More Competition in Milwaukee for Midwest

[Kharma Police]

It's funny to see the AAI guys (the usual "i told you so" fellas) rooting for us to take concessions. WE WANT THEM TO GET 50% RAISES BEFORE US SO WE CAN SHOW THE COMPANY WHAT THE GOING 717 RATES ARE. is it our fault they have been negotiating forever? we aren't rooting for the demise or concessions here. i want ALL companies to get raises, imbecile.

glad to hear you're so full of cheer though. i've been saying we'll get stapled (by AAI) from day one when the announced their intentions. federal law beat the deal though, so i guess now binding arbitration will happen if AAI buys us. as far as NWA, binding arbitration it will be there. so you see propsync, there ain't any more staples per se thanks to the TWA FA's lobbying their Mizzou congresspersons.

None of my co-workers advocated a staple. It was the MEH ALPA who demanded DOH then acted surprised when our union said "no thanks". They then proceeded to back Timmy’s wonderful RJ growth plan, all the while Skyway gets the shaft, you might get an extended un-paid vacation, and Fly Wolf spends another ten years in the right seat, but hey, TPG saved the cookie, right?!?!

 

[PCL_128]

i want ALL companies to get raises

Amen to that. I hope both of us are able to get big improvements. I'm certainly not hoping for concessions for anyone, much less an airline that flies the exact same equipment that we do.

i've been saying we'll get stapled (by AAI) from day one when the announced their intentions. federal law beat the deal though, so i guess now binding arbitration will happen if AAI buys us.

A staple was never an option, and you should know better. Both of our agreements have M & A language that requires the ALG/Mohawk LPPs to be used in the case of a merger between carriers that aren't represented by the same union. It didn't take a fancy new bill in congress to make sure of that, because it was already in our contracts.

as far as NWA, binding arbitration it will be there

Actually, it will be ALPA merger policy that dictates a merger between MEH and NWA, if such a thing ever takes place (highly unlikely). And if I know Captain Snedorf, he's not stupid enough to let it go to arbitration. I'm sure there would be a settlement, per ALPA merger policy.

 

[CitationLover]

Trust me, when it comes to losing your job or a concession, you will vote for a concession..

you have that 100% wrong on my part. and you really believe AAI would have kept skyway, you're high.

 

[CitationLover]

None of my co-workers advocated a staple. It was the MEH ALPA who demanded DOH then acted surprised when our union said "no thanks". They then proceeded to back Timmy’s wonderful RJ growth plan, all the while Skyway gets the shaft, you might get an extended un-paid vacation, and Fly Wolf spends another ten years in the right seat, but hey, TPG saved the cookie, right?!?!

actually gt1900 advocated it, saying my posts would cause it.

MEH ALPA better have demanded DOH, if not they ain't doing their job. our mec got played and they know it. it's ok, we have 6 letters in 6 days ready to fight for us. :uzi:

 

[CitationLover]

....per ALPA merger policy.

if it happens, they play hardball, we play hardball and soon you have binding arbitration (per ALPA merger policy).

 

[Kharma Police]

actually gt1900 advocated it, saying my posts would cause it.

MEH ALPA better have demanded DOH, if not they ain't doing their job. our mec got played and they know it. it's ok, we have 6 letters in 6 days ready to fight for us. :uzi:

What is the significance of the "six letters", some kind of Dungeons and Dragons thing? "Ain't", come on man, did they not teach you grammar in Gary?

 

[CitationLover]

What is the significance of the "six letters", some kind of Dungeons and Dragons thing? "Ain't", come on man, did they not teach you grammar in Gary?

the six letters is an inside joke.

Gary is quite the tourist attraction. Oh don't mind the boarded up windows, they're expecting a hurricane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ROnN59R6MY&feature=related

 

[gt1900]

Nice try Citation.. What I said was if you keep bashing AAI on your posts, it would make guys want to staple you.. I never advocated stapling the MEH guys.... OK.. Maybe just you, but thats it. Besides, your so junior at MEH you would have been on the bottom anyways. It would have been a wash.

 

[CitationLover]

Nice try Citation.. What I said was if you keep bashing AAI on your posts, it would make guys want to staple you.. I never advocated stapling the MEH guys.... OK.. Maybe just you, but thats it. Besides, your so junior at MEH you would have been on the bottom anyways. It would have been a wash.

Staple me, puh leaze. Commuting to the A-T-L is not in my future. There's no water. One concern of mine would be saying "Citrus" on the radio. How effeminate is that? Ok, it's no "Spirit Wings" (that sounds like a maxipad), but it's close.

 

[flying zephyr]

I can't believe what I am reading

Aren't we all in this together???? Of course our MEC backed the company's business plan. I don't know what they were told, but I am POSITIVE that it included growth and new A/C. What makes pilots happy? Growth, Money, Time Off. Period.... We are all in this together. AAI and MEH pilots. What do you think is going to happen when one group settles on pay rates. The other will follow suit. I will admit that I was against a merger with AAI in the beginning, but as my friends there started to say stuff, I bought into it more. I don't think that we ever DEMANDED DOH as someone said. I heard that everyone said % placement on the list. Also, AAI pilots never said no thanks. TPG came in and closed the deal b-4 anything was even truly negotiated between groups.

I just hope for all our sakes that AAI gets an industry leading contract. The failure of your mngmnt to hedge has hurt, but I would keep pointing out to mngment. Seven years profits on your backs!!!!!!!!!!. God's speed and good luck. As for our future at MEH/TPG/NWA/DAL whatever, you never know, SWA may come calling on you someday, if I were you, I'd be wishing us the best possible outcome too. I have a lot of great friends at AAI and I wish them all the best.

Why does it matter if one or two at each company have bad blood. Yeah, it scares me a little to see AAI come after MKE, but we'll see what happens.

MY predicition FWIW is TPG sale goes through on the first. In the next six months you may see a transition over a period of time sale of some if not all of aai's 717 to TPG or NWA, or maybe even the other way, maybe 717 from meh go to aai. One way or the other there will be further movement of a/c. One to two years for MEH to be absorbed or sold in one form or another. I don't know where it will leave me, but I pray the best for all of us. Airline flying "aint" what it once was and with age 65, corporate raiders, shoddy mngment, and merger city on the horizon. Let's hope we all have jobs when the dust settles.

 

[gt1900]

I don't understand "puh leaze".. Is that kinda like shh!!!!!!!!!!!!!ttttttttt.

Flying Z.. I believe AAI still has around 6 years left on the oldest 717 lease. So I don't think AAI is going to get rid of any 717's any time soon.

 

[CitationLover]

i truly think there is no bad blood here, just people (myself included) talking smack. EVERY AAI pilot in person i have met and talked to, j/s on, etc. has been professional and friendly.

trust me, if AAI bought us, i'd be their #1 cheerleader.

 

[PCL_128]

if it happens, they play hardball, we play hardball and soon you have binding arbitration (per ALPA merger policy).

Like I said, Jay isn't that stupid. There would be a settlement beforehand.

 

[CitationLover]

Like I said, Jay isn't that stupid. There would be a settlement beforehand.

we shall soon see.

fwiw, the market seems to like AAI's MKE plans today and MEH is beginning the rise to $17 by the 1st.

 

[CitationLover]

I don't understand "puh leaze".. Is that kinda like shh!!!!!!!!!!!!!ttttttttt.

Flying Z.. I believe AAI still has around 6 years left on the oldest 717 lease. So I don't think AAI is going to get rid of any 717's any time soon.

ahh but if boeing would trade those leases in for 737's, i believe AAI would do it. this is the NWA side i have heard regarding getting leased 717's to replace the dc9-30's.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Nice try Citation.. What I said was if you keep bashing AAI on your posts, it would make guys want to staple you..

Is this how it would go down?

(Behind the scenes at an NPA meeting.)

John "Next topic for discussion is the possible seniority integration of the Midwest Pilot group. There are approximately 405 pilots over there, any suggestions?"

Bill "Well I don't know whats fair but one of them on Flightinfo ticks me off. So I say staple."

John "Great idea Bill. I would just like to say thank you flightinfo.com for having such an impact on our decision making. Now lets start the staple."

(Cheers and applause in the back ground) "Yes, Yes, staple...Ra Ra Ra"

 

[Propsync]

It's funny to see the AAI guys (the usual "i told you so" fellas) rooting for us to take concessions. WE WANT THEM TO GET 50% RAISES BEFORE US SO WE CAN SHOW THE COMPANY WHAT THE GOING 717 RATES ARE. is it our fault they have been negotiating forever? we aren't rooting for the demise or concessions here. i want ALL companies to get raises, imbecile.

Since when was I AAI? Anyway. Yep, those HUGE operating profits will have to be answered for when you guys ever get to the table! AirTran will set the rates that you will never get. Because MEH doesn't make money. One, in your case, has nothing to do with the other. If both companies were making money, it would be different. There is no money left to be had CL, when there is less than none to start with.

 

[CitationLover]

Since when was I AAI? Anyway. Yep, those HUGE operating profits will have to be answered for when you guys ever get to the table! AirTran will set the rates that you will never get. Because MEH doesn't make money. One, in your case, has nothing to do with the other. If both companies were making money, it would be different. There is no money left to be had CL, when there is less than none to start with.

Seems to me the company is getting 11 extra seats of revenue this summer, 44 $60 "signature" fees, etc with no changes. there's our extra money for our pockets.

 

[Propsync]

Staple me, puh leaze. Commuting to the A-T-L is not in my future. There's no water. One concern of mine would be saying "Citrus" on the radio. How effeminate is that? Ok, it's no "Spirit Wings" (that sounds like a maxipad), but it's close.

You really are scared, aren't you? Your secret is safe with us.

 

[Propsync]

Seems to me the company is getting 11 extra seats of revenue this summer, 44 $60 "signature" fees, etc with no changes. there's our extra money for our pockets.

Yeah, just in the nick of time, too. Good thing they didn't do that five years ago, they might have gotten $25 a share for the sale.

 

[CitationLover]

You really are scared, aren't you? Your secret is safe with us.

Oh darn. You caught me, I'm gay. Shhhh, don't tell my wife (er cover story).

 

[Propsync]

Hey CL- Don't you find it ironic that you have an avatar of something successful? And alternative?

 

[CitationLover]

Hey CL- Don't you find it ironic that you have an avatar of something successful? And alternative?

and yours is jerking off or giving a bj.....

successful? i don't see elton's face on tranny's planes anymore.

 

[PCL_128]

Guys, is this really productive? What is there to gain by taunting MEH pilots about the possibility of concessions? And CL, you really encourage this crap with your avatars of Joe and now Elton, plus your constant attacks on AirTran. A business deal didn't happen, guys. That's no reason for our two pilot groups to be at each other's throats all the time.

 

[CitationLover]

Guys, is this really productive? What is there to gain by taunting MEH pilots about the possibility of concessions? And CL, you really encourage this crap with your avatars of Joe and now Elton, plus your constant attacks on AirTran. A business deal didn't happen, guys. That's no reason for our two pilot groups to be at each other's throats all the time.

now let's be fair....my avatars change after these threads are started.

we're all under the boots of rich white guys, ruining our lives. we're simply letting off steam here.

now let's talk about something important here.......what are the big prop bets hitting vegas for the superbowl?

 

[PCL_128]

now let's be fair....my avatars change after these threads are started.

Maybe so, but you can't say that you don't encourage this crap with your posts.

we're all under the boots of rich white guys, ruining our lives. we're simply letting off steam here.

You let off steam by attacking the rich bastards, not your fellow pilots.

 

[CitationLover]

Maybe so, but you can't say that you don't encourage this crap with your posts.You let off steam by attacking the rich bastards, not your fellow pilots.

this "crap" is entertaining. in REAL life (not flightinfo) AAI and MEH pilots treat each other fairly and friendly.

there's my new avatar, the whining, sniveling, TO.

 

[FlyWolf]

I say staple CL, that boy have been nothing but trouble since we hired him, haha lol, I am kidding

Best of luck to the Airtran guys and us here at Midwest, after all, we are just pilots doing what they ask us to do.

CL, can scheduling make us airport reserve for 4 to 5 hours? I don't have my contract with me.

 

[Propsync]

CL, can scheduling make us airport reserve for 4 to 5 hours? I don't have my contract with me.

Hey Wolf, sorry to steal, but I think you should have a copy on your my alpa page, or mec part of the alpa page, something like that. I know we put ours up for Skyway eons ago and I figured we were the last to do so. I'd check there first.

 

[FlyWolf]

Thanks Propsync, totally forgot about that