Mesaba pilot contract summary

[DoinTime]

Retirement

The improvements in retirement greatly increase the amounts of matched contributions made by the Company. Under the new matching and vesting schedule agreed to, a pilot with a 30 year career at Mesaba, deferring 15% of income in addition to the full employer match will retire with 55% of his final average earnings, using common actuarial assumptions.

Your retirement benefits should not be contingent upon your salary deferment. If this were a true benefit you would get the company match regardless of your contribution. Most would be hard pressed to make that 15% contribution under the listed payscales aswell.

 

[avrodriverj85]

Yeah it's hard to believe anything TW (MEC) says when he's telling the press that we got a contract equal with our peers, and the TA I am looking at isn't anywhere near what he's spewing.. maybe it's time for a re-call? That would be just deserts.

 

[JJJ]

The problem is that Wychor promised Comair ASA AWAC level contracts. It was reasonable to believe that a strike would be called if that was not achieved. And now this TA comes out. Wychor should be embarrased for bringing this to the pilot group. And to top it off he has the balls to tell the pilot group that this is a good deal. Do ALPA by laws and rules allow him to be recalled or removed from his position?

Can this TA be ratified by the MEC, or does it have to have membership ratification.

I predict that if this deal goes through, Wychor will be the first new hire at NWA when they start hiring.


Does anyone have the CRJ pay rates?

 

[WileE]

Big Problems?

With the way that negotiations work with the good ol' Railway Act, does the fact that the MEC approved a TA nullify the strike vote? If the pilot group turns down the TA will the whole process start over with the strike clock reset to zero while the MEC goes back to negotiations?

Some of these regulations are so twisted that if the union doesn't follow the steps exactly than they can be acused of not negotiating in good faith and any strike activity would then be illegal. In other words, has the MEC torpedoed the pilot group in approving a TA that, at least from this thread, sounds like its well below the promised target?

 

[DoinTime]

I believe these to be accurate. If not, someone please correct them.

YOS CA FO 40-59 Passenger Jet
0-1 54.33 23.08
1-2 55.97 27.67
2-3 57.66 30.38
3-4 59.38 33.09
4-5 61.15 34.08
5-6 63.00 35.10
6-7 64.89 36.15
7-8 66.83 37.24
8-9 68.83
9-10 70.90
10-11 73.02
11-12 75.21
12-13 77.47
13-14 79.80
14-15 82.19
15-16 84.66
16-17 87.20
17-18 89.81

I remember seeing the payscales Mesaba had for the 50-seat jet in their last contract and these rates can't be but a few percent more. When Pinnacle gets their 5/2004 contract raise they will be 1-2% ABOVE these rates. Kind of peculiar considering all of the bantering I have gotten from Mesaba guys over the years about our low payrates.

 

[JJJ]

These pay rates are LESS than Pinnacles for '04. This alone is a reason to give the TA the gong.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

SKYW per diem is 1.60 not 1.65 as someone stated.

Does Mesaba have a duty rig? SKYW is 1 for 2. So if you have an 11 hour duty pay is the highest of 5.5, actual block, or historic block. If you're scheduled for more than 12 you get 1 for 1 for the time over 12 hours. So a 13 hour scheduled day guarantees 7 hours pay. If actual or historic block is higher then of course you get that.

Sounds like Mesaba management is trying to throw the FO's a bone so the TA will pass. I don't know the Mesaba fleet mix but the FO rates are higher than SKYW turbprop but lower then RJ. Most SKYW pilots are in the RJ (100+RJ's, 72 or so EMB's.)

 

[redflyer65]

Pinnacles pay rates will be higher than this TA starting 5/1/04. Here's how it breaks down.... Captain

Pinnacle(5/1) Mesaba TA(49-59seats)

0-1 55.07 54.33
1-2 56.76 55.97
2-3 58.51 57.66
3-4 60.31 59.38
4-5 62.14 61.15
5-6 63.96 63.00
6-7 65.52 64.89
7-8 67.42 66.83
8-9 69.62 68.83
9-10 71.62 70.90
14-15 82.37 82.19

Don't get me wrong, I'm behind the Mesaba pilot group 110%, but I don't quite see how this is equal to your peers when it doesn't even surpass our (Pinnacle) pay rates as low as they are. I think it was managements' ploy all along to dangle the BigSky carrott in return for fairly low pay rates. Scope yes/ pay no. That's what I get out of this. Anyone else see it like this?

 

[T-handle]

Mesaba's TA payrates vs. the rest

http://home.earthlink.net/~kbrsloat/XJTA

draw your own conclusions

 

[NEWSOUTH]

??

Sorry but those graphs are 03' rates.

Draw your own conclusion from this:

PCL 3yr CA at 60.31 (50 seat)
MSA 3yr CA at 61.07 (69 seat)

Thats 58.17 X 1.05=61.07

thats 4 cents a seat per hour extra

 

[surplus1]

Your retirement benefits should not be contingent upon your salary deferment. If this were a true benefit you would get the company match regardless of your contribution. Most would be hard pressed to make that 15% contribution under the listed payscales aswell.

I don't want to meddle, but I find it amazing that the MEC even chooses to call an increase in 401K match a "retirement plan".

If ALPA now defines a 401K as "a retirement plan", think of the money the airline companies could save by changing all those fat cat A and B plans at the major airlines, which are a major source of their lack of profitability.

Sounds like we're creating yet another bad precedent.

If what the Mesaba pilots got as increased company-match to their 401K is what they find acceptable that's OK with me, but please, let's not start calling that a retirement plan.

Somebody tell me how a pilots making $27,000 per year can afford to contribute 15% ($4,050) towards his eventual retirement? The expectation of retiring with 55% FAE on that basis seems like a huge figment of somebody's imagination. The "spin" put on this in the summary of the TA is nothing but smoke and mirrors.

It's OK when you can't achieve all of your needs at the bargaining table, but its unreasonable when your leaders misrepresent what you actually got in an effort to market a TA. Surely they can be more straightforward with the truth.

Mesaba pilots deserve to be told the whole truth and nothing but the truth. That is the only way, good or bad, that they can make an informed decision on how they wish to cast their votes.

 

[Mesabi Miner]

Wile,

XJ has membership ratification. Thank goodness... If this TA is voted down, the MEC has the ability to immediately call a strike or go back to management for more talking. I think our road shows next week are going to be VERY interesting.

 

[PTinbound]

Will somebody correct me if I'm wrong,
but I got the impression that we'd even lose the trip gurantee that we have, let alone gain the leg by leg gurantee.
True, False?
Someone said the only gurantee we'd have is the 75 hours.

 

[CWASaab]

Re: ??

Sorry but those graphs are 03' rates.

Draw your own conclusion from this:

PCL 3yr CA at 60.31 (50 seat)
MSA 3yr CA at 61.07 (69 seat)

Actually the rates in the graph represent what those pilots are making right now. Yes, some of them are due increases soon, and some are due new contracts soon, but the the graph shows where everyone is right now, and where XJ would be if the TA is ratified. The graphs don't make assumptions, they show the current situation.

Furthermore, your rates above are not correct. According to the ALPA research center, on the private ALPA boards, and the TA, I come up with the following pay rates as they currently apply (or in the case of the TA would apply):

PCL.......3-4yr CA....58.55 (44-59 seat) [now corrected]

MSA-TA 3-4 yr CA....59.38 (40-59 seat)
MSA......3-4 yr CA....55.97 (50-59 seat jet)

MSA-TA 3-4 yr CA.....63.59 (60-69 seat)
MSA......3-4 yr CA.....58.76 (60-69 seat)


Adding the 3[-4] yr Avro rates is of course pointless [to this comparison] since the most junior Avro CA here has been on property for six years or more. I highly doubt the Avro CA will ever again be junior to the Saab CA like it once was. I think the Avro CA will actually increase in Seniority as more people make Mesaba their career, and try to maximize pay/401(k).

 

[amcnd]

What is the typical FO at Mesaba 4 years? how long to CA?