MidEx

[CitationLover]

here it comes.....

.....I want to assure you that the decisions we make with respect to 2008, even if they are difficult ones, will be in the best long-term interests of our company......

 

[Spidey]

i will take a 6.38% gain on a stock in a day, you won't?

Not at the expense of a pretty good job. Definitely a false economy equation.

 

[FlyWolf]

here it comes.....

Last time I heard TH say that I ended up on the street not long after the statement, they simply don't care, I wonder how much his bonus is going to be for "saving" the company during economy down turn. I really hope the union take the news to the media and remind them with all the "stakeholder" bs we heard from this management.

 

[jmreii]

Hindsight is always too late, it is too bad midex pilot group was unable to force midex management to sale the operation to airtran and hope for a better outcome. Good luck all.

 

[CitationLover]

Hindsight is always too late, it is too bad midex pilot group was unable to force midex management to sale the operation to airtran and hope for a better outcome. Good luck all.

while i agree with your sentiment...

midwest management had no say in the sale, it's the Board of Directors (of which Tim is the only management voicepiece). the pilots had no say in the matter other than to say no to the extension "offer".

i am really happy management is still working on our planning for next year with two weeks to spare. can tpg get some airline management to help us grow instead of KC flight department folks?

 

[Propsync]

midwest management had no say in the sale, it's the Board of Directors (of which Tim is the only management voicepiece). the pilots had no say in the matter other than to say no to the extension "offer".

Wrong. If they had properly managed, they would have not had to sell (remember that stand-alone plan?). Their incompetence has led you down this road. Why do you keep defending these idiots CL? The BOD signed off on Tim's plan, you guys stood behind it. Why should you guys be suprised this is playing out like it is?

 

[CitationLover]

Wrong. If they had properly managed, they would have not had to sell (remember that stand-alone plan?). Their incompetence has led you down this road. Why do you keep defending these idiots CL? The BOD signed off on Tim's plan, you guys stood behind it. Why should you guys be suprised this is playing out like it is?

What did I say that is wrong? The Board of Directors govern the company, management doesn't. It's called corporate structuring, read about it. I'm not defending anything, just keeping people straight on HOW things work. The pilot group would have no input in the sale either way, unless we had a seat ON THE BOARD. We could have shouted and shouted and it wouldn't have stopped it. 50% of the group was vocally for the AirTran deal, one even wrote JL a letter that was included in one of their SEC filings and it didn't make a lick of difference.

So what is it propsync? You say management sells us out and then in the same breath blame the pilots. So one side of your mouth is stating we should have stood up, beaten our chests, etc. and the other side says it was just management doing what they want. If you want to blame some pilots start with your own house and look in the mirror.

 

[Propsync]

You're getting a little wound up CL. You missed my point. Tim and the board said stand alone plan. They (management) then had to manage the company to ensure success of said plan. They failed. Miserably. So management did have a say by performing to the level needed to stay independent. So when you say nobody had a say but the BOD, you are incorrect. The BOD had the FINAL say. Don't get so wrapped up in who the judges are and what corporate structure is.

I had a say in all of this. I quit. I never believed in the stand-alone plan. I wasn't alone, many more of us quit, all at the same time. Some were still going to Midwest. Since the managers couldn't manage this, it cost the company a ton of money. We had two fleet supervisors quit the same day with no notice. Coupled with the Skywest startup and oil going nuts, it was, for me, the perfect time to make my voice heard. I am curious, though, what did Skyway pilots do that was so wrong? Be a part of something we didn't believe in? Be neutral so the pool wasn't flushed so the guys that did believe in Midwest could go there? Maybe we should have been for the merger, had the pool flushed so these guys would go elsewhere and wouldn't be anywhere near this crap? We were already sold out, CL, there was nothing left for us to lose.

Look, if 50% of the pilot group said they favored a merger, do you think your union should have sided with the company? I think you guys could have influenced the non-Airtran board members a little bit in favor of a merger. Would it have changed the outcome? Who knows. I know I'd try to take a 7-1 intergration (sp) over a company that hasn't turned much of an operating profit for years.

 

[PCL_128]

Regardless, Timmy gets the blame from both angles. He's not only management, but also Chairman of the Board. He can't point to the Board and claim that they are at fault, because he is Chairman of that board, and he can't point to management and claim that they're incompetent, because he's President and CEO. The guy is a selfish prick that really doesn't care about the company, the employees, the shareholders, or the community. He cares only about himself.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

The guy is a selfish prick that really doesn't care about the company, the employees, the shareholders, or the community. He cares only about himself.

I believe that is the definition of an Airline CEO. On another note if the TPG deal gos through and Tim is still CEO and President I would be very surprised. I guess I did support the stand alone plan at first. I also supported GW Bush at first. Oops.

 

[gt1900]

Tim IS Midwest managment. He is the one who has screwed every employee at Midwest. If AAI would have bought MEH, everyone wiould still have jobs at MEH. With the exception of a few managers. He doesn't give a rats @ss about the pilots or the employees....CL.. You constantly bashed JL and defended TH. However, JL knew how to run a company and make it profitable during the biggest downturn in airline history. Did I agree with everything he did? NO, but I still have a job, and AAI is planning on hiring another 250 pilots in 2008 . Do you still defend TH? Or can you finally see that His only concern is staying in control at MEH. If he would have agreed to the AAI deal, it would be done, simple as that..

 

[FlyWolf]

I think the only reason our union supported the standalone plan by management is to use it during our 08 contract negotiations (they were wrong AGAIN), I was not asked or polled in anyway if I was in favor of a standalone plan or the Airtran deal, the union just did it without asking the pilot group what they though.

I know for a fact that a good portion of Midwest pilots were for the Airtran deal including myself.

 

[FlyWolf]

but its too late now, and life goes on.

 

[FlyWolf]

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[FlyWolf]

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[CitationLover]

for the airtrannies out there: timmy is the antichrist! r u happy?

i had the JL #1 avatar and gt1900 yelled at me about it.

we are happy airtran is growing for you. i cannot control, nor flywolf, or any other pilot here, what the MEC does. our only recourse if we disagree is to recall them or have idratherbsailing perform a trick and make them disappear.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

for the airtrannies out there: timmy is the antichrist! r u happy?

i had the JL #1 avatar and gt1900 yelled at me about it.

we are happy airtran is growing for you. i cannot control, nor flywolf, or any other pilot here, what the MEC does. our only recourse if we disagree is to recall them or have idratherbsailing perform a trick and make them disappear.

The next trick I am planning on performing is to make an attractive job offer for myself appear.

 

[Spidey]

for the airtrannies out there: timmy is the antichrist! r u happy?

i had the JL #1 avatar and gt1900 yelled at me about it.

we are happy airtran is growing for you. i cannot control, nor flywolf, or any other pilot here, what the MEC does. our only recourse if we disagree is to recall them or have idratherbsailing perform a trick and make them disappear.

A couple of us thought you might have flown a little more than that 500 hour at MW as your quote alluded to, based upon your passionate posts. It is important to insure we get what we deserve compensation-wise, just make sure you don't get buried in it at the expense of being the best 717 pilot there ever was-that will pave the long career path,...and save yer ars (self survival is first) and the 80 or arsses behind ya-that's the bottom line. I've seen alot of good guys who were only ZONE Fivers, burn up and buy the farm quickly-Fer what it's worth. And we're hiring-if yer good. Cheers and Have a great Christmas!

 

[FlyWolf]

CL, did you notice that chukie is back at the alpa board giving them hell about the 6 in 6 letters? i am glad he is doing that.

 

[CitationLover]

CL, did you notice that chukie is back at the alpa board giving them hell about the 6 in 6 letters? i am glad he is doing that.

i saw scott in the airport today. the ca i was with immediately went off when he left.

foggy day, and i doubt a lot of flights will get in today. bad day to start a busy traveling week.

 

[CitationLover]

A couple of us thought you might have flown a little more than that 500 hour at MW as your quote alluded to, based upon your passionate posts. It is important to insure we get what we deserve compensation-wise, just make sure you don't get buried in it at the expense of being the best 717 pilot there ever was-that will pave the long career path,...and save yer ars (self survival is first) and the 80 or arsses behind ya-that's the bottom line. I've seen alot of good guys who were only ZONE Fivers, burn up and buy the farm quickly-Fer what it's worth. And we're hiring-if yer good. Cheers and Have a great Christmas!

ok.....i think. to be honest i don't follow some of that.

 

[Propsync]

I think it was one part- You're too new to know what you're talking about. I think the other part is a movie quote from 'The Right Stuff'. Sounds familiar, just can't quite place it. Maybe a Yeager line about test pilots.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

I just thought I would re-read it when I am a little more drunk.

 

[GOULET!]

I do not want to see what the 4th Quarter numbers are going to look like for MEH. We have had so many cancelled flights lately cause of the weather. There have been a few days where there has virtually been a systemwide cancellation. Yesterday and today are no exception. Not a good way to start the Christmas weekend. Merry Christmas to all on this board. Hope 2008 is everyone's best year yet.

 

[CitationLover]

I think it was one part- You're too new to know what you're talking about. I think the other part is a movie quote from 'The Right Stuff'. Sounds familiar, just can't quite place it. Maybe a Yeager line about test pilots.

uh, ok. you're right i'm wide eyed. midwest is a tame tiger compared to the daily beatdowns at AMR, Inc.

 

[slackass]

Tried to get out on YX today. Was at the airport since 0630. I love how the boards only say delayed with no update times except when the cancelled appears. I didn't know that YX can only do CAT I. Saw Citrus and a Northwest land Cat III. Passengers couldn't figure it out and thought Midwest was screwing them over. Hell even Skywest does Cat II. Oh well. Couldn't get Christmas off originally. Thanks MKE weather now I can stay home with the family!

 

[Taildragon]

Oh don't fret we'll have CATIII, its just arond the corner. Ha, ya heard that before. What a joke

 

[Propsync]

Skyway had Cat 2 ready to go just before ME, but they wouldn't justify the cost of the training on either end. And there was no way they would let Skyway get signed off before ME. You would think that a couple of days like this in MKE (1000RVR) would justify the cost. Especially during a holiday.

 

[Spidey]

ok.....i think. to be honest i don't follow some of that.

You seem to let the piss ants stomp on you. I've seen some good pilots get caught up in the menutia and become so disallusioned, they forget about the good things of flying. The "Zone Fivers" is an old Pentagon term, so forget it, ya had to be there. How did you become so famous at Alteon in ATL? And Cat 3's are pretty cool, if you do them right.

 

[donkeykong]

Tried to get out on YX today. Was at the airport since 0630. I love how the boards only say delayed with no update times except when the cancelled appears. I didn't know that YX can only do CAT I. Saw Citrus and a Northwest land Cat III. Passengers couldn't figure it out and thought Midwest was screwing them over. Hell even Skywest does Cat II. Oh well. Couldn't get Christmas off originally. Thanks MKE weather now I can stay home with the family!

Slack, glad we could help you out on getting Christmas off. Our pilots have been trying to get CAT 3 for years. The argument from mgmt was benefit/cost ratio was not in our favor because of our size and not enough major fog events to justify. So we're supposed to get it in 08 but now with Timmy screamin poor-mouth it will probably get shelved again.