Miracle on the Hudson: brought to you by Union workers

[Crzipilot]

I think that was his point. With PCL saying he doesn't mind ceo's making 100mill, while pilots make 16k. As long as Alpo survives and gets their money...it's all goooood....

 

[Linedriver]

Fellas, fellas listen.... Lets look at unions for what they really do for us. Really..

Bottom line, why do we have unions? It isn't to protect our work rules, they are given away by ALPA. It isn't for pay, that is taken away. The reason we have unions is to make it more difficult to get fired if we mess up. Period. The rest of the time it is just an expense we pay, forced to pay, for 'protection' however you want to define that.

Unions aren't necessary. And how effective are they really when it comes to something like a merger where the same entity represents both pilot groups?

In the end they try to justify their own existance and expense. You guys can argue this point back and forth, blah, blah, blah but in the end unions are just revenue generators for their own cause.

 

[JungleJett]

I've never hidden anything. In fact, I've always been completely open about it. Dumb decision a decade ago, didn't know any better, now regret it, and I speak out against it so today's newbies don't make the same mistake. Pretty simple, really.

Hmmm....the guy at the end.....??/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7U8LJyIBAU

 

[CFIT]

Fellas, fellas listen.... Lets look at unions for what they really do for us. Really..

Bottom line, why do we have unions? It isn't to protect our work rules, they are given away by ALPA. It isn't for pay, that is taken away. The reason we have unions is to make it more difficult to get fired if we mess up. Period. The rest of the time it is just an expense we pay, forced to pay, for 'protection' however you want to define that.

Unions aren't necessary. And how effective are they really when it comes to something like a merger where the same entity represents both pilot groups?

In the end they try to justify their own existance and expense. You guys can argue this point back and forth, blah, blah, blah but in the end unions are just revenue generators for their own cause.

100% accurate!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

100% accurate!

feel better?

 

[PCL_128]

Hmmm....the guy at the end.....??/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7U8LJyIBAU

Nope.

 

[JungleJett]

Nope.

But do you agree with what he said?

 

[ableone]

Fellas, fellas listen.... Lets look at unions for what they really do for us. Really..

Bottom line, why do we have unions? It isn't to protect our work rules, they are given away by ALPA. It isn't for pay, that is taken away. The reason we have unions is to make it more difficult to get fired if we mess up. Period. The rest of the time it is just an expense we pay, forced to pay, for 'protection' however you want to define that.

Unions aren't necessary. And how effective are they really when it comes to something like a merger where the same entity represents both pilot groups?

In the end they try to justify their own existance and expense. You guys can argue this point back and forth, blah, blah, blah but in the end unions are just revenue generators for their own cause.

Oh, so you are one of those (idiots)who believe that seniority is a right and that a company will hire, upgrade, downgrade and furlough utilizing seniority even if no union is on property.

No union means the pilot who won't write up discrepancies and is willing to carry airplanes will upgrade first and keep his job in a downturn.

The "merit" system is a dangerous place to fly airplanes.

You dismiss unions as an unnecessary anachronism but I bet you have never flown jets for a company that had no union and a "merit" system.

 

[merlindrvr88]

today

They were certainly successful at bailing out, but they haven't been successful at building a functioning union. Over 2,000 USAirways pilots still refuse to pay dues. Not a single representative has been elected from the West domiciles. uSAPa is a mess.

They'll be back in another year or so. Count on it.

who is your controller

 

[Linedriver]

Oh, so you are one of those (idiots)who believe that seniority is a right and that a company will hire, upgrade, downgrade and furlough utilizing seniority even if no union is on property.

No union means the pilot who won't write up discrepancies and is willing to carry airplanes will upgrade first and keep his job in a downturn.

The "merit" system is a dangerous place to fly airplanes.

You dismiss unions as an unnecessary anachronism but I bet you have never flown jets for a company that had no union and a "merit" system.

Because an individual has a differing opinion doesn't make him an idiot. That comment does however, reflect your mentality.

You don't need a union to have seniority. As for your other conclusions, I have flown jets in a non union company and we did a fine job. We wrote up the problems and helped each other out when we could.

We can represent ourselves more effectively as we have a vested interest in the outcome, unlike a third party. Save a lot of money in the meantime.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

We can represent ourselves more effectively as we have a vested interest in the outcome, unlike a third party. Save a lot of money in the meantime.

Can you provide details.... how do you do this?

 

[PCL_128]

But do you agree with what he said?

Absolutely not.

 

[JungleJett]

Can you provide details.... how do you do this?

Others have chosen to drive their own boat with in house unions....and done as well if not better than any ALPA represented group.

But then again...maybe the poster is talking about no union at all...as much as I think ALPA is useless, and I do, unions have their place.

 

[Huck]

You see, if ALPA hadn't been involved in all the givebacks and featherbedding their own pockets, Capt. Sully may have actually been able to comfortable retire early, and enjoy the twilight of his career, not slogging around the NE during winter, etc etc.
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So with the removal of pensions, pay cuts, QOL cuts and such, along with the chance to work 5 extra years to make up those give backs, ALPA should be congradulated for keeping these senior airman in the air....

Bingo.

 

[Linedriver]

Can you provide details.... how do you do this?

Look at Southwest. They do just fine representing their own pilot group. They do have a union but it is made up of their own pilots and there is no question where their loyalties are.

Do you know that just the DL/NWA pilot group pays in around 30 million annually, or more, to ALPA. 30 million dollars! Now that's some expensive representation. I'm sure there are financials for public viewing but why does it take that?

It shouldn't take that. That kind of funding, in my opinion, is a total joke, especially in light of ALPA's effectiveness.

We live in a time of extreme inefficiencies. Its in our government, Wall Street and throughout big business and it all ends up coming out of the same pockets, yours and mine. More people should question these important issues instead of just going with the flow.

It's kind of like having blind faith in all doctors. The older you get and the more health issues you face you lose that blind faith and you start looking for the good one.

Is ALPA the best we can do? Hardly.

I am constantly looking for a better, more effficient way to run my own household/business. Do you think ALPA is thinking of ways to save us anything? And even if there was a surplus on their side do you think we would get it back? No, they would just spend it because we aren't their only interest - they wouldn't know who to give it to.

Hanging with the status quo doesn't stimulate any thinking at all.