Midwest or stay at Eagle

[Chuck Yogourt]

Ty is like a bad case of the scabbies. No matter how much you scratch him, you can't get rid of him.

 

[FlyWolf]

I personally think that you will start seeing positive numbers coming here soon, the reason is that Midwest actually have to spend money to start those cost cutting measures they are trying to implement, examples: the Milwaukee ramp (which is in my opinion is very good now) also the Midwest own buy on board catering program, and also the parking of three MD80, after we replace the MD80 flying with the new incoming 717 we will positively see some positive numbers and results.

Back to the original post, Midwest is far from a lateral move like someone said, I worked in the regional for 6 years and know its not true, as a matter of fact I personally think Midwest is one of the best companies out there regarding good treatment of pilots and good pilot/ management relation, granted we have some problems but which airline doesn’t? I can almost assure your friend that he will be happy here.

But, I would wait and see what this next year brings us, specially with the fuel prices remaining at this high level, the reason, he have a new born and some commitments, so he have to think hard before making the jump during this hard time in the airline industry.

Said that, I hope Midex survive this hard time for the sake of all the hard working people with families who gives it there best day in and day out.

For our Milwaukee rampers, I want to say Thank-you for all the hard work, don’t think that we pilots don’t see or appreciate what you guys and gals are doing to get us out on time.

 

[1800 RVR]

Well, I wouldn't say that...

If I remember correctly, I don't think that the pilots and management have THAT great of a relationship. Things could have changed, I'll admit, but a leopard doesn't change its spots. From my sources, things are just the same now as they were 4 years ago when I was there.

FlyWolf,

I wish you the best of luck. I truly wish that MidEx makes it. I still have friends there and I would hate to see them screwed again. Sounds like you were furloughed as was I, but you should know better that TM is incompetent as a CEO. If MidEx survives, it will be in spite of him. With the rest of the 717s coming, they had better find a place to fly them to. What about Signature vs. Saver? What a cluster! I think they are throwing darts at a wall to see what sticks. I've been at two airlines where this was standard MO. And, yes, if anyone asks, I am bitter towards MidEx management. Frick me once - shame on you, frick me twice - shame on me. I let them get me twice. No thank you, anymore.

O.K. Off my soapbox, more coffee....

 

[1IDBLKJEW]

OH yeah I forgot, I think 1800RVR is a homosexual also

HEE HEEE HEEEEE

Just kidding, Whats up 1800? How you likin the brown coat these days?

Give me a pm sometime

see ya

 

[Ty Webb]

Yawn.

You weren't very funny when you were still here, Sammy, and you haven't improved since.

 

[FN FAL]

I'd say stay at Eagle. We just hired a retired Eagle pilot, age 60. He'll be going to Memphis for his initial training this week and will be on IOE in the Caravan just in time for the Christmas peak season and that great Great Lakes wintry mix, Caravans love so much.

Actually, we're top heavy with eagle people at my feeder. One of our senior pilots is ex-eagle, our safety director is ex-eagle and one of the guys we tossed out about two years ago was ex-eagle.

Good luck!

 

[FN FAL]

Midwest Express?

Forgot to mention my other buddy, he's been furloughed from there twice and has resigned his seniority number so that he can pursue other avenues of professional aviation.

Not knocking MidEx, but I wouldn't leave a seniority number at one airline, just to fly right seat in a Boeing at MidEx.

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

Yawn.

You weren't very funny when you were still here, Sammy, and you haven't improved since.

Ty Boy,

Go away and worry about your own company losses and don't worry about us. I am sure you would be much better off send Bud a letter about their commercial of your company.

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

If I remember correctly, I don't think that the pilots and management have THAT great of a relationship. Things could have changed, I'll admit, but a leopard doesn't change its spots. From my sources, things are just the same now as they were 4 years ago when I was there.

FlyWolf,

I wish you the best of luck. I truly wish that MidEx makes it. I still have friends there and I would hate to see them screwed again. Sounds like you were furloughed as was I, but you should know better that TM is incompetent as a CEO. If MidEx survives, it will be in spite of him. With the rest of the 717s coming, they had better find a place to fly them to. What about Signature vs. Saver? What a cluster! I think they are throwing darts at a wall to see what sticks. I've been at two airlines where this was standard MO. And, yes, if anyone asks, I am bitter towards MidEx management. Frick me once - shame on you, frick me twice - shame on me. I let them get me twice. No thank you, anymore.

O.K. Off my soapbox, more coffee....

WHAAAAAA, WHAAAAA, WHAAAAA. Give it a rest. So you hated it here. Good for you. Go cry to someone who actually cares.

 

[FlyWolf]

If I remember correctly, I don't think that the pilots and management have THAT great of a relationship. Things could have changed, I'll admit, but a leopard doesn't change its spots. From my sources, things are just the same now as they were 4 years ago when I was there.

FlyWolf,

I wish you the best of luck. I truly wish that MidEx makes it. I still have friends there and I would hate to see them screwed again. Sounds like you were furloughed as was I, but you should know better that TM is incompetent as a CEO. If MidEx survives, it will be in spite of him. With the rest of the 717s coming, they had better find a place to fly them to. What about Signature vs. Saver? What a cluster! I think they are throwing darts at a wall to see what sticks. I've been at two airlines where this was standard MO. And, yes, if anyone asks, I am bitter towards MidEx management. Frick me once - shame on you, frick me twice - shame on me. I let them get me twice. No thank you, anymore.

O.K. Off my soapbox, more coffee....

First, thanks for your kind words, wish you the best at UPS

You are right I was furloughed from Midwest and like anyone else didn’t feel like the company tried to keep me in the property, but after seeing all my buddies getting furloughed from AA, US Airways, United and NWA I didn’t feel I was alone and didn’t feel so sorry for myself anymore. As a matter of fact, all my buddies who were at the majors are still out on the street. I consider myself blessed and hope that all pilots out there on furlough get some good news and return to the job they like.

Back to your point, I came to Midwest from a regional airline, where you get in trouble for writing up an an airplane, or refusing to fly to a destination where other planes are diverting from or holding for the weather to improve. So, I stand correct when I said that Midwest treat pilots good and there is a respect for the Captain decision and really don’t try to take away your Captain authority.

So, again, I hope we survive this hard time, and good luck to everyone in this strange industry we all love.

 

[aa73]

The APA leadership will be negotiating steep concessions soon with AMR. Expect wage cuts, more furloughs, and a preferential bidding system that will eliminate the need for recalls for several more years.

Let's slightly edit Mr Draginass's very well-informed opinion (sarcasm intended):

No more wage cuts,
no more furloughs,
Yes we will get PBS and,
recalls should start next year even with PBS due to huge # of early retirements. No kidding.

The APA leadership can "negotiate" whatever it wants, but you seem to forget that it needs to go to a vote to get approved. I can tell you that we are very, very united as a pilot group in refusing any more concessions.

Not bad Draginass, you got one out of four right. Keep it up!

 

[1800 RVR]

So, I bet you were one of them...

Hey Chuck,

You know, no matter what I say, you will come back with one of your witty putdowns whenever someone has anything to say about your beloved Midwest Airlines. If you noticed, not in any of my posts did I ever say anything about you or tell any lies about your "lovely" airline.

So, in reference to the title in my post here, seeing your attitude towards people, I bet you were one of those "upstanding company men" that was standing in the crew sked window, putting in your paperwork requests for open time seeing that there was so much of it to be picked up back in April '03, as a whole bunch of your fellow pilots were being shown the door. In fact, I bet TH has you over for cookies. HOWEVER, even seeing how big of a jerk you are, I still wish that you have an airline to work for in the coming years. I would hate to see the GOOD people at ME get screwed (again). Even the bad seeds need a place to work, and I hate seeing pilots getting shown the door while management-types are getting rich for running airlines into the ground.

Good luck to all of you at ME, and I really mean that!

O.K. Let's have it Chuck....

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

Hey Chuck,

You know, no matter what I say, you will come back with one of your witty putdowns whenever someone has anything to say about your beloved Midwest Airlines. If you noticed, not in any of my posts did I ever say anything about you or tell any lies about your "lovely" airline.

So, in reference to the title in my post here, seeing your attitude towards people, I bet you were one of those "upstanding company men" that was standing in the crew sked window, putting in your paperwork requests for open time seeing that there was so much of it to be picked up back in April '03, as a whole bunch of your fellow pilots were being shown the door. In fact, I bet TH has you over for cookies. HOWEVER, even seeing how big of a jerk you are, I still wish that you have an airline to work for in the coming years. I would hate to see the GOOD people at ME get screwed (again). Even the bad seeds need a place to work, and I hate seeing pilots getting shown the door while management-types are getting rich for running airlines into the ground.

Good luck to all of you at ME, and I really mean that!

O.K. Let's have it Chuck....

Get a Backbone son. You have whined more than anyone on this board and that includes the low life Air Trash guys.

 

[CitationLover]

Let's slightly edit Mr Draginass's very well-informed opinion (sarcasm intended):

No more wage cuts,
no more furloughs,
Yes we will get PBS and,
recalls should start next year even with PBS due to huge # of early retirements. No kidding.

The APA leadership can "negotiate" whatever it wants, but you seem to forget that it needs to go to a vote to get approved. I can tell you that we are very, very united as a pilot group in refusing any more concessions.

Not bad Draginass, you got one out of four right. Keep it up!

what are the APA bylaws for a recall of Mr. Hunter? i'm sure MIA and LGA are for it. perhaps the government will do it for you with the election "snafus".

 

[1800 RVR]

There you go, Chuck...

I knew I could count on you. It was a rather weak attempt, but at least you were able to spit something out.

Backbone, huh? Can't wait to see the next round of concessions you guys will take...