Misery loves Comany: PCL to park 15 CRJs

[buckwheatt]

They Took Our Joooobs

 

[Lear70]

I'd say the NWA pilots are paying a much steeper price. How many PCL pilots have been hired since 9/11? How many have and will be furloughed? Ooops, I forgot, there might even be some pilots that will have the required flight hour minimums when they get a chance to upgrade to Capt. on the CRJ. The pain, the pain.....

Why does it have to be "we are hurting worse than you"... "we need it more than you"... "our mechanics can beat up your mechanics...? What does THAT kind of rhetoric do for ANY of us?

How many PCL pilots since 9/11? Approximately 800.

How many have and will be furloughed? 100 after 9/11 (including me - my 2nd furlough for that year), and now probably another 100, until the NEXT round of aircraft parking is announced, then another hundred or two more.

EVERYONE is hurting... NO ONE is safe... We don't need to continue this type of bickering, it solves nothing and helps no one.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hey all,

Feel free to use the avatar. Let's show some unity and express our collective opinion of NWA.

MM

The avatar says more about the user than NWA. Guys, if you want to get thru this it is going to take alot more than this..... you need to go from zero to full speed and you haven't turned on the motor.....

Stay Sane.

 

[dondk]

157 pilots were furloughed 11 days after 9/11 (I was one of them too). Another 35 or so who were in various stages of training were outright let go. Of the 157 furloughee's, about 140 returned within 87 days. 5 or 6 of the 35 let go were offered positions after the company hired 100 or so ahead of them. The others were not even offered an opportunity to return.

Currently Pinnacle has "refugee's" from the USAir wholly owned regionals, Indy Air (ACA) and 38 still standing NWA furloughees.

Bottom line, this will be a lesson for our 800 or so guys hired after the last furlough. Hopefully they will keep this in mind in 2-3 years when our contract may be ratified. The sad part is the dude that may be furloughed, will make more on unemployment than guarantee.

 

[Flyinisforbirds]

What is the current unemployment rate? 3 years ago it was only 350 a week.

 

[dondk]

Varies by state as I recall... Living in PA I made more on unemployment then when I was working.

Guarantee is only 75 hours at 21 per hour (rounded) less than $400 per week before taxes.

 

[tomdav]

They Took Our Joooobs

I love that South park episode.

 

[Rook]

http://www.southparkstudios.com/downloads/display_sound.php?ep_number=806&ep_name=Goobacks&snd=http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/sounds/806/THEYTOOKOURJOBS3.wav&snd_name=They%20took%20our%20jobs!

enjoy

Rook

 

[Snakum]

That's why I said "figure out a way", you craven little PFT whore.

Still in the business of rationalizing your own actions while bashing others?

God#$%& you 100LL, you crusty old Facist! Don't you realize you're talking to the "Resident ALPA Defender"? This young man has repented the evil of paying to play pilot while hundreds of South Florida CFIs struggled in the oppressive heat in ratty old C150s and begged for multi-engine flight time. He has confessed his sins and realizes the folly of getting a leg up into a new CRJ at 500 hours while crusty old Freight Dogs flew clapped out Barons at night in the ice and thunderstorms and sent thousands of resumes during the day between Ramen noodle entres and catnaps on the floor of a rusting mobile home.

This is not, as someone else posted on another thread about him, a case of "FYIGM". He really has seen the light. He is now a valued leader of the anti-RJDC movement, a firebreathing Unionist and ALPA supporter. You are not fit to carry his flightbag, you bitter old corporate piston wanker. You could learn a thing or two from this young man.

And further ...

I and many of the GIA guys sit in the top half of the seniority list

... you may be looking at him across a table in an interview one day, if you decide to go back into 121.

Minh

 

[100LL... Again!]

I WOULD HAVE forgave him for his crimes against the profession, except...

Follow me for a moment snakers. I know you don't believe in my Bible, but there are still a lot of worthwhile stories in it, fictitious as they may be.

There is a story about a man who owed a lot to the king. The king demanded payment. The man begged for mercy and the king was moved by this and forgave the debt. No sooner did this occur than the just-forgiven man went off and demanded payment of a tiny little debt from his neighbor. When the neighbor begged for mercy, he had him thrown in debtor's prisin. So, while he was forgiven a very large debt, he himself would not forgive a very small debt.


This, essentially, is why I think PCL is a raving hypocrite and a disgrace o the profession and conservatives everywhere.

He has delicately and soothingly explained away how he must be forgiven for his ignorance, and why he deserves a 'second chance', so to speak.

At the same time, he plans to come down like a ton of bricks on any g0 jet pilot he meets.

You see, he explains, HE didn't know better, but THEY should.

I am more inclined to forgive a long-time professional who needs a job than a snot-nosed punk who wanted to cut in line.

As far as your ridiculous notion that I'm not fit to carry his flight bag? Nice try a psychology. I've been busting my a$$ for years in this business, and was flying approaches to mins when PCL was still in high school. He could stand to learn a lot from me, rather.

And him sitting at an interview board across from me?
If you knew my current position, you could see how that is impossible. Actually, it would be more likely to be the other way.


PCL is trying to wash off the stink of being a PFT whore. He is doing it being as hard on others as possible. He's an a44-kissing pantywaist loser.

He will never know what it is like to work hard for a flying job and build the hours slowly, earning every one.

He will never know what it is like to be responsible for an airplane all by yourself, in weather, without a PIC along to sweep up your f-ups and hold your hand.

This overcompensation on his part is laughable. You know, when some people become religious, one of the first things they do is go around telling everyone that they are going to he11 if they don't shape up.

You would think that they would llike to put a little distance between their sins and when they appoint themselves to the judgement seat.

I'd laught just as hard if Martha Stewart wanted to sit on Ken Lay's jury.

 

[PCL_128]

He could stand to learn a lot from me, rather.

LOL!!! Thanks for the laugh, 100LL.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Glad to help, junior. You are forgetting one thing - I essentially know your resume. You do not know mine. Your qualifications are minimal, and fairly unimpressive. You have A LOT to learn about flying and earning a living, and the profession.
The fact that you so not see this proves how far you really have to go.

How long you been flying anyway? I mean as a real pilot, not a paying passenger.

Better question: How long until you can forget that you're a poser?


By the way, the fact that you are so irate over the g0 jet5 situation gives me a lot of enjoyment. There's nothing little 'ol you can do to stop it.

BTW: You really make me think of J. Edgar Hoover. Can you guess why?

 

[Rook]

Maybe because you're into guys?? I dunno?

Rook

 

[Yudso]

This bickering is ridiculous.

 

[405]

100LL, YFIAFH.

adios

 

[PCL_128]

Sorry 100LL, I won't be answering any of your questions. I've done enough of that for the last few years. I get tired of repeating myself after awhile.

However, if you ever find yourself in the Atlanta area, let me know. I'd love to meet you and see if you say the same things in person that you say on this board. First round of drinks is on me...

405, what the heck does YFIAFH mean? You lost me on that one.

 

[100LL... Again!]

I say essentially the same things in person as I do here. No real exceptions occur to me at the moment. If I think of one, I'll let you know.

 

[Snakum]

Maybe because you're into guys?

Now that's funny, whether you PFT'd or not.

Minhommad the Mad Muslim Pig Farmer
"La la la la la la la la! In the name of Allah ... I issue a Fatwa against the infidel who doesn't eat BBQ!"

 

[AAflyer]

Plenty here do throughout this board. BTW the only way PCL/XJ make $$ for NWA is because of the subsidized fuel price ($ 0.85/gal) jet fuel NWA gives you via the ASA and the fee for departure. Pay the going rate for fuel and operating your (oops, NWA's) acft and you will look like Independence Air.

NWA is happy playing that shell game to labor's disadvantage at the mainline, but in Ch11 that's going to change, and is as events are proving.

Yeah, ALPA screwed up a long time ago allowing RJ's at the feeders instead of keeping them at the main line. That can also be partialy undone, and in the long run it will be to everyones benefit.

Think about the fact that the current announced furloughs will go back to ~ 1999 hires at NWA. There is going to be many more after that. Most of these pilots were flying at NWA before you even were out of flight school.

As to your vulgarity, it's a demonstration of both your age and inexperience.

Actually I thought it showed a lot about his professionalism.

AA

Good luck Redtail guys and gals..

 

[bertengineer]

ill go ahead and let everyone know if voluntary leaves were not enough, because I will be one of the first to know

You and me brother. I start the sim on Tuesday ( Supposed too anyway) I had a week off from Oral to sim so I am out of the loop a bit. I guess I need to get in touch with my old flight school for a backup plan.