More fun with crew scheduling at Colgan Air

[Prop2Jet]

you anti-union people can suck my BLEEP. So what 1.95%. Since you make soooo much anyhow that must be a lot of of money. How much for a laywer when you need one? Or how about medical defense, or cheaper insurance or ... the list goes on. If you are anti-union at Colgan you are probably new and drank the blue water.

GOT SOME NEWS FOR YOU ANTI-ALPA PEOPLE! MY VOTE MEANS I WIN IN THIS DEBATE AND YES I DO CONTROL YOUR PAY NOW!!!! THANKS FOR 1.95% CONCESSION THAT WAS EASY. HAHAHAHAH TOUGH GOING GIRLS

 

[Turtlesfly]

ASAP alone is worth your money

Unless you Colgan pilots don't think you'll ever make a mistake

 

[70-SS]

Unless you Colgan pilots don't think you'll ever make a mistake

Might be some truth there.

 

[pilotdiscretion]

The one benefit to ALPA I haven't seen listed here is the safety and accident investigation department.

As a new member to the Pinnacle family you can expect operational error, accidents and incidents to rise as fast as corporate profits. Your gonna need someone in your corner when the finger pointing starts.

 

[70-SS]

How many of you anti-ALPA Colganites have actually worked for a union carrier before?

None!!!!!!!! And that's the problem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Fred Rogers]

Basically the "they ain't gettn my money" argument is from people who want something for nothing.

COULD NOT HAVE SAID IT BETTER

 

[Fred Rogers]

By the way who was that FEDEX MEC? the other day trying to sell alpa at the "food paid by other pilots" meeting in LGA?

He keeping talking about the Jets and RJs we are getting soon and why we needed alpa cause of it. I kept asking if he was talking about the Qs and he would reply yes. After several attempts to explain that they (Qs) were turboprops and we where a turboprop carrier he just never got it. Think he should learn a thing or two about my company before he tries to tell me why I need a union at colgan.

They just want your dues.

This is such baloney I don't know why I'm bothering to respond. But I'll bite.

You ate a free lunch on that FED EX guy's dues. HE bought your lunch. Speaking of, the naysayer crowd never mentions FED EX in their arguement against ALPA. SO naysayers.. WHAT HAS ALPA DONE FOR FED EX?? HA HA HA!! ASK a Fedex guy, (I guess one was at one of our events supporting us in our efforts to get alpa) ha ha ha.

I guess the dues thing has been covered. ALPA would be better off financially to NOT have Colgan in their ranks. Judging from all the Potbellys they have been buying in Dulles (from what I've seen) and what it costs to negotiate a contract, our dues are the last thing on their mind. I think someone quoted a number, and it's right. MILLIONS of dollars go into that sort of thing. Our pilot group will never generate that, especially considering that 1.95% of jack is JACK.

I half jokingly thanked a United pilot for the sandwich because it was his dues that bought it, and he said not to mention it, it was a worthwhile cause to RAISE THE BAR FOR EVERYONE!

In conclusion, turbojet, you strike me as tool-a-rific.

Go back to sucking up to management, see where they are for you when ALPA is on property.

 

[Fred Rogers]

1.95% is pretty damn cheap when you consider what you get from National:

ALPA Legal Services
ALPA Aeromedical (saved my ass already)
Loss-of-License Insurance
ASAP (if you don't have it already)
A legally-binding, negotiated CBA

Ultimately though, ALPA and its success or failure at Colgan will be 100% attributable to the unity, effort, sacrifice and hard work of the pilot group and the volunteers that step up into leadership roles.

This is SOOOO true!

 

[70-SS]

I half jokingly thanked a United pilot for the sandwich because it was his dues that bought it, and he said not to mention it, it was a worthwhile cause to RAISE THE BAR FOR EVERYONE!

In conclusion, turbojet, you strike me as tool-a-rific.

Go back to sucking up to management, see where they are for you when ALPA is on property.

Good point. The precedent we set at Colgan goes a long way.

 

[OPECJet]

So for you naysayers, a few questions.

When you get called in for the CRPET 1 Arrival at the CP's office, who defends you? Who researches ways to get your ass out of trouble when you shouldn't be in it in the first place?

Who speaks for you after you're involved in an incident or accident?

Who helps you return to flight status after a disqualifying medical diagnosis?

Who helps you regain flight status after a false positive drug test?

Who defends your actions made during an in flight emergency when the feds are looking at the FDR and CVR with a microscope?

Who ensures you won't receive a violation while taxiing at LGA because you thought Miss Cleo said something else?

Who enforces your contract? Do you have a contract?

Who provides you with legal council when scheduling pushed you past 16 hours, or 30 in 7, or 100 hours / 1000 hours and you didn't catch it? (or the times weren't entered correctly in the computer).

I really can't think of any reason NOT to have ALPA on the property in the situation you're in. It certainly isn't the answer to everything, but it is an invaluable tool when you need it. At some point in your career, you WILL need it.

 

[Prop2Jet]

As always you all know I am just kidding around with my posts. But for real ALPA does give us some great benefits and protections outside of just a contract. Seriously, check it out. 1.95% is nothing if you need to hire a lawyer, or get medical advice etc..... That alone is great. Outside of Alpa, I would easily pay 1.95% to get such great and hope to never use benefits. Look at it that way and you will not struggle with the decision if you are on the fence.

Deep thoughts by P2J......

 

[quinnlake]

They can only bump a pax on a colgan operated flight for a must-ride. A union isn't going to change that.

Really? Name a union carrier that would not must ride a crew member on a full flight. Maybe you have it so bad that you think normal contract stipulations are unusual.

Besides all the benefits already posted in this thread, the main and strongest benefit of a union is the strength of a group vs an individual. If you think you are in a better position to negotiate with the company on you're own, you are beyond reason.

 

[Afraid to Fly]

Stop posting fake bull to try and further your unneeded union drive.

If it is truly 'unneeded' then why did YOU complain about this proposed deadhead???

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=97644


A union contract would be able to guarantee minimal pay credit, minimal amount of deadheads, etc. It would give us a defined set of work rules.

Don't contradict yourself!


And it is not fake bull. I am sure the person will post the whole story on here when he gets back to his computer.

 

[Dr King]

What?

I've bumped revenue as a deadhead on a USAir mainline and Express flight. And I work for an Express carrier.

In fact I've seen Colgan bump revenue on flights from ALB and PIT. Both pilots and FA's.

I think you're the one spouting the BS trying to kill the union drive.

That is incorrect. The only way they can must ride you on a non colgan flight is if a seat is availabe. If they do must ride you before the plane is oversold then you will bump paying passengers. On colgan flights, they can must ride you after it is full.

 

[DoinTime]

He keeping talking about the Jets and RJs we are getting soon and why we needed alpa cause of it. I kept asking if he was talking about the Qs and he would reply yes. After several attempts to explain that they (Qs) were turboprops and we where a turboprop carrier he just never got it. Think he should learn a thing or two about my company before he tries to tell me why I need a union at colgan.

Let me get this straight. You are ragging on this FedEx guy for confusing a turboprop with a turbojet when you fly a Saab and call yourself "Turbojet23"?

Thats the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me.

 

[Fred Rogers]

So for you naysayers, a few questions.

When you get called in for the CRPET 1 Arrival at the CP's office, who defends you? Who researches ways to get your ass out of trouble when you shouldn't be in it in the first place?

Who speaks for you after you're involved in an incident or accident?

Who helps you return to flight status after a disqualifying medical diagnosis?

Who helps you regain flight status after a false positive drug test?

Who defends your actions made during an in flight emergency when the feds are looking at the FDR and CVR with a microscope?

Who ensures you won't receive a violation while taxiing at LGA because you thought Miss Cleo said something else?

Who enforces your contract? Do you have a contract?

Who provides you with legal council when scheduling pushed you past 16 hours, or 30 in 7, or 100 hours / 1000 hours and you didn't catch it? (or the times weren't entered correctly in the computer).

I really can't think of any reason NOT to have ALPA on the property in the situation you're in. It certainly isn't the answer to everything, but it is an invaluable tool when you need it. At some point in your career, you WILL need it.

VERY important questions to consider if you are on the fence / against ALPA.

 

[TNHillbilly]

Let me get this straight. You are ragging on this FedEx guy for confusing a turboprop with a turbojet when you fly a Saab and call yourself "Turbojet23"?

Thats the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me.

What's the 23 for..how old he is?? Turbojet23 why don't you want ALPA? Give some reasons

 

[Turbojet23]

This is such baloney I don't know why I'm bothering to respond. But I'll bite.

You ate a free lunch on that FED EX guy's dues. HE bought your lunch. Speaking of, the naysayer crowd never mentions FED EX in their arguement against ALPA. SO naysayers.. WHAT HAS ALPA DONE FOR FED EX?? HA HA HA!! ASK a Fedex guy, (I guess one was at one of our events supporting us in our efforts to get alpa) ha ha ha.

I guess the dues thing has been covered. ALPA would be better off financially to NOT have Colgan in their ranks. Judging from all the Potbellys they have been buying in Dulles (from what I've seen) and what it costs to negotiate a contract, our dues are the last thing on their mind. I think someone quoted a number, and it's right. MILLIONS of dollars go into that sort of thing. Our pilot group will never generate that, especially considering that 1.95% of jack is JACK.

I half jokingly thanked a United pilot for the sandwich because it was his dues that bought it, and he said not to mention it, it was a worthwhile cause to RAISE THE BAR FOR EVERYONE!

In conclusion, turbojet, you strike me as tool-a-rific.

Go back to sucking up to management, see where they are for you when ALPA is on property.

I bought my own 10 dollar lunch, thank you very much. Then ate it right in-front of them.

 

[Fred Rogers]

I bought my own 10 dollar lunch, thank you very much. Then ate it right in-front of them.

well aren't you a martyr to moronism

OOH you ate it right in FRONT of them... OOOH

You need to answer the hillbilly's question

 

[Mr Wu]

I bought my own 10 dollar lunch, thank you very much. Then ate it right in-front of them.

Were you the guy that got off the Saab and claimed that you work for Air Whiskey? Then refused the lunch so you could get some of that wholesome mickey d's and when told that it didn't matter who you worked for the lunch was free so you bolted?


The opening comment of this thread is 100% correct. It happened to me at 0900 on July 16th in LGA. There were seats available, albeit in first class. I was so shocked that I couldn't even answer Joe when he said it. Just when you think the bar couldn't go any lower...

And furthermore, all you guys better look for Denyse, the express supervisor, in LGA and thank her for the great job SHE, not crew scheduling, did in finding me alternate flights that I could deadhead on. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, USAirways Express in LGA gives more of a crap about Colgan pilots than our own crew scheduling.

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