Midwest/Frontier/RAH integration information

[Megalops]

Bring it cheif, by the time you wake up your clothes will be out of style.

 

[BlackPilot628]

"YOUR KIND" has degraded this profession.

It is time for you scared, kool-aid drinking, mngmt cooperating, ch1cken, uneducated, low experience pilots to leave.

There needs to be a shift in this industry. We need strong pilots that arent afraid to S.O.S. We need a UNION that will stand up and take the reign from mngmt. The ball has been in their court for a long time now.

BlackPilot,

You seem like a person who wears his uniform to the grocery store. It also seems (I guarantee it) that you are one of the eager pilots who tells everybody you are an airlinepilot for USAIR,UAL,Delta(or whatever airline Sh!tpublic works for). You RIDE THE COAT TAILS of your Mainline Carrier, POSER! Have another cigarette, while you are fuming! Shame on you.

CYA

Once again, You are the minority. Go to hell, quit your job and stop making the great pilot group at F9 look bad because you want to make yourself feel better. You sir, have little man syndrome. Next time you are feeling big in the airport, please feel free to speak your mind to in RAH crew members. We sir, are professional like the majority of the F9 pilot group. So Animal, Go to hell again and QUIT!

And Animal, Actually I try to get out of that monkey suit as fast as I can. No need to wear it to the grocery store. I have better things to wear. I have not once stated that I work for a mainline carrier, I always refer to my company at Republic Airways. If people ask who we are I tell them who our code share partners are. Once again... Little mans syndrome. MAN UP and grow a sack! Welcome to Republic Airways Holdings!

 

[AnimalTale]

AnimalTale
Why keep bitching about Republic, It is what it is! We are lucky to have someone pony up some money for us. the nine years I have been at F9 we hardly ever made money, Im shocked we lasted as long as we did. The low pay is what this industry is coming to, nothing we can do about it. If you dont like it find another profession or go overseas like a lot of us did.

Are you serious? I give up.. No wonder the industry is nose diving. With your attitude, we should just get stapled to RAH, huh.? We are so lucky. Maybe F9 should just fold, if it cant make money.

You want me to go overseas? Why? Because we sucked dry what was once the best industry in the USA. Now you want us to go Suck dry other continents?(its already happening, just look at all the american managers overseas taking advantage of the american pilots)

Shame on you and your thoughts on what we are worth and what we can do!

CYA

 

[AnimalTale]

just get your ass kicked.

ballsdeep,

I hardly doubt anyone can do this. But since i did hit a few nerves for being "not too peachy" then I know I am doing my job.

Being too PEACHY and NICE has gotten us in this mess. I dont blame mngmt one bit for the outcome of our industry. In fact, if I was a manager, I would take advantage too. We, pilots, are weak and can be taken advantage of.

CYA

 

[AnimalTale]

Once again, You are the minority. Go to hell, quit your job and stop making the great pilot group at F9 look bad because you want to make yourself feel better. You sir, have little man syndrome. Next time you are feeling big in the airport, please feel free to speak your mind to in RAH crew members. We sir, are professional like the majority of the F9 pilot group. So Animal, Go to hell again and QUIT!

And Animal, Actually I try to get out of that monkey suit as fast as I can. No need to wear it to the grocery store. I have better things to wear. I have not once stated that I work for a mainline carrier, I always refer to my company at Republic Airways. If people ask who we are I tell them who our code share partners are. Once again... Little mans syndrome. MAN UP and grow a sack! Welcome to Republic Airways Holdings!

If you are a professional, DEMAND BETTER WORK RULES AND PAY!

Ok, I will go to hell and Ok I have little mans syndrome. But that still does not solve the problem of our industry sliding.

Do you have any solutions besides:

"Get out if you dont like it?"

or

"We cant do anything about it"?

These two common solutions are for quitters and weak individuals. YOU ARE WORTH MORE THAN THAT!

CYA

 

[AnimalTale]

if you are a professional, demand better work rules and pay!

Ok, i will go to hell and ok i have little mans syndrome. But that still does not solve the problem of our industry sliding.

Do you have any solutions besides:

"get out if you dont like it?"

or

"we cant do anything about it"?

These two common solutions are for quitters and weak individuals. You are worth more than that!

Cya

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[olympus593]

republic sux

 

[AnimalTale]

republic sux

GOD,
I love your AVATAR..
CYA

 

[Popeye0537]

republic sux

Piedmont Sux

 

[GOULET!]

Don't worry AnimalTail.....Republic is paving the way to the $34/hr Airbus FO.

 

[olympus593]

Piedmont Sux

Pdt does suck but at least we ain't scabs!

 

[Cardinal]

A little sample of professionalism from back in August 05 http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=59157:

My question:

Is the FBW on the E170 a "direct law?" Or is it a more advanced law with lots of protections, alpha floor, pitch limits, and the like as the Airbus has?

The answer:

This plane is suppose to be the most advance airplane on the market today.
The airplane is FBW and only has 1 control function that is not completely FBW and that is the Ailerons. The plane has NO gust lock.
It's like the plane has a mind of it own. It really won't let you do anything you're not suppose to do. IE: Stall, put the flaps down on the wrong speed....etc

 

[scarlet]

There is a federal law that states how intergration will be done now !!!! After the USAir debacle.

Can't wait till Republic has to deal with Credit Card companies, Fuel Bills, Reservation centers. How are they going to get their millions of dollars back=OH just charge DL and USAir and United and take their money to run Midwest and Frontier!!!

 

[hockeypilot44]

All the MidEx pilots will be furloughed before any negotiations even start. And with that said, IMHO, there isn't any reason to sit down and even discuss it, on the part of RAH, since they still have pilots on the street.

As I mentioned before, RAH bought a brand.

F*ck the Republic pilots on the street. Most of them flew the line for a month or two. I know for a fact there are a few furloughed pilots from Republic with less than 600 hours total time at this moment. You think they should go in front of a furloughed 20,000 hour former Midwest captain that was making close to $200,000/year? You're a moron.

 

[Cornelius]

I love it how the some of the RAH pilots think the F9 acquisition is going to destroy their lives.

Its the f9 pilots who are gonna be on the streets wondering what the hel just happened unless FAPA and the F9 pilot group fight. If f9 pilots can't win, then they should shut Frontier down and then Bedford can f*&k off.

 

[Trogdor]

Oh... BTW.. Most of US want a fair integration!

Wow, really?!? The RAH pilots want to be integrated into a mainline seniority list? Say it aint so!

See this is why it is hard to believe those RAH pilots who say "we don't want any part of this." IF that were true, the RAH pilots would want no part of a seniority integration because all it will do is lower the bar once again for all of us no matter who you work for.

 

[aewanabe]

So Trogdor if you're a furloughed E190 driver you raised the bar on the industry by working for US for 41 an hour, right? And all you F9 drivers screaming about wet-nosed kids are conveniently ignoring how you all flew E120s and SF-340s for 13K per year and/or PFT'd in the nineties... but it was ok then, right?

 

[Cardinal]

First year pay sucks, and has always sucked. In other news, water is wet.

And my 1900 sure destroyed alot of mainline hopes in McCook, Nebraska.

 

[Toobdrvr]

So Trogdor if you're a furloughed E190 driver you raised the bar on the industry by working for US for 41 an hour, right? And all you F9 drivers screaming about wet-nosed kids are conveniently ignoring how you all flew E120s and SF-340s for 13K per year and/or PFT'd in the nineties... but it was ok then, right?

Not exactly.
I came here (F9) from pt135 cargo, flying Sa227, BE1900, and BE99s single pilot in bad wx and into some of the most god-awful spots on the planet. The good news was year 1 I made about 20k and by year 7, I made about 75k, which is still more than I'm making now. No complaints, just pointing out where you're mistaken. That about covers the generalizations.

The point of the situation is this:
I don't know.
YOU don't know.
Neither one of us has much control over the situation right now.
There's no point in arguing how this is going to play out.
Maybe we should save our energy for when we do have an option and act accordingly.
I think that was the point of the original post.

 

[Trogdor]

So Trogdor if you're a furloughed E190 driver you raised the bar on the industry by working for US for 41 an hour, right? And all you F9 drivers screaming about wet-nosed kids are conveniently ignoring how you all flew E120s and SF-340s for 13K per year and/or PFT'd in the nineties... but it was ok then, right?

For the record, I've never PFT'd, and I've never flown an airplane with some other company's logo on the tail. So no one could ever accuse me of taking someone's mainline job away from them.

As far as the pay issue is concerned, here is a little comparison for you on the the first year at the Legacy Carriers:

CO: $31
UA: $33
AA: $35
US: $41
DL: $52

First year pay at any place sucks and we all know it, so nice try taking a stab at me for working for the 2nd highest starting wage at the Legacies.

 

[ChinaClipper]

PFT'd in the Nineties? PH*CK you, never happened.....this is gonna be fun. Pimply-faced wannabe's, blonde-highlighted spikey hair,at least ONE pair of baggy pant in the closet, that use the word "DUDE" too much. This industry is at a new low......

 

[likeitis]

Just for giggles:
MEH Seniority breakdown
Top DOH 12/1978
25% 11/1992
50% 01/1998
75% 02/2001
Bottom 09/2007

Junior man now: 01/1995
Junior man when latest announced furloughs complete: 01/1991

Not that this will have any bearing but it would be interesting to see how Frontier and Republic compare.

 

[Axel]

DOH. Seniority list and CBA's fenced by paint. Furloughs fenced by paint.

Fences stay up until a new CBA is ratified AND all furloughs are back.

 

[AnimalTale]

Just for giggles:
MEH Seniority breakdown
Top DOH 12/1978
25% 11/1992
50% 01/1998
75% 02/2001
Bottom 09/2007

Junior man now: 01/1995
Junior man when latest announced furloughs complete: 01/1991

Not that this will have any bearing but it would be interesting to see how Frontier and Republic compare.

I have a lot of buds at MEH. I was wondering why the MEH UNION didnt take action towards the furloughs and job losses. WHy not strike, SOS or raise Hell?

CYA

 

[likeitis]

I have a lot of buds at MEH. I was wondering why the MEH UNION didnt take action towards the furloughs and job losses. WHy not strike, SOS or raise Hell?

CYA

Because when the senior guys finally realized that it could affect them it was too late.

I hate to see what is happening to most of them but it ended up the best thing for me because it finally forced me out of the airline flying and I've found a flying job that trumps the airline gig in all measures.

What is going to be a shame is BB will have his accountants go over the Midwest operation and they will cut some great people. The training department from my own experience and others who have left for places like UPS, Delta, CAL, NWA, Southwest, jetBlue and American is hands down one of the best if not the best in the industry. It will be a shame and a loss for the profession that these tremendously talented people will end up on the street. Some already have. With what is happening in Congress and the FAA on regional training issues it would be a huge benefit to have these people giving full reign of Republic's training department. Not any disrespect to Republic's training department but I've been through theirs, another Regional's, a Major's and Midwest's and there is no comparison.

 

[arjayeffo]

One Seniority List

To all of the level headed Republic Pilots out there, I just wanted to make sure that you knew that 'authors' like Animal Tale and a couple others DO NOT speak for the F9 pilot group as a whole. I was with you the whole way on the seniority list integration issue, and as of yesterday it appears that our union and mgmt are agreeing as well. Hooray, hooray, separate lists, woohoo = WHIPSAW. There was good reason that your pilot group fought for a single list. Integration will not be easy and not everybody will be happy with the outcome. Anybody on either side yelling 'total staple' either way is an idiot. Just know that some of us out here are ready to band together and hammer out a deal that isnt the lowball wages everybody is whining about ruining the industry, nor impossible or unfair in this industry. (Why did I make a nice post here, this place is for flamers, oh well)

 

[ultrarunner]

...Integration will not be easy and not everybody will be happy with the outcome...

Man, you're really going WAY out on a limb with that statement. Tell me that can't be possible, that not everyone will be happy!!! Say it 'aint so!!!!

 

[SizzleChest]

To all of the level headed Republic Pilots out there, I just wanted to make sure that you knew that 'authors' like Animal Tale and a couple others DO NOT speak for the F9 pilot group as a whole. I was with you the whole way on the seniority list integration issue, and as of yesterday it appears that our union and mgmt are agreeing as well. Hooray, hooray, separate lists, woohoo = WHIPSAW. There was good reason that your pilot group fought for a single list. Integration will not be easy and not everybody will be happy with the outcome. Anybody on either side yelling 'total staple' either way is an idiot. Just know that some of us out here are ready to band together and hammer out a deal that isnt the lowball wages everybody is whining about ruining the industry, nor impossible or unfair in this industry. (Why did I make a nice post here, this place is for flamers, oh well)

ahhh, the voice of reason..... so there is still hope of fiding reasonable people here. Perhaps you can be on the IC in all of this. You sir, i owe a beer.

 

[S40Sailor]

First year pay sucks, and has always sucked. In other news, water is wet.

And my 1900 sure destroyed alot of mainline hopes in McCook, Nebraska.

Amen to that...

 

[flying zephyr]

I agree, the way you know you did good integration is if no one is happy. We all are losing, but the focus now needs to be on building unity between the three groups. I don't like the thought of where I'll end up in this whole mess, but divided we will all lose, united we can possibly get a new and healthy contract. I am curious to know if anyone has any thoughts from the meetings this week. I knowit was all through a mediator, but any ideas.

As for the pilots striking at Midwest, that is probably what BB was hoping for. We strike, we are all done and he immediately can do whatever he wants. Remember YX's contract is also amendable. I know it sounds funny, but here's hoping nobody's happy with integration, but the pilots are happy with a new contract eventually. Now everyone can tell me how stupid I am.