that. By the way, do you have any idea what Mesa group is about? I can't believe you are standing up for that airline. There is a reason why, when a Mesa pilot is asked who he/she works for they always look to the ground when they tell you it's Mesa. It happens over and over again. Even they know their peers don't respect them. And for good and valid reasons.

 

[climb2slow]

The reality is that many of the "Mesa Sucks" crowd probably applied at Mesa at some point in their careers! Mesa just wasn't the first to call with a job offer. That make you lucky, not better! Sorry to hear there are more pilots on the street!

Not true. When i applied and hired on at Mesa, they were one of only about two carriers that weren't some form of PFT. There was Atlantic Coast...pay for a seat. Comair...pay for the 'interview'....CoEX Pay for your airplane...yada yada. Anyhow, i got hired at Mesa, was not there any longer than was planned...and moved on. Don't assume all are the same.

 

[CX880]

Because I refuse to work at a scumbag outfit like Mesa Airlines means I do not deserve to be in the profession. Why don't you just apply for GO--JETS then. That rational is insane. The truth is...there are many more pilots than not that would work outside of aviation as oppossed to working at a place like Mesa or G0--jets. There is a good reason for that. By the way, do you have any idea what Mesa group is about? I can't believe you are standing up for that airline. There is a reason why, when a Mesa pilot is asked who he/she works for they always look to the ground when they tell you it's Mesa. It happens over and over again. Even they know their peers don't respect them. And for good and valid reasons.

Dude seriously you must be a deuche. Unless that someone ran over your mother repeatedly in the park lot, what possess a pilot to judge a fellow pilot's employment short of being a scab? Someones trash is another persons treasure. Maybe some people don't want to be stuck as 8 year FOs at eagle making 30k eventhough they really really really really really have a good contract and get to be on reserve only 17 days out of the month. That doesn't make them a bottom feeding scum, they would like to move on quickly from this doomed regional industry and are willing to sacrifice qol. I don't know that's how they sacrificed back in the day.

 

[Fltlvls]

Because I refuse to work at a scumbag outfit like Mesa Airlines means I do not deserve to be in the profession. Why don't you just apply for GO--JETS then. That rational is insane. The truth is...there are many more pilots than not that would work outside of aviation as oppossed to working at a place like Mesa or G0--jets. There is a good reason for that. By the way, do you have any idea what Mesa group is about? I can't believe you are standing up for that airline. There is a reason why, when a Mesa pilot is asked who he/she works for they always look to the ground when they tell you it's Mesa. It happens over and over again. Even they know their peers don't respect them. And for good and valid reasons.

I know Mesa very well..I was there !!!..And i would look you straight in the eye and tell you that.Did i like it ?..Yes and No..It served it's purpose..If the regionals are not suppose to be a place to retire then why all the fuss about who has the better contract and pay if you don't plan on staying there as a career..

 

[hou757]

Guys, IGNORE SEVEN... He is clueless. Pray for those who have to fly with him/her...

 

[Ameriagle]

So you are inferring that PFT built Comair and I rode the coattails? To the contrary, it was people like me that stood up and refused to go to Comair UNTIL they removed the PFT that help improve the QOL of the industry. Had people continued to fork over the $10k then Comair would have continued to gladly accept it. I don't know any other profession that requires you to pay an employer to work there. It's wrong and I refused to do it.

Had pilots refused to go to Mesa and choose to wait it out or take other postions until they could get hired by a "reputable" airline then Mesa would have either had to change or die. However, they didn't do either because they had an ample supply of SJS pilots. It's the same as a girl who marries an abusive man and looks at like an abusive husband is better than no husband.

I am highly offended that you would even compare a Comair, Eagle, ASA, etc, etc pilot to a Mesa pilot.

Comair's success in the late 90's had something to do with their ability to turn a profit (record profits, in fact). PFT was of some consequence to record profit margins at Comair during this time. A great balance sheet (and the growth that came with it) was at someone else's expense, with the help of those willing to PFT. You and I may not have paid for our training at Comair but we were apart of that growth. So yes, PFT at Comair was of some benefit to you and me and we have some responsibility in that. The reality is that PFT at Comair, and many other regionals during this time, came to an end when the regional industry had a need for 1,500+ pilots a month.


I'm offended that you are on this board claiming yourself a savior of pilots for doing exactly nothing! I don't have any particular reason to argue in favor of Mesa pilots, I'm just tired of the hypocrisy of folks like you and Seven!

 

[Ameriagle]

Not true. When i applied and hired on at Mesa, they were one of only about two carriers that weren't some form of PFT. There was Atlantic Coast...pay for a seat. Comair...pay for the 'interview'....CoEX Pay for your airplane...yada yada. Anyhow, i got hired at Mesa, was not there any longer than was planned...and moved on. Don't assume all are the same.

Umm yes....whats not true? My premise would seem to support your statement!

 

[buscap]

Giving out BJ's to supplement your piss poor income flying your POS rj is nothing to brag about skooter!

And I got your skooter hanging right here!!!

I'm right about the pay and you know it!!!!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

And I got your skooter hanging right here!!!

I'm sure you do tiny! Get your sister's head out of the way!

I'm right about the pay and you know it!!!!

Yeah, and humming a lot of johnsons for it, and you know it!
Later skooter

 

[climb2slow]

Umm yes....whats not true? My premise would seem to support your statement!

I am not sure what you were getting at, but myself and a large number of other pilots who did work for Mesa in the 90's applied there because we did not want to support the PFT mindset. I did not apply to any PFT carrier (Comair, ACA, CoEx) I did turn down a Shorts 360 in San Juan with Eagle though. Either way, not all Mesa pilots were there because they could not hire on anywhere else. And to say that pilots who chose Mesa were in come way less than their counterparts at the PFT airlines of the day is incorrect.

 

[SEVEN]

Guys, IGNORE SEVEN... He is clueless. Pray for those who have to fly with him/her...

What's to ignore? My points are valid and worth debate and discussion. If you or someone else doesn't agree with my point of view, that's okay. I will repeat myself just in case someone missed my point on the previous posts: I don't care for Mesa Airlines.

 

[Fltlvls]

What's to ignore? My points are valid and worth debate and discussion. If you or someone else doesn't agree with my point of view, that's okay. I will repeat myself just in case someone missed my point on the previous posts: I don't care for Mesa Airlines.

It has been debated and discussed thousands of times on this forum and the people who hate Mesa will always hate Mesa (fine..who cares) and that is all that needs to be said.The dead horse has been beaten beyond recognition.You made your point..You hate Mesa.. ok, fine we get it !!!move on.Your opinion will not change Mesa Airlines nor will anyone else. Opinions are like A-Holes, everyone has one and they all stink.

 

[SEVEN]

You hate Mesa.

Not true. I never stated I "hated" Mesa. I don't respect them, and I think the pilots that choose to work there are hurting the industry and the profession as a whole. The problem with beating a dead horse is the "horse" isn't dead yet. He is still kicking and fighting and trying very hard to get up. It's up to the good guys to see that the horse stays down. It's much better for everyone.

 

[Fltlvls]

Not true. I never stated I "hated" Mesa. I don't respect them, and I think the pilots that choose to work there are hurting the industry and the profession as a whole. The problem with beating a dead horse is the "horse" isn't dead yet. He is still kicking and fighting and trying very hard to get up. It's up to the good guys to see that the horse stays down. It's much better for everyone.

OK fine ..your right as always just like all the other pilots that hate ,don't respect or whatever the other terms that are used.I keep forgetting that everyone that post something about another pilot group are always the experts on that company and the employees and why they do the things they do. Just enjoy flying your little SF34.Stop stressing about a particular pilot group then your perfect little world will be fine.Well maybe not.

 

[SEVEN]

OK fine ..your right as always

Thank you. That's the smartest thing you've posted yet. You're headed in the right direction.

 

[Fltlvls]

Thank you. That's the smartest thing you've posted yet. You're headed in the right direction.

Guess you didn't find the sarcasm in that statement or you are trying to humor yourself !!

 

[crj567]

I'm sure you do me in the butt! Get your sister's head out of the way!



Gotta go-there is a board meeting over at DAL, so I'll be humming a lot of johnsons for it, and you know it!
Later skooter

Will someone please just shoot this one-trick-pony?

 

[Ameriagle]

I am not sure what you were getting at, but myself and a large number of other pilots who did work for Mesa in the 90's applied there because we did not want to support the PFT mindset. I did not apply to any PFT carrier (Comair, ACA, CoEx) I did turn down a Shorts 360 in San Juan with Eagle though. Either way, not all Mesa pilots were there because they could not hire on anywhere else. And to say that pilots who chose Mesa were in come way less than their counterparts at the PFT airlines of the day is incorrect.

I'm not sure why you are addressing your post to me. I am saying I AGREE with you, and have spent more time today than I needed to addressing the skewed logic the "Mesa Sucks" crowd uses to justify their existence. Anyway, enough time wasted......

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Will someone please just leave me alone so I can trick this pony?

You are one sick and retarded perv!

 

[av8trinabarrel]

The ones that "spoke up" did so with their feet.

Still got a few copies of my NO vote from 7 years ago. Now im gettn the boot from net jets and I would rather be living under a bridge than making OrnSTAIN another dime. Seems like yesterday that 92 folks were leaving a month. Best of luck to my friends still there!

 

[CX880]

It's up to the good guys to see that the horse stays down. It's much better for everyone.

No you're not the good guy, you're just an idiot. they've been working under a low contract which they had nothing to do with and the last TA was signed when the company was worth about 3 million dollars and they're about to liquidate anyways. You have no idea what you're talking about involving the pilots.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Mesa weeded me out of the interview process by trying to charge me a $50 application fee. That alone was enough to not apply. I was looking for a job to make money, not spend money.

 

[N813CA]

Anyone that did PFT has had the opportunity to leave that Regional. So don't bring up PFT in this conversation. If you decided not to and go to Mesa you are unemployed at a major right now or you decided not to leave.

 

[the turtle]

Not true. It's the other way around. The Mesa pilots couldn't get a job at a decent regional, applied at Mesa and were hired. No smart person would work for an airline that requires you to sleep on a board in the airplane on a CDO. That place can't get shut down quick enough. Time for bankruptcy!!!

Actually, many Mesa pilots (me included) were hired by AirMidwest. I was quite happy flying my 1900 out of a base 45 minutes drive from my home. But that was probably before you received your license. Facts usually run deeper than memory.

 

[pdub20s]

Well said...I also know many Mesa guys at JB, SWA and Airtran..Also be careful what you say once you get on a Mesa JS and don't screw it up for the rest of your company.

Nothing would please me more than to have SEVEN try and get on my jump seat

 

[go!ng for broke]

nothing would please me more than to have seven try and get on my jump seat

the jumpset company headset would fit into the ash tray...

 

[hockeypilot44]

Nothing would please me more than to have SEVEN try and get on my jump seat

How close are you to furlough?

 

[pdub20s]

How close are you to furlough?

With the 200s gone, Im toast. Just waiting for my furlough letter

 

[dojetdriver]

Still got a few copies of my NO vote from 7 years ago. Now im gettn the boot from net jets and I would rather be living under a bridge than making OrnSTAIN another dime. Seems like yesterday that 92 folks were leaving a month. Best of luck to my friends still there!

Sorry to hear that. I know guys from both my previous job and current that went to NJ That are in your shoes, sucks a$$ man.

 

[Monster Buck]

Mesa faces trouble after United ends flying pact; 50-seat RJs now a liability?
Comments 8 | Recommend 3 11/9/2009 4:13:27 PM from USA TODAY

Trouble could be looming for regional carrier Mesa Air Group following news that its contract to fly for United has been has not been renewed. The Associated Press writes Mesa "said Friday that United Airlines did not extend an agreement under which Mesa operated 26 regional jets for the larger carrier. Mesa operates the CRJ-200 aircraft under a code-sharing agreement with United. Mesa said the deadline for extending the deal had passed, and it expects to exit from the service by the end of April 2010. According to Mesa's website, it currently operates 58 regional jets and 10 turboprop planes for United under the United Express brand."
Cranky Flier author Brett Snyder has perhaps the most comprehensive post on the story, writing that United's move reflects that the market now has a glut of 50-seat regional jets operating for U.S. airlines, which had been acquiring them at a breakneck pace over the past 15 years. Now, Snyder writes, "it's just that there are too many of them out there, so they end up flying in really dumb markets where they don’t make any money. That's why airlines are racing to get rid of them as fast as they can." (See the full Cranky Flier post for more details.)
As for Mesa, AviationWeek notes besides United, Delta is also trying to scrap its regional contract with the company, though that effort is currently tied up in the court system. AviationWeekwrites that it has "also has discovered that Mesa, in a note to employees detailing the loss of the two United contracts, said it had stopped ground training while it evaluates its fleet plan and staffing requirements."
The Cranky Flier notes a second-quarter statement from Mesa in which the company warned the possible termination of the United leases constituted a severe risk. Snyder puts the language of the filing in layman's terms, writing that he thinks Mesa is saying it will be in trouble if it can’t find a new contract to operate the plans or if it cannot renegotiate other leases or raise more cash. "Things are not looking rosy for Mesa at all," Snyder concludes.
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Well maybe if Mesa was cheaper they could keep this flying. I am sure the employees could take a pay cut to keep their jobs. Mesa employees have had to do it before I am sure they could do it again.