More Hostages at AAI

[Malcolm]

gt, it is really disheartening to hear one of our own talk like you do.

After all these years of being taken advantage of, all I have to say is fu(k MANAGEMENT!! They brought this resentment and ill will on themselves and they deserve what they get. Maybe now that their bonuses are being deflated they'll be a little more receptive at the negotiating table. I'm sick and tired of being strung along while watching their bonuses get bigger every year. Fu(k them.

I'll write a checks to support the newest hostages just like I did DL, RM and the furloughees.

We're all in this together, fu(k playing fair, the gloves are off and I'm throwing haymakers.

I have nothing to add.... I just wanted to highlight the above quote in BOLD... because it needs repeating LOUDER to some of the AAI Pilots.

 

[Ty Webb]

Hey GT1900 . . . . have you ever crossed a picket line?

What would be your vote, if we took a strike vote tomorrow?

 

[gt1900]

Ty. Nope, I haven't. But, my vote would be a strike in a heartbeat! I voted down TA and I voted for ALPA.

However, the company hasn't had to string us along the last 2 years since the last TA. We did it to ourselves. The NPA was so busy fighting against themselves that the company could just sit back and laugh. You guys like to blame the company for everything. But our old union was just as much as fault. We should have been released a long time ago. But, unfortunately for us we spent the last 2 years fighting amongst ourselves while the company just sat back and watched. Now here we are 2 years later, finally negotiating again, and we are back at square 1. We are going to go through all the normal B.S. again. If you don't think that our old union takes some of the blame for this delay then I don't know what to tell you. The guys over at Alaska negotiated for 2 years. When the company started stalling the mediator threatened to realease them. Next thing you know, they had a new contract. We can't even get to the point of being released because our union was too busy hiring, firing, and calling the cops on eachother! Now that we have ALPA onboard we at least have some leadership and are making steps toward a contract. IMO I think its gonna take a strike vote and a threat of release to get a decent contract. Everytime Jetblue, Alaska, SWA, and others get a pay raise I just keep getting more expensive. If we don't get at least JB and AL wages, with a big signing bonus, I aint' voting for it. And if it comes to it, Ill buy the beer on the picket line!

 

[eaglesview]

Ty... Reading isn't really your strong point is it. I already said there was probably more to it then was stated. The assumption in the first place was that it was an AAI flight to CUN. It then came out as a flight to Mexico City. What I said was if it was legal to make the flight to CUN, then IMO it wouldn't be an issue.

Legal has nothing to do with safe. Put down the kool aid

 

[Ty Webb]

GT-1900:

Agreed. Glad to know that while we don't agree on a lot of things, we do agree on the most important stuff.

Ty. Nope, I haven't. But, my vote would be a strike in a heartbeat! I voted down TA and I voted for ALPA.

However, the company hasn't had to string us along the last 2 years since the last TA. We did it to ourselves. The NPA was so busy fighting against themselves that the company could just sit back and laugh. You guys like to blame the company for everything. But our old union was just as much as fault. We should have been released a long time ago. But, unfortunately for us we spent the last 2 years fighting amongst ourselves while the company just sat back and watched. Now here we are 2 years later, finally negotiating again, and we are back at square 1. We are going to go through all the normal B.S. again. If you don't think that our old union takes some of the blame for this delay then I don't know what to tell you. The guys over at Alaska negotiated for 2 years. When the company started stalling the mediator threatened to realease them. Next thing you know, they had a new contract. We can't even get to the point of being released because our union was too busy hiring, firing, and calling the cops on eachother! Now that we have ALPA onboard we at least have some leadership and are making steps toward a contract. IMO I think its gonna take a strike vote and a threat of release to get a decent contract. Everytime Jetblue, Alaska, SWA, and others get a pay raise I just keep getting more expensive. If we don't get at least JB and AL wages, with a big signing bonus, I aint' voting for it. And if it comes to it, Ill buy the beer on the picket line!

 

[Lear70]

Nice Avatar, Ty...

 

[Ty Webb]

You want a toe?

Nice Avatar, Ty...

You want a toe? I can get you a toe . . . . Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon... with nail polish.

 

[Colonel Savage]

That is so undude.

 

[PCL_128]

Ty. Nope, I haven't. But, my vote would be a strike in a heartbeat! I voted down TA and I voted for ALPA.

However, the company hasn't had to string us along the last 2 years since the last TA. We did it to ourselves. The NPA was so busy fighting against themselves that the company could just sit back and laugh. You guys like to blame the company for everything. But our old union was just as much as fault. We should have been released a long time ago. But, unfortunately for us we spent the last 2 years fighting amongst ourselves while the company just sat back and watched. Now here we are 2 years later, finally negotiating again, and we are back at square 1. We are going to go through all the normal B.S. again. If you don't think that our old union takes some of the blame for this delay then I don't know what to tell you. The guys over at Alaska negotiated for 2 years. When the company started stalling the mediator threatened to realease them. Next thing you know, they had a new contract. We can't even get to the point of being released because our union was too busy hiring, firing, and calling the cops on eachother! Now that we have ALPA onboard we at least have some leadership and are making steps toward a contract. IMO I think its gonna take a strike vote and a threat of release to get a decent contract. Everytime Jetblue, Alaska, SWA, and others get a pay raise I just keep getting more expensive. If we don't get at least JB and AL wages, with a big signing bonus, I aint' voting for it. And if it comes to it, Ill buy the beer on the picket line!

Wow, we actually agree!

 

[gt1900]

Wow, we actually agree!

Not exactly! I only like good beer. If you like BL or Coors Light I aint buying. However, Blue Moon, Shiner, Alaskan Amber, and Widmer Hef are all on the list. If you have class, Ill buy!

 

[ron burgundy]

Any truth to the rumor about 3 more being (possibly) suspended?

 

[Lear70]

Any truth to the rumor about 3 more being (possibly) suspended?

Yup. Our 3 MEC Officers, President Linden Hillman, VP Todd Ortscheid, and Sec/Treas Matt Helms.

They have not received their official letters yet, and with Linden and Todd on full-time buy, word is their suspensions will be held in abeyance until they return to the line. Don't know how long the suspensions were, and it's not official until the company pulls the trigger and sends the letter.

They are allegedly being suspended for authorizing pilots to wear their uniform brass for the last informational picketing in Atlanta. If so, I smell a whole series of lawsuits coming on... Time to pull the gloves off (actually it's way PAST time).

 

[Colonel Savage]

The uniform "brass" worn at the shareholder's meeting was generic. Why did they change the strategy?

 

[another cfii]

Just when you thought those geniuses in FL can't be more stupid to stir the hornet's nest, they do something like that to prove otherwise. Kinda glad i left when I had a chance, sigh...

 

[Ty Webb]

The uniform "brass" worn at the shareholder's meeting was generic. Why did they change the strategy?

Most likely, because we were at work (ATL Airport) and have an indisputable right to wear it? Also, we have a right to wear it off-campus, too, according to case law; the Union leadership just didn't want to "muddy the waters" and give the Company a "reason" to suspend 35-40 guys. At the Shareholders' Meeting, there were F/A's and Gate Agents there in uniform, go figure.

 

[FlyWolf]

All the picketing we did here at Midwest was in uniforms and brass, the only thing that we didn't have was the company ID, we picketed everywhere, HQ, MKE airport and even in front of Mr H own house, all with ALPA's blessings.

 

[T3700]

I hope the Dept of Labor is going to get involved. Only suspending union leadership for something that 150 pilots did smacks of selective enforcement. Why don't they suspend all 150 pilots?

 

[CoolSidePillow]

I remember hearing an airtran guy on the radio making fun of an ASA guy for taxiing slow a few years ago, but I'm with ya. Good luck over there.

The problem with that is the RJ puke was probably a student pilot and needed a progressive to find his way around.

 

[Lear70]

I hope the Dept of Labor is going to get involved. Only suspending union leadership for something that 150 pilots did smacks of selective enforcement. Why don't they suspend all 150 pilots?

Because it would seriously screw up operations to pull 150 pilots off the line, even 10 pilots at a time for a 1-week suspension, for the next 15 weeks would cause a problem.

Yes, the staffing is THAT tight, although it should let up some next month as block hours decrease. Heard a story today about a guy I used to fly with a Pinnacle who is an AirTran F/O - he took a flight today for double time pay. Deadhead 2 hours, fly 2 hours, deadhead 2 hours. 12 hours of flight pay equivalent for 2 hours of flying, an $800 day for him and he's home that same night.

If it weren't negotiations, I'd say go for it. As it is, I have a strong urge to call him and ask WTF but, knowing the guy, I can't say as I'm surprised, he'll never be on the union bandwagon...

Yes, discriminatory practice lawsuits are already in the wings, as are hostile work environment and several others. The DOL in both Florida and Georgia are being contacted with all the documentation as well. Have to have all your ducks in a row with the paper documentation to go with it before you pull the trigger on calling the DOL.

 

[N1VIBS]

The problem with that is the RJ puke was probably a student pilot and needed a progressive to find his way around.

Look around you sport. There are a heck of a lot of ex "RJ Pukes" at Air Tran!!