Miracle on the Hudson: brought to you by Union workers

Rez O. Lewshun

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They're calling it a miracle--the successful landing of a US Airways jet in the Hudson and subsequent rescue of all 155 passengers. They're detailing the heroism of all involved, starting with the pilot and including cabin crew, ferry crews, and first responders. What they're not telling you is that just about every single one of these heros is a union member.

There's the pilot:
What might have been a catastrophe in New York — one that evoked the feel if not the scale of the Sept. 11 attack — was averted by a pilot’s quick thinking and deft maneuvers,

On board, the pilot, Chesley B. Sullenberger III, 57, unable to get back to La Guardia, had made a command decision to avoid densely populated areas and try for the Hudson,

When all were out, the pilot walked up and down the aisle twice to make sure the plane was empty, officials said.

Sullenberger is a former national committee member and the former safety chairman for the Airline Pilots Association and now represented by US Airline Pilots Association. He--and his union--have fought to ensure pilots get the kind of safety training to pull off what he did yesterday.

Then there are the flight attendants:
One passenger, Elizabeth McHugh, 64, of Charlotte, seated on the aisle near the rear, said flight attendants shouted more instructions: feet flat on the floor, heads down, cover your heads.

They are members of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. Yesterday's accident should remind all of us that flight attendants are first and foremost safety professionals--they should not be treated like cocktail waitresses.

There are the air traffic controllers:
The pilot radioed air traffic controllers on Long Island that his plane had sustained a “double bird strike.”

They're represented by the National Air Traffic Controllers Association. Someday, they'll rename National Airport for the work these men and women do to keep us safe in the air.

There are the ferry crews:
As the first ferry nudged up alongside, witnesses said, some passengers were able to leap onto the decks. Others were helped aboard by ferry crews.

They're represented by the Seafarers International Union. They provide safety training to their members so they're prepared for events like yesterday's accident.

There are the cops and firemen:
Helicopters brought wet-suited police divers, who dropped into the water to help with the rescues.

They're represented by the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association and the Uniformed Firefighters Association and Uniformed Fire Officers Association (IAFF locals).They're the men and women who performed so heroically on 9/11--and they've been fighting to make sure first responders get the equipment to do this kind of thing.
Hats Go Off To Union Teams!




 

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The non-union pilots at jetBlue are just as capable.
 

siouxicide

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Apparently, in cost cutting measures, US Airways has eliminated the co-pilot from the A320.
 

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If he wasn't a union guy but in management he would get a promotion and a pay raise for his hard work but since unions don't recognize hard work but only senority he will be right back to where he was when he comes back.
 

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If he wasn't a union guy but in management he would get a promotion and a pay raise for his hard work...
Yep, that's exactly what happened to the crew at my last non-union airline, when the flightcrew averted a disaster set up by a maintenance mistake.

Oh, wait, no -- the crew didn't get a promotion, a pay raise, a day off, or anything else. So much for your theory... :rolleyes:
 

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If he wasn't a union guy but in management he would get a promotion and a pay raise for his hard work but since unions don't recognize hard work but only senority he will be right back to where he was when he comes back.
Which is right back to where I would want to go.
 

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Does anyone know how senior you have to be as an East pilot to hold Captain on the A320 or B737.

The first officer was hired in 1986. That seems very senior to be an A320 First Officer?
 

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But ALPA isn't a Union.
 

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This is stupid. The Unions that you are trying to credit have nothing to do with this at all. I kinda doubt that any person involved in this situation was thinking of how proud they were to represent their union in their actions.
 

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I'm all about union, but did the union teach Sully how to fly, how to react, how to evacuate, nope. Only thing Alpa(not a union but an assoc.) tought him was pay cuts will be the only choice, and Usapa tought him that nothing works. If he worked for JB what would one say, Saved by one from a potential union worker. By the way now Sully not only flew the plane and saved the day but he also did all the radio work, I'm not going to work tomorrow, not needed.
 

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Unions have been battered by the press and their reputations smeared by greedy managers for years, nothing wrong with seeking a little good press for a change . . . although I think the message could be a little more subtle.

Ty
 

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Unions have been battered by the press and their reputations smeared by greedy managers for years, nothing wrong with seeking a little good press for a change . . . although I think the message could be a little more subtle.

Ty
Yeah, ALPA needs some good press. This isn't the way to get it. ALPA had nothing to do with his training, did it? ALPA had nothing to do with his skill, did it? What DID ALPA have to do with this heroic outcome? Not a damn thing.
 

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Apparently, in cost cutting measures, US Airways has eliminated the co-pilot from the A320.
In his palm-sweating, lathered-up union fantasy, the guy forgets about the dues paying F/O. Tool.
 

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Rez...now you've gone off the deep end....

1. He is now represented by USAPA...which FIRED ALPA.

2. Are you saying that a non-union pilot isn't capable of doing these things either?

3. Are you implying that ALL union pilots could have pulled this off?

4. How did he survive this ordeal without ALPA?

5. He was almost 60 years old...yet a few years ago ALPA said he was almost too old to fly.....Hmmm....

He did a fantastic job....and your beloved ALPA had NOTHING to do with the fantastic job he did....

I knew it wouldn't be long before you started giving ALPA all the credit....ALPA get's the credit when a pilot pulls of an amazing ditching.....yet heaven forbid you blame ALPA for anything.....They can't be held accountable for the mistakes......

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The point of the thread is..... as bad as pilot salaries are... if they were non union with lower pay would that have been Sullenberger? Or would he have gotten out of flying and worked his own company?

"Sully" was a trained (ALPA) accident investigator... He knew exactly what was going on. Thus he didn't worry about post accident scrutiny.

The FA's looked like older ladies... would 25 year old FA's had the life experience, maturity, discipline and wisdom???

Same with the police and FF and boat Capts. To have divers in wetsuits dropping from police helicopters in due time is pretty amazing....

Unions advocate safety... and the best pay, even in these worst times, to attract the best talent.... Unions also advocate better working conditions and safety for workers....

I am sure any non union person would try their best, but I'd rather have union supported safety sensitive employees: pilots, FA's police and Fire saving me....
 

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The point of the thread is..... as bad as pilot salaries are... if they were non union with lower pay would that have been Sullenberger? Or would he have gotten out of flying and worked his own company?

"Sully" was a trained (ALPA) accident investigator... He knew exactly what was going on. Thus he didn't worry about post accident scrutiny.

The FA's looked like older ladies... would 25 year old FA's had the life experience, maturity, discipline and wisdom???

Same with the police and FF and boat Capts. To have divers in wetsuits dropping from police helicopters in due time is pretty amazing....

Unions advocate safety... and the best pay, even in these worst times, to attract the best talent.... Unions also advocate better working conditions and safety for workers....

I am sure any non union person would try their best, but I'd rather have union supported safety sensitive employees: pilots, FA's police and Fire saving me....
The two Pinnacle pilots who allowed a perfectly good airplane to fall out of the sky...... were ALPA members.....Maybe ALPA should oppose the MPL.....Experience counts.....not whether or not you turn your brain over to someone else....

Plenty of union pilots have made mistakes.....and plenty of non-union pilots have demonstrated skill under tough conditions.....Put your broad brush away Rez....You are giving ALPA cheerleaders a bad name.....
 
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If he wasn't a union guy but in management he would get a promotion and a pay raise for his hard work but since unions don't recognize hard work but only senority he will be right back to where he was when he comes back.
Typical of an institutional pilot. Went straight from mommy and daddy's house, to the USAF thence to a job at WN.

Blathers on about how great a merit system would be but has never had to carry an airplane.

Without seniority the pilot willing to sit on "pocket gripes" instead of writing up airplanes, fly in weather others would find imprudent and who will wink at the regulations is the pilot promoted in good times and not furloughed in bad.

Of course I came from this type of company and he has only flown airplanes in environments where his hand was held so what do I know..........
 

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PNCL crash
comair crash
AA - little rock
US AIR - LGA (off the end of the runway)
SWA - MDW, LA
Delta - DFW
ETC.

JB - landed just fine with nose gear messed up
VA - none

Your theory is flawed, While I do my part in the union, for the most part the union creates a "it won't happen to me, and if it does the union will save me attitude"

Let unions do what they have to do behind the scenes, but please don't go on the news or talk in the paper, all the good work done behind the scenes is always ruined when a chest thumper like you REZ goes on t.v and wrecks all the unions hard work. And yes REZ I'm a volunteer so don't come back with that one.
 

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Rez,
Honestly, man. I love your enthusiasm. But also being honest, I could not even begin to read your post. The font size was as outsized as your outlandish union associations!

Your heart, I believe IS in the "right" place! Your mind, and I want to not offend more than necessary, could use a bit more time in the oven.

Joe Merchant, please join me in using this happy outcome to come together and not fall into the familiar rutts of Pro/Anti Union animosity. I will and have done so.

In honor of the upcoming minority-negro president's coronation, I quote another well spoken fellow.

"mcCain't we all jes' get along?" - Rodney King
 
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