Midwest/Frontier/RAH integration information

[ChinaClipper]

PFT'd in the Nineties? PH*CK you, never happened.....this is gonna be fun. Pimply-faced wannabe's, blonde-highlighted spikey hair,at least ONE pair of baggy pant in the closet, that use the word "DUDE" too much. This industry is at a new low......

 

[likeitis]

Just for giggles:
MEH Seniority breakdown
Top DOH 12/1978
25% 11/1992
50% 01/1998
75% 02/2001
Bottom 09/2007

Junior man now: 01/1995
Junior man when latest announced furloughs complete: 01/1991

Not that this will have any bearing but it would be interesting to see how Frontier and Republic compare.

 

[Axel]

DOH. Seniority list and CBA's fenced by paint. Furloughs fenced by paint.

Fences stay up until a new CBA is ratified AND all furloughs are back.

 

[AnimalTale]

Just for giggles:
MEH Seniority breakdown
Top DOH 12/1978
25% 11/1992
50% 01/1998
75% 02/2001
Bottom 09/2007

Junior man now: 01/1995
Junior man when latest announced furloughs complete: 01/1991

Not that this will have any bearing but it would be interesting to see how Frontier and Republic compare.

I have a lot of buds at MEH. I was wondering why the MEH UNION didnt take action towards the furloughs and job losses. WHy not strike, SOS or raise Hell?

CYA

 

[likeitis]

I have a lot of buds at MEH. I was wondering why the MEH UNION didnt take action towards the furloughs and job losses. WHy not strike, SOS or raise Hell?

CYA

Because when the senior guys finally realized that it could affect them it was too late.

I hate to see what is happening to most of them but it ended up the best thing for me because it finally forced me out of the airline flying and I've found a flying job that trumps the airline gig in all measures.

What is going to be a shame is BB will have his accountants go over the Midwest operation and they will cut some great people. The training department from my own experience and others who have left for places like UPS, Delta, CAL, NWA, Southwest, jetBlue and American is hands down one of the best if not the best in the industry. It will be a shame and a loss for the profession that these tremendously talented people will end up on the street. Some already have. With what is happening in Congress and the FAA on regional training issues it would be a huge benefit to have these people giving full reign of Republic's training department. Not any disrespect to Republic's training department but I've been through theirs, another Regional's, a Major's and Midwest's and there is no comparison.

 

[arjayeffo]

One Seniority List

To all of the level headed Republic Pilots out there, I just wanted to make sure that you knew that 'authors' like Animal Tale and a couple others DO NOT speak for the F9 pilot group as a whole. I was with you the whole way on the seniority list integration issue, and as of yesterday it appears that our union and mgmt are agreeing as well. Hooray, hooray, separate lists, woohoo = WHIPSAW. There was good reason that your pilot group fought for a single list. Integration will not be easy and not everybody will be happy with the outcome. Anybody on either side yelling 'total staple' either way is an idiot. Just know that some of us out here are ready to band together and hammer out a deal that isnt the lowball wages everybody is whining about ruining the industry, nor impossible or unfair in this industry. (Why did I make a nice post here, this place is for flamers, oh well)

 

[ultrarunner]

...Integration will not be easy and not everybody will be happy with the outcome...

Man, you're really going WAY out on a limb with that statement. Tell me that can't be possible, that not everyone will be happy!!! Say it 'aint so!!!!

 

[SizzleChest]

To all of the level headed Republic Pilots out there, I just wanted to make sure that you knew that 'authors' like Animal Tale and a couple others DO NOT speak for the F9 pilot group as a whole. I was with you the whole way on the seniority list integration issue, and as of yesterday it appears that our union and mgmt are agreeing as well. Hooray, hooray, separate lists, woohoo = WHIPSAW. There was good reason that your pilot group fought for a single list. Integration will not be easy and not everybody will be happy with the outcome. Anybody on either side yelling 'total staple' either way is an idiot. Just know that some of us out here are ready to band together and hammer out a deal that isnt the lowball wages everybody is whining about ruining the industry, nor impossible or unfair in this industry. (Why did I make a nice post here, this place is for flamers, oh well)

ahhh, the voice of reason..... so there is still hope of fiding reasonable people here. Perhaps you can be on the IC in all of this. You sir, i owe a beer.

 

[S40Sailor]

First year pay sucks, and has always sucked. In other news, water is wet.

And my 1900 sure destroyed alot of mainline hopes in McCook, Nebraska.

Amen to that...

 

[flying zephyr]

I agree, the way you know you did good integration is if no one is happy. We all are losing, but the focus now needs to be on building unity between the three groups. I don't like the thought of where I'll end up in this whole mess, but divided we will all lose, united we can possibly get a new and healthy contract. I am curious to know if anyone has any thoughts from the meetings this week. I knowit was all through a mediator, but any ideas.

As for the pilots striking at Midwest, that is probably what BB was hoping for. We strike, we are all done and he immediately can do whatever he wants. Remember YX's contract is also amendable. I know it sounds funny, but here's hoping nobody's happy with integration, but the pilots are happy with a new contract eventually. Now everyone can tell me how stupid I am.

 

[Axel]

OK yer 'toopid.

Actually you sound like one of the few sane ones.

 

[starchkr]

So Trogdor if you're a furloughed E190 driver you raised the bar on the industry by working for US for 41 an hour, right? And all you F9 drivers screaming about wet-nosed kids are conveniently ignoring how you all flew E120s and SF-340s for 13K per year and/or PFT'd in the nineties... but it was ok then, right?

--deleted-- not worth it with the crowd in this thread..

 

[IslandDriver]

So I heard that the Republic Bid was outbid by WN any truth to that?

 

[Cardinal]

No.


And another "No" to get to the minimum message length.

 

[Indy319FA]

So I heard that the Republic Bid was outbid by WN any truth to that?

No, but this might throw a wrench into the works:





Frontier's union victory overturned.


The Denver Post
Posted: 07/22/2009 01:00:00 AM MDT





A federal district judge overturned a bankruptcy court decision allowing Frontier Airlines Inc. to reject a contract with unionized machinists represented by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters.
U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert Drain in New York ruled Oct. 31 that Denver-based Frontier could reject the contract as part of its restructuring in Chapter 11, after the company changed its proposal to make outsourcing aircraft maintenance less likely. On Monday, U.S. District Judge P. Kevin Castel overturned that ruling, saying the discount carrier shouldn't have made changes to its proposal to the union for new contract terms after seeking to reject the contract. He sent the case back to the bankruptcy court.

 

[CitationLover]

No, but this might throw a wrench into the works:





Frontier's union victory overturned.


The Denver Post
Posted: 07/22/2009 01:00:00 AM MDT





A federal district judge overturned a bankruptcy court decision allowing Frontier Airlines Inc. to reject a contract with unionized machinists represented by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters.
U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert Drain in New York ruled Oct. 31 that Denver-based Frontier could reject the contract as part of its restructuring in Chapter 11, after the company changed its proposal to make outsourcing aircraft maintenance less likely. On Monday, U.S. District Judge P. Kevin Castel overturned that ruling, saying the discount carrier shouldn't have made changes to its proposal to the union for new contract terms after seeking to reject the contract. He sent the case back to the bankruptcy court.

I love your laissez faire attitude towards an organized group winning what is contractually theirs versus management. If Bedford yells, "Jump!", do you go, "How high?"

 

[Indy319FA]

I don't have a laissez fair attitude, I have a realistic attitude. Ever hear of a pyrrhic victory? I've been around long enough that I don't drink management kool aid, nor do I drink union kool aid. Personally, I don't trust either one of them because they will both look out for themselves in the end. If Bedford says jump I check to see if its in the contract, and if not I ask him how much extra he's going to pay me to do it. I could care less about Bedford, Republic, or his kool aid. I come to work on time, do my job per company policy, take care of my passengers, and follow the contract, then I go home and forget about it. I do this for a certain amount of compensation in my contract. Doesn't matter to me who runs the show be it Bedford or whoever. My enthusiasm for this industry died long ago. Its a paycheck and nothing else.

The fact remains that if this "victory" causes operational costs to rise to a point that Republic decides to pull out and Frontier cannot find another equity investor, they will liquidate and this "victory" will be short lived.

The fact is the economy is pretty crappy right now, and any job looks pretty good when you have to put food on the table and care for your family.

 

[Cardinal]

Ever hear of a pyrrhic victory?

So Bedford is going to scuttle the Deal of the Decade over a $1.75/hr raise for a handful of Denver mechanics? I highly doubt it.

 

[Indy319FA]

So Bedford is going to scuttle the Deal of the Decade over a $1.75/hr raise for a handful of Denver mechanics? I highly doubt it.

Way I heard it will cost a lot more. We'll see what happens on the 11th.

 

[CitationLover]

I don't have a laissez fair attitude, I have a realistic attitude. Ever hear of a pyrrhic victory? I've been around long enough that I don't drink management kool aid, nor do I drink union kool aid. Personally, I don't trust either one of them because they will both look out for themselves in the end. If Bedford says jump I check to see if its in the contract, and if not I ask him how much extra he's going to pay me to do it. I could care less about Bedford, Republic, or his kool aid. I come to work on time, do my job per company policy, take care of my passengers, and follow the contract, then I go home and forget about it. I do this for a certain amount of compensation in my contract. Doesn't matter to me who runs the show be it Bedford or whoever. My enthusiasm for this industry died long ago. Its a paycheck and nothing else.

The fact remains that if this "victory" causes operational costs to rise to a point that Republic decides to pull out and Frontier cannot find another equity investor, they will liquidate and this "victory" will be short lived.

The fact is the economy is pretty crappy right now, and any job looks pretty good when you have to put food on the table and care for your family.

Victory? I never mentioned that. I simply mentioned that they won the right TO WHAT MANAGEMENT HAD AGREED TO in the first place. Management ALWAYS wants its cake and to eat it at the same time, this is the problem with the American Business Model in the early 21st century: take, take, take, take.

A contract is an enforceable deal. Ray Liotta in Goodfellas said it best:

"Got a problem with your wife? F@#$ you, pay me!......"