Mesaba pilots strike prediction

[DoinTime]

Both NWA and Pinnacle say they won't fly struck work, but if NWA pulls the air service agreement from Mesaba, is it then struck work? I don't know the answer, but my guess is that it won't be considered struck work...

All work remains struck until the company is liquidated.

 

[filejw]

The trouble with the struck work thing is as soon as NWA gets rid of the Mesaba contract they will go to court and get an injunction to force the trips to be flown.They will say NWAALPA is in an illegal strike.And ALPA will not risk a big fine like the one that just about put the Americans pilot union in to the poor house.Got be be a better way ,work to rule, sick outs ,one day strikes.Good luck.

 

[sf3boy]

furloughed dude,

Mesaba pilots are not going to price themselves out of a job. Comair, and Air Wisconsin fly 50 seat jets for a helluva lot more cash than we fly the Avro. They seem to be adding new routes, more planes, etc....

If an airline wants to fly a specific plane on a specific route, then said airline should be required to pay its pilots an appropriate wage for it. The Avro is nearly the same size of a Fokker and a small DC-9. They go to the exact same gates in every town. The difference is that the pilots make a quarter of what the Fokker and DC-9 pilots make. If Mesaba can not pay a decent wage for the aircraft, then they should get rid of it.

I do however, completely agree with your last paragraph. Just wait until someday a guy gets enough cash put together to start flying 777's and goes straight to the flight schools to get his pilots and pay them 30k to sit in the right seat. Suddenly, all the majors' pilot contracts look pretty foolish and those mainline pilots might have just priced themselves out of a job.

 

[BoilerUP]

Just wait until someday a guy gets enough cash put together to start flying 777's and goes straight to the flight schools to get his pilots and pay them 30k to sit in the right seat. Suddenly, all the majors' pilot contracts look pretty foolish and those mainline pilots might have just priced themselves out of a job.

I think statements like this pepetuate the "sky is falling" mentality. I don't think this will happen anytime soon, certainly in the near term, but could be 10-15 years off if pursued by some Lorenzorenstein type. Most flight school pilots are up to their eyeballs in student loans (like me), and wouldn't have an extra 20-30K to pony up for a job with a "major airline". I can't speak for those who have the "end justifies the means" mentality.

I hope and pray my contemporaries would see right through a ploy like that (pay us 20K and we'll pay you 40K a year as an A-319 FO) and would hold the line. Unfortunately, I know better, and there would be a few among us that would screw everybody over for the "prestige" of a major airline pilot.

This low-time flight-school college student will *not* PFT. Not for the 19 seat Junkstream here at Corpex, not for a EMB145, and certainly not for a Scarebus. I fly because it beats the heck out of an office job, but I expect to be fairly compensated for my duties and responsibilities. Hey, that sounds sorta like what the Mesaba guys and gals want!

My prediction: a deal signed in the 11th hour or within the first 24 hours of a strike. After no airline will fly the struck work, Mesaba (having read a case-study about the Comair strike) will give most, but not all, what ALPA demands to save face and the bottom line. Pay will be within 5%(plus or minus) of the Comair equivalent, with FOs getting a 9-15% increase in first year pay. NWA will cancel the contract for the Avros, Mesaba will go all-Saab, and mgmt will once again try to whipsaw the Airlink partners over the remaining CRJ orders. Hopefully, Mesaba gets enough CRJs to prevent massive furloughs.

Go get em' Mesaba ALPA. You deserve so much more than what you got!

 

[FN FAL]

and mgmt will once again try to whipsaw the Airlink partners over the remaining CRJ orders.

What remaining CRJ's? I thought NWA already doled those puppies out.

 

[dondk]

What remaining CRJ's? I thought NWA already doled those puppies out.

There are still 175 "options" which NWA will utilize some but I doubt all...

I don't see MSA being an "all-prop" operator.. NO whipsaw for NWA and we all know how much the love to whipsaw...

I think there will be RJ's in MSA's future.. Hopefully of the better than 50 seat type!

 

[JJJ]

Hopefully of the better than 50 seat type!

I'll have to disagree with you here. I think any new A/C with more than 50 seat's should be at mainline.

 

[Beerme]

furloughed dude,

I do however, completely agree with your last paragraph. Just wait until someday a guy gets enough cash put together to start flying 777's and goes straight to the flight schools to get his pilots and pay them 30k to sit in the right seat. Suddenly, all the majors' pilot contracts look pretty foolish and those mainline pilots might have just priced themselves out of a job.

Tell that to the folks that were on our NWA 757-300 day before yesterday...the Cpt had a seizure and blacked out on the descent...the F/O brought her in. People want cheap tickets, but I don't think at the price of a neophyte flying them around.

 

[Wanderer]

A Reuters report from yesterday indicated that "NWA has contingency plans in place". If PCL pilots won't fly struck flights, what is NWA talking about?

Also in the same report, "We're prepared to go as long as it takes," Mesaba spokesman Dave Jackson said. "We're still hopeful, though, that we can get something done by the deadline Friday."

Gee, that's nice they are "hopeful". It comes down to "hopeful"?

What about the past two years? Why didn't management do something then??

Ithink they have always been "hopeful." You are reading into silly statements in the media. Don't....it just leads to more stress. Is there anyone out there that REALLY WANTS a strike? I think everyone is hopeful a deal is done rather than people having to be furloughed, etc. Remain positive that something will get done that is beneficial for everyone!

As for the contigency plan....read the threads...NWA is making passengers drive to close (300 miles in distance) airports served by NWA or Pinnacle.

31 hours, five minutes

 

[Tim47SIP]

Question?

If the strike happens, how does ALPA provide the assesments to the Mesaba pilots?. Are they automatically taken from our pay, or do we send in personal checks? When would the process start? If the strike ends before the assesment checks are sent out and money has been sent in to the fund, would we get it back?

Really just curious how the whole process works as I was on probation when Comair was on strike and was not approached to provide funds. Thanks.

 

[T-handle]

OMG! Don't let this thread fall to the bottom! So close to the deadline!!!


7 hours, 15 minutes, 57 seconds

 

[T-handle]

Must..... keep........this....thread....at.... the....... top

 

[8HourPilot]

a 4 hour and counting bump

 

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I do however, completely agree with your last paragraph. Just wait until someday a guy gets enough cash put together to start flying 777's and goes straight to the flight schools to get his pilots and pay them 30k to sit in the right seat. Suddenly, all the majors' pilot contracts look pretty foolish and those mainline pilots might have just priced themselves out of a job.

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Go Mesaba pilots! Hope to have one of you guys jumpseat with us on ASA soon.

 

[POKEY]

El Bumpo Good luck guys