Midwest Flight Crew Members get shafted again

[Secret Squirrel]

Who??????

 

[MCDU]

Genius plan! Spend a billion dollars to buy an airline that makes money, control it and let it go out of business, waisting millions of dollars in the process....this is a plan worthy of Doctor Evil...."one meeellion dollars"....sorry...I digress. Wait a minute.....you should be an airline manager.

C'mon.....seriously...if Gary Kelly wanted to do that, wouldn't it be cheaper just to go head to head or wait out AAI if they thought we would go under any time soon. I'm not following your logic.

The logic is that they are taking out the competition. A profitable growing competition. SWA has higher salaries and benfits . Airtran is growing and a threat to the long term viability of SWA. So what do they do, they get rid of the competition before it gets to big and a problem to SWA.


M

 

[MCDU]

Who??????

Here is a small example:


UPS bought Emery (Menlo)and Challenge Air Cargo. I wonder what happened to those carriers.

M

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Here is a small example:


UPS bought Emery (Menlo)and Challenge Air Cargo. I wonder what happened to those carriers.

M

Here's another example:
America West bought Us Airways.
Look at what happened to America West. A perfectly good airline brought down by the lower pay/loss of pension/lousy service of Us Airways.

 

[Lear70]

I don't know the specifics of this case or whether integration is going to be required in the case of SWA/AAI. We have all seen people posting as SWA guys that suggest they want to see GH sell off parts and not integrate any AAI pilots. I want to say to the AAI guys on here that I don't think this is what the average SWA guy is hoping for. I just want a fair integration. I know we disagree on what that will look like. I have NO desire to see anyone lose a job or any of the nastiness that sometimes gets talked about on here. At the end of the day we are labor. Highly trained and skilled but labor nonetheless.

I don't think any of this will come to pass. I just wanted to get this out there before someone comes on here half cocked and starts threatening AAI guys about it.

Thank you for a calm, well-thought, and balanced post. Somewhat of a rarity at Flightinfo... :beer:

We now return you to your regularly-scheduled mud slinging.

 

[Wesb737fo]

Here's another example:
America West bought Us Airways.
Look at what happened to America West. A perfectly good airline brought down by the lower pay/loss of pension/lousy service of Us Airways.

Dude! We were being playing nice! Did you you have to come in with that?

" George ....do you mind....we're trying to have a civilization here! ".


MCDU, will all MCDue respect (did you like that) If you spend 1.4 bill to buy a profitable airline, why take the time to run it in the ground when you can generate revenue immediately by integrating it your own operation.

 

[roughneck]

If you spend 1.4 bill to buy a profitable airline, why take the time to run it in the ground when you can generate revenue immediately by integrating it your own operation.

That is the misconception. The value is in your physical airport assets and slots. He gets that regardless of whether he combines the operations or not.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Airtran is growing and a threat to the long term viability of SWA.

Do you actually read your rants before you hit the send button????

 

[Wesb737fo]

That is the misconception. The value is in your physical airport assets and slots. He gets that regardless of whether he combines the operations or not.

So....if it goes down like that, I suppose that will make you happy?

 

[roughneck]

So....if it goes down like that, I suppose that will make you happy?

If this acquisition goes through AirTran will not grow anymore so the threat of an alter-ego is zilch. If we can bring them over without screwing up our company then I am all for it. Time will tell if that is the case.

 

[27 driver]

Here is a small example:


UPS bought Emery (Menlo)and Challenge Air Cargo. I wonder what happened to those carriers.

M

Both examples have nothing even remotely similar to this one. Emery (Menlo) did not operate an airline they used all contract when UPS bought them and the deal with Challenge was strictly for the assets not including the airplanes. GK has publicly stated on several occasions that the employees come with this deal.

 

[roughneck]

GK has publicly stated on several occasions that the employees come with this deal.

I don't think that is in question. You will come with the deal but that doesn't guarantee you a job with SWA. You will be an AirTran employee under your existing contract until he decides otherwise. He may never make that decision.

 

[St. Nic]

The Southwest pilots control their merger. The United pilots control their merger- if they ever grow some and decide to put the CAL pilots in their place. Take a look at the USAir merger and the rulings from the 9th circuit appeals court and now the Supreme Court. McCaskill- Bond is just a feel good "law" with little real world relevance... Arbitration is just a suggestion- there is no such thing about final and binding!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

The Southwest pilots control their merger. The United pilots control their merger- if they ever grow some and decide to put the CAL pilots in their place. Take a look at the USAir merger and the rulings from the 9th circuit appeals court and now the Supreme Court. McCaskill- Bond is just a feel good "law" with little real world relevance... Arbitration is just a suggestion- there is no such thing about final and binding!

...........says the 19 year e190 f/o working for walmart wages.:laugh::laugh:

 

[roughneck]

Mr. Scope is out to lunch. Call back later.