Midwest or stay at Eagle

[FN FAL]

I'd say stay at Eagle. We just hired a retired Eagle pilot, age 60. He'll be going to Memphis for his initial training this week and will be on IOE in the Caravan just in time for the Christmas peak season and that great Great Lakes wintry mix, Caravans love so much.

Actually, we're top heavy with eagle people at my feeder. One of our senior pilots is ex-eagle, our safety director is ex-eagle and one of the guys we tossed out about two years ago was ex-eagle.

Good luck!

 

[FN FAL]

Midwest Express?

Forgot to mention my other buddy, he's been furloughed from there twice and has resigned his seniority number so that he can pursue other avenues of professional aviation.

Not knocking MidEx, but I wouldn't leave a seniority number at one airline, just to fly right seat in a Boeing at MidEx.

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

Yawn.

You weren't very funny when you were still here, Sammy, and you haven't improved since.

Ty Boy,

Go away and worry about your own company losses and don't worry about us. I am sure you would be much better off send Bud a letter about their commercial of your company.

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

If I remember correctly, I don't think that the pilots and management have THAT great of a relationship. Things could have changed, I'll admit, but a leopard doesn't change its spots. From my sources, things are just the same now as they were 4 years ago when I was there.

FlyWolf,

I wish you the best of luck. I truly wish that MidEx makes it. I still have friends there and I would hate to see them screwed again. Sounds like you were furloughed as was I, but you should know better that TM is incompetent as a CEO. If MidEx survives, it will be in spite of him. With the rest of the 717s coming, they had better find a place to fly them to. What about Signature vs. Saver? What a cluster! I think they are throwing darts at a wall to see what sticks. I've been at two airlines where this was standard MO. And, yes, if anyone asks, I am bitter towards MidEx management. Frick me once - shame on you, frick me twice - shame on me. I let them get me twice. No thank you, anymore.

O.K. Off my soapbox, more coffee....

WHAAAAAA, WHAAAAA, WHAAAAA. Give it a rest. So you hated it here. Good for you. Go cry to someone who actually cares.

 

[FlyWolf]

If I remember correctly, I don't think that the pilots and management have THAT great of a relationship. Things could have changed, I'll admit, but a leopard doesn't change its spots. From my sources, things are just the same now as they were 4 years ago when I was there.

FlyWolf,

I wish you the best of luck. I truly wish that MidEx makes it. I still have friends there and I would hate to see them screwed again. Sounds like you were furloughed as was I, but you should know better that TM is incompetent as a CEO. If MidEx survives, it will be in spite of him. With the rest of the 717s coming, they had better find a place to fly them to. What about Signature vs. Saver? What a cluster! I think they are throwing darts at a wall to see what sticks. I've been at two airlines where this was standard MO. And, yes, if anyone asks, I am bitter towards MidEx management. Frick me once - shame on you, frick me twice - shame on me. I let them get me twice. No thank you, anymore.

O.K. Off my soapbox, more coffee....

First, thanks for your kind words, wish you the best at UPS

You are right I was furloughed from Midwest and like anyone else didn’t feel like the company tried to keep me in the property, but after seeing all my buddies getting furloughed from AA, US Airways, United and NWA I didn’t feel I was alone and didn’t feel so sorry for myself anymore. As a matter of fact, all my buddies who were at the majors are still out on the street. I consider myself blessed and hope that all pilots out there on furlough get some good news and return to the job they like.

Back to your point, I came to Midwest from a regional airline, where you get in trouble for writing up an an airplane, or refusing to fly to a destination where other planes are diverting from or holding for the weather to improve. So, I stand correct when I said that Midwest treat pilots good and there is a respect for the Captain decision and really don’t try to take away your Captain authority.

So, again, I hope we survive this hard time, and good luck to everyone in this strange industry we all love.

 

[aa73]

The APA leadership will be negotiating steep concessions soon with AMR. Expect wage cuts, more furloughs, and a preferential bidding system that will eliminate the need for recalls for several more years.

Let's slightly edit Mr Draginass's very well-informed opinion (sarcasm intended):

No more wage cuts,
no more furloughs,
Yes we will get PBS and,
recalls should start next year even with PBS due to huge # of early retirements. No kidding.

The APA leadership can "negotiate" whatever it wants, but you seem to forget that it needs to go to a vote to get approved. I can tell you that we are very, very united as a pilot group in refusing any more concessions.

Not bad Draginass, you got one out of four right. Keep it up!

 

[1800 RVR]

So, I bet you were one of them...

Hey Chuck,

You know, no matter what I say, you will come back with one of your witty putdowns whenever someone has anything to say about your beloved Midwest Airlines. If you noticed, not in any of my posts did I ever say anything about you or tell any lies about your "lovely" airline.

So, in reference to the title in my post here, seeing your attitude towards people, I bet you were one of those "upstanding company men" that was standing in the crew sked window, putting in your paperwork requests for open time seeing that there was so much of it to be picked up back in April '03, as a whole bunch of your fellow pilots were being shown the door. In fact, I bet TH has you over for cookies. HOWEVER, even seeing how big of a jerk you are, I still wish that you have an airline to work for in the coming years. I would hate to see the GOOD people at ME get screwed (again). Even the bad seeds need a place to work, and I hate seeing pilots getting shown the door while management-types are getting rich for running airlines into the ground.

Good luck to all of you at ME, and I really mean that!

O.K. Let's have it Chuck....

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

Hey Chuck,

You know, no matter what I say, you will come back with one of your witty putdowns whenever someone has anything to say about your beloved Midwest Airlines. If you noticed, not in any of my posts did I ever say anything about you or tell any lies about your "lovely" airline.

So, in reference to the title in my post here, seeing your attitude towards people, I bet you were one of those "upstanding company men" that was standing in the crew sked window, putting in your paperwork requests for open time seeing that there was so much of it to be picked up back in April '03, as a whole bunch of your fellow pilots were being shown the door. In fact, I bet TH has you over for cookies. HOWEVER, even seeing how big of a jerk you are, I still wish that you have an airline to work for in the coming years. I would hate to see the GOOD people at ME get screwed (again). Even the bad seeds need a place to work, and I hate seeing pilots getting shown the door while management-types are getting rich for running airlines into the ground.

Good luck to all of you at ME, and I really mean that!

O.K. Let's have it Chuck....

Get a Backbone son. You have whined more than anyone on this board and that includes the low life Air Trash guys.

 

[CitationLover]

Let's slightly edit Mr Draginass's very well-informed opinion (sarcasm intended):

No more wage cuts,
no more furloughs,
Yes we will get PBS and,
recalls should start next year even with PBS due to huge # of early retirements. No kidding.

The APA leadership can "negotiate" whatever it wants, but you seem to forget that it needs to go to a vote to get approved. I can tell you that we are very, very united as a pilot group in refusing any more concessions.

Not bad Draginass, you got one out of four right. Keep it up!

what are the APA bylaws for a recall of Mr. Hunter? i'm sure MIA and LGA are for it. perhaps the government will do it for you with the election "snafus".

 

[1800 RVR]

There you go, Chuck...

I knew I could count on you. It was a rather weak attempt, but at least you were able to spit something out.

Backbone, huh? Can't wait to see the next round of concessions you guys will take...

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

I knew I could count on you. It was a rather weak attempt, but at least you were able to spit something out.

Backbone, huh? Can't wait to see the next round of concessions you guys will take...

You hope and pray that we will have to take concessions. We hear from our management and our union leaders that the company does not want to do that and has no intentions to do so. So you lose there. And to answer your other questions, no, I did not pick up open time, but I didn't blame those that did. This is an airline, not a charity. You take home what you are willing to work for. A lot of these people worked for years with no pay increases and horrible work rules. I don't know when you came on board but I am sure you didn't share in the pain like the rest of us "Pre Union" pilots did. You came in and bitched and bitched about what you didn't have. So you got furloughed. Big freaking deal. It's quiet common in this line of work. Move on and enjoy where you are. I for one am glad I don't have to fly with your whining complaining ungreatfull ass.

 

[1800 RVR]

I for one am glad I don't have to fly with your whining complaining ungreatfull ass.

Chuckie,

You are absolutely hilarious! Not only can you not spell, you elevate yourself by putting everyone else down. God forbid someone tell the truth about your airline, but you have to belittle everyone on here for posting their opinion. Well, you don't know me, and thank God, I don't know you. I wish you all the best at ME, and when TH comes back to you next year for more money, I'll be here to say "I told you so." On second thought, I hope they don't because the real pilots at ME are a good group of people. You must have fallen through the cracks. Must be comforting to know that your management keeps their word to you.

Enjoy the ride. And by the way, I felt the pain as well. If it wasn't for the SYX pilots stepping up and bringing ALPA onto the property first, you guys would probably still be working without a union. By the way that you defend management, I bet you were one of those that voted NOT to bring in ALPA. Good luck to you.

 

[likeitis]

1800, don't waste your time on chuck. I have a very good idea who he is and he isn't worth the O2 he consumes. There isn't a person in the world who is more worthy of a blanket party. We don't have many pricks at this airline but the ones we do have need a coming to jesus.

 

[Ty Webb]

He's the Bob Dole of Howell Avenue now . . .. future gear bitch for Fletch later.

 

[aa73]

what are the APA bylaws for a recall of Mr. Hunter? i'm sure MIA and LGA are for it. perhaps the government will do it for you with the election "snafus".

Oh, there's a huge push for a recall all right. I'll give him one more year... I got ten bucks that says he becomes the next VP of Flight!

 

[Bingo Fuel2]

1800 rvr never flew at Medex, he was furloghed while in ground school.

"Stay at AE. The Cookie Palace has no future. Midwest is only hiring because they have to. Boeing wouldn't let them defer the 717. Ask Embraer if the 140s have been shored up for SYX? Yeah, I was at SYX when those were ordered. Then I moved up to MidEx. "You'll all be CA in two years. We want to double our pilot staff." Uh-huh. When I was there, I heard all the promises, all of the rhetoric. Staying at AE will at least give you more employment security that MidEx. Yeah, no commute is nice, but being at the bottom of their senority list is even worse than that. Trust me! I've been there. The only way I would go there is if I didn't have a job at all.

Note: This post does contain some emotional overtones. I personaly DESPISE MidEx management. They are the biggest pieces of cow dung out there. When you find out that you are losing your job from the press watching the evening news BEFORE you get a call from Flight ops is BS. When you get a speech from TH "that we all have to feel the pain" with furloughs, etc., then goes and puts up $70,000 custom-made copper gutters on his house is BS. Don't tell me about pain. When FOs were putting in requests for open time trips the SAME DAY as I returning my ID because I WAS GETTING FURLOUGHED showed great support for their furloughed bretheren. Please!"

 

[1800 RVR]

Try again, bingo...

Hey bingo,

Obviously, you don't know me either because you have no idea what in the heck you are talking about. I flew at MidEx (your emphasis) , and if you think about it, the last class that was in groundschool that got furloughed that never made it to the line was a MD80 class. Seeing that you have one post, and it's inaccurate, I would say that your track record is not good.

By the way, it is spelled "furloughed."

 

[Jetjockey]

Bingo, you are wrong. 1800 flew long enough at Midwest to get furloughed twice. Infact, many were furloughed twice in less than 15 months. Nice planning.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

 

[FlyWolf]

Get a Backbone son. You have whined more than anyone on this board and that includes the low life Air Trash guys.

I disagree, while doing my 717 initial training in Atlanta we continuously meet with Airtran guys in the break room upstairs, I have to admit they are very good group of guys, fun and courteous, and also noticed that their sim instructors are extremely nice and laid back. Sorry to say that but the Delta guys totally ignored us at the same facility.

I also have quite a few friends at Airtran, and know that they are a good group of guys, when it comes to whining, pilots have to whine its part of our job, its like picking up the usa today from the hotel in the morning.

Cheers

 

[Phaedrus]

likeitis,
amen.