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So buy new planes just to sell airline????


INDIANAPOLIS--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Republic Airways Holdings Inc. (NASDAQ:RJET - News) today announced it has confirmed its order with Airbus to purchase 60 A320neo (New Engine Option) and 20 A319neo aircraft. Republic had signed a letter of intent for the purchase in mid-June.


The aircraft, which will be powered by CFM’s LEAP-X engines, will be flown by Republic’s Frontier Airlines subsidiary. Frontier currently operates 59 Airbus A318, A319 and A320 aircraft.


“This order is a confirmation of our confidence that Airbus and the NEO aircraft will be significant contributors to the future growth of Frontier Airlines,” said Bryan Bedford, chairman, president and CEO of Republic Airways. “We see high fuel prices continuing, and these state-of-the-art, fuel-efficient aircraft will be a major factor in Frontier maintaining its position as an industry cost leader. They will allow Frontier to continue to offer travelers low fares despite persistently high fuel prices.”


“The neo is already proving to be the single-aisle aircraft for our industry’s future, and with this order, Republic has demonstrated its position as a forward-thinking organization that puts its passengers at the front of its buying criteria,” said John Leahy, Airbus Chief Operating Officer. “Frontier joins a growing list of U.S. airlines that will soon experience the tangible benefits of the neo.”


Frontier flies to more than 75 destinations in the United States, Mexico and Costa Rica from its hubs at Denver International Airport, Milwaukee’s General Mitchell International Airport and Kansas City International Airport.
 
Could be a tactic to improve the chances of someone buying them. All those orders could be attractive to somebody.



SLC
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The Frontier employees took it up the butt in order to "Save the Animals" and this is the thanks they get?

Thanks Brian!
Gup
 
jetBlue...
 
Fubijaakr said:
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Dunno bout that. F9 is unprofitable and head to head with unical and luv in DEN. What does B6 have to gain by that other than a big headache dealing with FAPA? It would greatly increase their domestic route structure, which is severely lacking, but at what cost? Plus it would take some major tweaking b/c of what I said before, F9 is not profitable.
 
A F9 purchase would allow JB to unload its E190 and get back to a single fleet type over time....plus grow.
 
There you go.
 
CapnVegetto said:
Dunno bout that. F9 is unprofitable and head to head with unical and luv in DEN. What does B6 have to gain by that other than a big headache dealing with FAPA? It would greatly increase their domestic route structure, which is severely lacking, but at what cost? Plus it would take some major tweaking b/c of what I said before, F9 is not profitable.
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B6 Won't have to deal with FAPA. The F9 pilots are part of the RAH pilot group now. The F9 pilots will not go with the planes. The F9 assests will be sold off, BB will take his millions and run. Thanks to the 7 year fence that the F9 pilots fought so hard for they will all be out of a job for about 6 more years. BB and Co. just spent a couple years haveing the RAH pilot group pay for his F9 purchase. Now he will sell everything and furlough hundreds. Makeing tens of millions in the process. Gotta love the airline industry huh.
 
Its Frank Lorenzo all over again.
 
hoover84 said:
A F9 purchase would allow JB to unload its E190 and get back to a single fleet type over time....plus grow.
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So what would they do with the 30 something e190's they have now? Junk 'em? What about the ones F9 has? Seems like a hell of a waste of money.
 
$$$4nothin said:
B6 Won't have to deal with FAPA. The F9 pilots are part of the RAH pilot group now. The F9 pilots will not go with the planes. The F9 assests will be sold off, BB will take his millions and run. Thanks to the 7 year fence that the F9 pilots fought so hard for they will all be out of a job for about 6 more years. BB and Co. just spent a couple years haveing the RAH pilot group pay for his F9 purchase. Now he will sell everything and furlough hundreds. Makeing tens of millions in the process. Gotta love the airline industry huh.
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Doubt that will happen. Lots of lawsuits would come from that. Dont know how he'd get away with that.
 
Are you kidding? How did he get away with doing it to the Midwest Express pilots?
 
F9 is done! Put a fork in it... Another one bites the dust. We need a national seniority list now!!! Get a date of hire and transfer your skills to another job.
 
Fubijaakr said:
Are you kidding? How did he get away with doing it to the Midwest Express pilots?
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He screwed them, sure, but he kept the employees, albeit with a massive screwjob.

I just don't buy an asset swipe. No way. Let's say B6 bought F9 tomorrow and dumped all the pilots. What would all those assets do other than sit around and do nothing? Somebody has to fly those busses.

Worst case scenario would be a Mesa/Freedom type deal where B6 would paint the planes, open a DEN B6 base, and transfer flying to the B6 certificate. Don't believe that would happen though, especially with B6 having no union and F9 with the teamsters. There would be a nasty damn battle over the seniority list, which B6 management does not want.

I just think that B6 won't be the buyer in a M&A, they'll be the buyee. AA or WN are the two most likely candidates IMO. I just don't see F9 happening.

Just think also, what was the last flightinfo rumor that came true? They usuallly don't.
 
would take some major tweaking b/c of what I said before, F9 is not profitable
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Don't tell that to a F9 guy. They are profitable remember, it is all the credit card company's fault.
 
St. Nic said:
F9 is done! Put a fork in it... Another one bites the dust. We need a national seniority list now!!! Get a date of hire and transfer your skills to another job.
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Amen to that! Now how the heck can that be done? Seniority is great until you have to go back down to the bottom again- :eek:
 
CapnVegetto said:
So what would they do with the 30 something e190's they have now? Junk 'em? What about the ones F9 has? Seems like a hell of a waste of money.
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RAH keeps their 190's.....15 jetBlue E190[s and cash should be about the right price. The remaining A/C will phased out over 24 months to various airlines..just a guess
 
Whatever happens I can't see SW being interested in anything other than east coast slots and gates in DEN and possibly MKE. Right now they have their hands full with the integration of AT and aircraft replacement. I can't imagine they would want to deal with another merger/aquisition involving unionized employees and a third aircraft type. Given the aircraft replacement requirements at SW (older 737's and 717's eventually about 250 airplanes) it will take all of their deliveries for years just to do this. Even if they got more opportunities in Denver or wherever I'm not sure where they would find the 737's to take advantage of those opportunities and expand.

Maybe Frontier would be a good mate for JB or VA. It would give them a MKE hub and access to the Chicago market and they could move the Denver hub somewhere else because I don't think anybody wants to fight SW and UAL in Denver. Whatever happens, I hope the Frontier employees come out OK, this industry has destroyed way too many jobs already we don't need more.
 
CapnVegetto said:
I just don't buy an asset swipe. No way. Let's say B6 bought F9 tomorrow and dumped all the pilots. What would all those assets do other than sit around and do nothing? Somebody has to fly those busses.

Worst case scenario would be a Mesa/Freedom type deal where B6 would paint the planes, open a DEN B6 base, and transfer flying to the B6 certificate. Don't believe that would happen though, especially with B6 having no union and F9 with the teamsters. There would be a nasty damn battle over the seniority list, which B6 management does not want.
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Your theory and scenario are both plausible. F9 could be operated stand alone and the assets tranferred to B6 as the E190s are phased out. As the planes depart, the F9 pilots get furloughed and offered preferential interviews at B6.

Look what's going on at LCC. You don't think Doug Parker is smiling because the SLI fight has given LCC East pilots the longest self-imposed B-scale in airline history? He's laughing all the way to the bank.

You don't think Barger wouldn't be just as happy to run the F9 system on RAH wages until the last 'bus is transferred to the B6 certificate?

Really?
 
Sell the Airbus fleet(Frontier) to B6 and republic signs a long term deal to fly E190's for jet blue. You heard it hear first.
 
Sell the Airbus fleet(Frontier) to B6 and republic signs a long term deal to fly E190's for jet blue. You heard it hear first.
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What about lifetime DEN base rights and lifetime furlough pay for the F9 guys. :bomb:
 

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