More Competition in Milwaukee for Midwest

[CitationLover]

Northwest doesn't have 717s. Northwest put in 47% of the money to allow the TPG to purchase Midwest and then take it Private. Northwest doesn't own Midwest, so Northwest doesn't have 717s. Citation, you are HOPING Northwest and Delta will merge so you will get your shot at the big boys because you can't get there any other way. I personally don't hate TH. I don't know the man and don't have a reason to hate him. I don't dislike or have bad feelings toward Midwest either. I posted the articles that were written regarding this transaction and that was all I did because it was news and many pilots at AirTran and Midwest were interested in the information. This transaction could have affected us all. AirTran is still growing and tweeking their business and so is Midwest. Good and let it be that.

Citation your constant jumping around on this board and attacking people because they have an opinion is getting old. If you want to go work for Delta or Northwest or AirTran, they are all hiring. I'm sure you are more than welcome to apply. Now that the deal is done, that chapter for AirTran and Midwest are done, for now. Now they will spend the rest of 2008 competeing head to head in MKE. What AirTran is doing in MKE, is similar to what Southwest is doing in Denver. Citation think of it like this: Southwest and AirTran are like a Great White SHARK and a Mako SHARK respectively. One is bigger than the other but both are mean preditors. They see wounded bloody seals swimming in the water. Hmmm....says the sharks, theres my SUMMER dinner. Citation, you better hope consolidation kicks off soon, because that may be the only bait that distracts these SHARKS! Best of luck to you......CITATION!

I am not attacking anyone, again you're the one who keeps bringing up these stories and starting these threads. And I guess you saying I'm secretly hoping for a merger as "my only way" isn't an ad hominem attack?

If you want to think of Air Tran as a "mako" shark, fine. Good luck. Don't block the alleyway in MKE. Get industry leading 717 rates so we can point out to our management what our direct competition is doing in our 2008 contract year!

 

[FlyWolf]

I for one hope the MEH pilots find themselves at NWA or the combined NWA/Delta.
I wish that AAI had been able to buy you guys but I think AAI will do ok without you. I think our management made it very clear that MKE was part of our growth plan and with recent announcements , everyone can see that we are continuing to implement these plans.
Hopefully you MEH guys will be OK.

Thanks SkifishFly

Its refreshing to read a positive post from an Airtran guy.

 

[CitationLover]

Flywolf,

You at Mitchell today? Any flyers put up in the crewroom or anything regarding the big announcement today? I am off for a couple of days and hope to avoid being called on super bowl sunday.

 

[hyperboy]

SWA and Air Tran?

Please don't compare Air Tran to SWA,I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Your ego is huge man. Let it go...if it would not have been for Air Tran's name Value Jet would have sunk long ago, I'm just saying!

 

[FlyWolf]

Flywolf,

You at Mitchell today? Any flyers put up in the crewroom or anything regarding the big announcement today? I am off for a couple of days and hope to avoid being called on super bowl sunday.

No CL, I am also off for few days, just finished a 4 day.

I see quite a few reserve on the 3rd. Hope you don't end up flying.

I think we are going to see some exciting times ahead, with them looking at Internet access and a $4 Mil new FOS system it seem like TPG want even better services from the best care in the air.

I hope NWA fuel and insurance rates help us save some money.

 

[hyperboy]

Poolie

Can't wait to jump out of the Pool and into class!

 

[gt1900]

Hyperboy.... Actually that wasn't a bad comparison between AAI and SWA. AirTran had a tough start, they got a lot of bad press for something that wasn't completly their fault (Shipping company was supposed to send empty oxygen generators, needless to say they weren't empty). AAI is kinda like the kid that got beat up occasionally on the streets, and then figgured out how to fight. Those but kickings only made him stronger, and now you don't screw with him.. Losing out of MEH will only make AAI more determined. You may not like AAI, and thats perfectly OK. But, AAI is very lean and they are looking to grow. AAI is one of the best, if not the best airline there is when it comes to controlling their growth, if AAI says they can grow 10% in 2008, it probably means they can grow 12%. If this growth works out in MKE, you can bet there will be more gates, and more flights to more cities.

 

[hyperboy]

Nothin but love

I have no problems at AAI. In fact I have many great friends that are over at AAI and when they got hired I was so happy and excited for them. They did the same when I got hired at MEH! Others seem to love destroying the sails of another boat.

 

[CitationLover]

I hope NWA fuel and insurance rates help us save some money.

that "6 letters:nuts:" can get for us later in the year!

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Please don't compare Air Tran to SWA,I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Your ego is huge man. Let it go...if it would not have been for Air Tran's name Value Jet would have sunk long ago, I'm just saying!

Yea, please don't compare Airtran to luv . Your arrogance amazes me. oh yea just saying!

 

[CitationLover]

Yea, please don't compare Airtran to luv . Your arrogance amazes me. oh yea just saying!

ridethelighting you more than anyone can understand hyperboy's desire to leave JO.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

what does that have to do with Airtran and LUV? We offer a good product. There is no reason to slam us like that.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Even CL can do better than that. If you think otherwise on this topic, go for it, we'd love to hear it. Making posts that make myself wonder if you're mentally fit for a medical really doesn't do much here. So how's it going to go IRBS?

You can say all you want that you wish the best for all MEH employees blah blah blah but its very evident in your posts that you would love to see the demise of Midex. It appears that would give a huge stroke to your ego just so you could say I told you so. With your insights into business you should really be making millions in the stock market. I don't need to go into lengths about whats going to happen because I don't know. I agree with some of the posts on here so I feel its redundant to repeat what others are saying which others do frequently and quite frankly hurts my eyes.

As far as being medically fit to fly, well you got me there. Of course John Travolta holds a medical and he is open about his beliefs of evil Lord Xenu's alien souls possessing his body.

CL let me borrow that gun as I don't know if I can go on now that Propsync has stated that I am coo coo.

 

[FlyWolf]

that "6 letters:nuts:" can get for us later in the year!

Don't know if I trust "6letters" that much.

I agree with you, I hope Airtran does well with their contract so we can refer to it during our negotiation.

 

[CitationLover]

Don't know if I trust "6letters" that much.

Well one thing is certain. The top end CA rates will go up.....

 

[FlyWolf]

Well one thing is certain. The top end CA rates will go up.....

You got it my friend

 

[deadstick]

Seems to me the company is getting 11 extra seats of revenue this summer, 44 $60 "signature" fees, etc with no changes. there's our extra money for our pockets.

I'll be the first to admit that TH is a first-class con artist. However, if I'm reading your post correctly, you are saying that he'll charge the same fare in a 99-seater for 19E (center of the 3) as he does today for 19A-D? Then he gets $60 over, essentially, today's fare to move to a Signature seat? If so, he should go sell flood insurance to the nomadic tribes of the Sahara. He's already conned the good people of Milwaukee.

fam62, how do you know TPG will do that to Midwest? I was just wondering, because looking at TPG history they never done that to any company they purchased?

A TPG holding company owns Spirit. Since TPG got involved, I hear QOL and the whole operation is swirling in the basin and heading down the drain.

Here's another exapmle of TH's great decisions. Skyway's last flight is April 5. Mesaba just annouced they will not start EAS service until June 5 and 2 of the cities still have no carrier. Apparently, they just found out they will be fined $25,000 per day (per city?) for not providing EAS service. I guess they thought they could get out of it like Big Sky. Oops, they may need Skyway a little longer. With crews and dispatchers finding other jobs, good luck! If that is per city, doesn't that come to about $6M if another carrier starts those other 2 cities on the 5th, too? The Cookie Palace strikes again!

 

[FlyWolf]

A TPG holding company owns Spirit. Since TPG got involved, I hear QOL and the whole operation is swirling in the basin and heading down the drain.

Well, I hear Spirit is getting 30 more new Airbus with option for more, that alone gives me hope.

 

[GOULET!]

Deadstick...do you have a source for that EAS info? Not questioning your accuracy, just curious to see the offical word on that.

 

[CitationLover]

I'll be the first to admit that TH is a first-class con artist. However, if I'm reading your post correctly, you are saying that he'll charge the same fare in a 99-seater for 19E (center of the 3) as he does today for 19A-D? Then he gets $60 over, essentially, today's fare to move to a Signature seat? If so, he should go sell flood insurance to the nomadic tribes of the Sahara. He's already conned the good people of Milwaukee.

while i realize you hate tim and all why not look at FACTS and calm down. your opinions mean nothing without FACTS, considering he is doing just that right now.

FACT is our 717 seats are now sold as coach fares comparing to other airlines coach fares. This pricing structure will continue into the future with a borrowing of whatever pricing structure they use for middle seats in the MD80.

FACT is our MD80 Signature seats are now a $60 override that you pay at the gate, online, or with an agent.

FACT this price is scheduled to rise this summer (last i heard was $75).

FACT is our flight attendants should get a raise as their responsibilities have grown by 12.5% on the 717 when the seating configuration begins.

Why would we price our coach seats any lower than anyone else? Fuel prices dictate pretty much leisure destination pricing and we will price them to match our competitors, etc. I am sure our pricing algorithms will continue into the future and they will adjust them as they see fit to maximize revenue, ie revenue management. Every airline does this.

As far as EAS, most are ditching EAS. Big Sky, Air Midwest are dumping most of their cities. The airplanes are simply too old and expensive to maintain despite the subsidy. If the government increases the subsidy, then perhaps an extension may occur. The 1900 (an airplane I have a type rating in and a lot of hours in flying EAS routes) is like a cockroach though, it may still get the last laugh.