More fun with crew scheduling at Colgan Air

[Prop2Jet]

As always you all know I am just kidding around with my posts. But for real ALPA does give us some great benefits and protections outside of just a contract. Seriously, check it out. 1.95% is nothing if you need to hire a lawyer, or get medical advice etc..... That alone is great. Outside of Alpa, I would easily pay 1.95% to get such great and hope to never use benefits. Look at it that way and you will not struggle with the decision if you are on the fence.

Deep thoughts by P2J......

 

[quinnlake]

They can only bump a pax on a colgan operated flight for a must-ride. A union isn't going to change that.

Really? Name a union carrier that would not must ride a crew member on a full flight. Maybe you have it so bad that you think normal contract stipulations are unusual.

Besides all the benefits already posted in this thread, the main and strongest benefit of a union is the strength of a group vs an individual. If you think you are in a better position to negotiate with the company on you're own, you are beyond reason.

 

[Afraid to Fly]

Stop posting fake bull to try and further your unneeded union drive.

If it is truly 'unneeded' then why did YOU complain about this proposed deadhead???

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=97644


A union contract would be able to guarantee minimal pay credit, minimal amount of deadheads, etc. It would give us a defined set of work rules.

Don't contradict yourself!


And it is not fake bull. I am sure the person will post the whole story on here when he gets back to his computer.

 

[Dr King]

What?

I've bumped revenue as a deadhead on a USAir mainline and Express flight. And I work for an Express carrier.

In fact I've seen Colgan bump revenue on flights from ALB and PIT. Both pilots and FA's.

I think you're the one spouting the BS trying to kill the union drive.

That is incorrect. The only way they can must ride you on a non colgan flight is if a seat is availabe. If they do must ride you before the plane is oversold then you will bump paying passengers. On colgan flights, they can must ride you after it is full.

 

[DoinTime]

He keeping talking about the Jets and RJs we are getting soon and why we needed alpa cause of it. I kept asking if he was talking about the Qs and he would reply yes. After several attempts to explain that they (Qs) were turboprops and we where a turboprop carrier he just never got it. Think he should learn a thing or two about my company before he tries to tell me why I need a union at colgan.

Let me get this straight. You are ragging on this FedEx guy for confusing a turboprop with a turbojet when you fly a Saab and call yourself "Turbojet23"?

Thats the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me.

 

[Fred Rogers]

So for you naysayers, a few questions.

When you get called in for the CRPET 1 Arrival at the CP's office, who defends you? Who researches ways to get your ass out of trouble when you shouldn't be in it in the first place?

Who speaks for you after you're involved in an incident or accident?

Who helps you return to flight status after a disqualifying medical diagnosis?

Who helps you regain flight status after a false positive drug test?

Who defends your actions made during an in flight emergency when the feds are looking at the FDR and CVR with a microscope?

Who ensures you won't receive a violation while taxiing at LGA because you thought Miss Cleo said something else?

Who enforces your contract? Do you have a contract?

Who provides you with legal council when scheduling pushed you past 16 hours, or 30 in 7, or 100 hours / 1000 hours and you didn't catch it? (or the times weren't entered correctly in the computer).

I really can't think of any reason NOT to have ALPA on the property in the situation you're in. It certainly isn't the answer to everything, but it is an invaluable tool when you need it. At some point in your career, you WILL need it.

VERY important questions to consider if you are on the fence / against ALPA.

 

[TNHillbilly]

Let me get this straight. You are ragging on this FedEx guy for confusing a turboprop with a turbojet when you fly a Saab and call yourself "Turbojet23"?

Thats the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me.

What's the 23 for..how old he is?? Turbojet23 why don't you want ALPA? Give some reasons

 

[Turbojet23]

This is such baloney I don't know why I'm bothering to respond. But I'll bite.

You ate a free lunch on that FED EX guy's dues. HE bought your lunch. Speaking of, the naysayer crowd never mentions FED EX in their arguement against ALPA. SO naysayers.. WHAT HAS ALPA DONE FOR FED EX?? HA HA HA!! ASK a Fedex guy, (I guess one was at one of our events supporting us in our efforts to get alpa) ha ha ha.

I guess the dues thing has been covered. ALPA would be better off financially to NOT have Colgan in their ranks. Judging from all the Potbellys they have been buying in Dulles (from what I've seen) and what it costs to negotiate a contract, our dues are the last thing on their mind. I think someone quoted a number, and it's right. MILLIONS of dollars go into that sort of thing. Our pilot group will never generate that, especially considering that 1.95% of jack is JACK.

I half jokingly thanked a United pilot for the sandwich because it was his dues that bought it, and he said not to mention it, it was a worthwhile cause to RAISE THE BAR FOR EVERYONE!

In conclusion, turbojet, you strike me as tool-a-rific.

Go back to sucking up to management, see where they are for you when ALPA is on property.

I bought my own 10 dollar lunch, thank you very much. Then ate it right in-front of them.

 

[Fred Rogers]

I bought my own 10 dollar lunch, thank you very much. Then ate it right in-front of them.

well aren't you a martyr to moronism

OOH you ate it right in FRONT of them... OOOH

You need to answer the hillbilly's question

 

[Mr Wu]

I bought my own 10 dollar lunch, thank you very much. Then ate it right in-front of them.

Were you the guy that got off the Saab and claimed that you work for Air Whiskey? Then refused the lunch so you could get some of that wholesome mickey d's and when told that it didn't matter who you worked for the lunch was free so you bolted?


The opening comment of this thread is 100% correct. It happened to me at 0900 on July 16th in LGA. There were seats available, albeit in first class. I was so shocked that I couldn't even answer Joe when he said it. Just when you think the bar couldn't go any lower...

And furthermore, all you guys better look for Denyse, the express supervisor, in LGA and thank her for the great job SHE, not crew scheduling, did in finding me alternate flights that I could deadhead on. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, USAirways Express in LGA gives more of a crap about Colgan pilots than our own crew scheduling.

4 left.

 

[Fred Rogers]

Were you the guy that got off the Saab and claimed that you work for Air Whiskey? Then refused the lunch so you could get some of that wholesome mickey d's and when told that it didn't matter who you worked for the lunch was free so you bolted?


The opening comment of this thread is 100% correct. It happened to me at 0900 on July 16th in LGA. There were seats available, albeit in first class. I was so shocked that I couldn't even answer Joe when he said it. Just when you think the bar couldn't go any lower...

And furthermore, all you guys better look for Denyse, the express supervisor, in LGA and thank her for the great job SHE, not crew scheduling, did in finding me alternate flights that I could deadhead on. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, USAirways Express in LGA gives more of a crap about Colgan pilots than our own crew scheduling.

4 left.

HA! That "Air Wisconsin" guy sounds like a real winner! uke:


Denise is the BEST!!!


-Everyone Else...picking up the slack for Colgan HQ since 1965

 

[Turbojet23]

What if I said I worked for Shuttle America and was one of the ones that got stapled to the bottom of Republics seniority list even though ALPA represented us both. A lot of good that did.

 

[Fred Rogers]

What if I said I worked for Shuttle America and was one of the ones that got stapled to the bottom of Republics seniority list even though ALPA represented us both. A lot of good that did.

ALPA's Merger policy is designed to, more or less, keep them out of it.

I know it's a very touchy subject, and I don't want to ignite a fire, but what if you worked for America West? It can go both ways.

Mergers are typically ugly. I can promise though, that without representation, we WILL get stapled to the bottom IF there were ever a merger down the road.

 

[Turtlesfly]

TJ23,

but you don't. You work for &hit sandwich airlines.

 

[suupah]

What if I said I worked for Shuttle America and was one of the ones that got stapled to the bottom of Republics seniority list even though ALPA represented us both. A lot of good that did.

Then we would know you wuz lying cuz republic is teamsters. dude you are obviously out o touch!

Strong opinions with weak information is a bad combo. drink some brewski's and chickity check you facts befo you wreck yoself.

 

[Fred Rogers]

What if I said I worked for Shuttle America and was one of the ones that got stapled to the bottom of Republics seniority list even though ALPA represented us both. A lot of good that did.

PS, aren't those guys Teamsters?

 

[Fred Rogers]

Then we would know you wuz lying cuz republic is teamsters. dude you are obviously out o touch!

Strong opinions with weak information is a bad combo. drink some brewski's and join in the fun!

Dang! I am TOO SLOW!!

Another Brewski? Why yes.

 

[70-SS]

What if I said I worked for Shuttle America and was one of the ones that got stapled to the bottom of Republics seniority list even though ALPA represented us both. A lot of good that did.

ALPA does not represent either company. Your smack is as lame as the new company memo to pilots.

You can't come up a good reason why you are voting no.

 

[TNHillbilly]

Brewski please! Cheers!

 

[Mr Wu]

Hey. You guys hear the one about the Beech pilot in LEB that was checking on a flight from LEB from LGA on September 5th and the computer shows that a Saab is operating that day? Nice way to find out your base is switching. At least it's better than hearing from the rampys in BDL...

 

[suupah]

k, now that i had some brewskis i can really say how it is. How it is, is dis....

It is time that we start realizing that the industry is made up of all of us. What we do at Colgan effects the entire industry in at least a small way. this "industry" average that we hear about has us included in it. If we want to improve the industry average as a whole then we either can do our part to bump it up even a small notch or just sit here and hope everyone else puts up a good fight and we reap the benefits. And we all know the "industry average" is nowhere near commensurate to the skill level, training/education level or responsibility required of us day in and day out. No one is going to fight for us, we have to fight for ourselves.

Management's job is to give us a little as possible and have us still do the job. THAT IS THEIR JOB! Nothing personal about it. Our job is to get as much as we possibly can. Nothing personal about that either. Without ALPA it is a very assymetrical struggle between the employees and management.

Management is always always always going to try and keep any bargaining agent off property. it is a detriment to their job which is to keep us at "not a penny higher than industry average" on the hourly rate and well below average on the work rules. So far they have been winning.

I know that none of us plan on being here long and that we all want to move to the majors. BUT what happens at the regionals affects what happens at the majors. The lower the salaries and workrules are at the regionals the lower the Majors can make their's and still attract the poor regional pilots to take the seats. By allowing substandard wages and workrules we are ruining our own future.

Not that ALPA or anyone else can snap their fingers and make it all better tommorrow, but it is important that all pilots get a small hand in the fight to save our profession and our industry so that we can get what we worked so hard for and sacrificed soooooooo much more than most other professionals to get.

k time for more brewski.

late

 

[Mr Wu]

I know that none of us plan on being here long and that we all want to move to the majors.

Not picking on you here, Suupah. This is the lamest argument against ALPA that I have heard being spouted from the "soothsayers" (inside joke). What do you think these majors would be like today if they had not acted 20, 30, 40 years ago and got representation for themselves? They would suck worse than Mesa. Lorenzo and Icahn would have devastated the industry worse than they did. The guys that brought representation to the majors stood up and did the right thing for the generations that followed them, not knowing if they would have a job because of it or not. It's time for us to do the right thing now. It's not about money. Very few of the first year f/os that left did so because of money. They left because they couldn't put up with the shyte any longer. It's time to get a set of work rules that everybody knows and can grieve. Leroy will still be able to give favors but Irene won't be able to travel you on your 7th day.

Stand up and do the right thing. Leave it better than you found it. I know I am.

 

[Prop2Jet]

Captain Retardo lives on!

 

[suupah]

Captain Retardo lives on!

thanks

 

[Prop2Jet]

Retards are funny, everyone should own one.

 

[suupah]

Go eat another twinkie.

 

[rhino3040]

Ok here is a story about screw scheduling:
A few weeks ago I was supposly on a must ride from PHL on PSA. After arriving at the gate 20 min before departure, the gate agent told me that I was not listed for the flight. I immediatly called scheduling and they told me that it was pretty much my responsibilty to get home after a tdy trip. Then after a 10 minute argument they listed me as a mustride like previously agreed over a few days ago. Then after the gate agent finding the must ride reservation, got on the terminal pa and said in front of hundreds of passengers: "because of this pilot standing here, we are going to have to bump one of you off this flight.....please see me if you volunteer" And of course got the evil looks from everyone. Didn't make the flight in the cabin, but because of the PSA captain being a former colgan guy, I made the jumpseat....so if your going home from tdy, make sure your listed as a mustride before even leaving to go on the trip in the first place. Appreciated the frickin hassle scheduling.....never will answer your calls again. : )

 

[Prop2Jet]

Colgan Recruiting:

Colgan Air, the premier turbo-porn carrier on the North East, is looking for non-motivated people to assume the position of crew scheduling. An interested individual must be able to enjoy screwing other people over, make work hell and have little regard to family values, both nuclear and non-nuclear in nature. He or She must maintain a current Myspace.com account. Additionally, he or she must be cable of making last minute decisions based on very limited information in attempts to move critical persons around the entire country for no reason at all. The applicant must also be able call employees on their days off, in the wee hours of the morning repeatedly, and not care. He or she will also be highly capable of being not capable at all in handling matters such as hotel reservations, transportation issues and money issues.

The Colgan family will entertain your resume' only if you fear larger breed people, cave under internal pressure and have a moral compass which is not able to find any direction on the map of humanity.

For interested people, please send your application to 1-800-MNZ-SUCKS.

From the entire family here at Colgan Air, we look forward to having you on board this collective effort to ruin other peoples lives!

 

[better up here]

Well captain b sent me a letter 2 days ago and said it's not in my or the company's interest to give the pilots representation. So I guess I vote no on the 31st?

 

[DX Rick]

1.95% percent of our salaries won't even cover the lawyers.

And that why they will tell you they need money out of pocket for lawyers. They did it to a friend of mine at Mesa.
"Well you see, these types of fee's aren't covered by your dues. We're going to need $2,500 up front"