Mesaba pilot contract summary

[DoinTime]

Furthermore, your rates above are not correct. According to the ALPA research center, on the private ALPA boards, and the TA, I come up with the following pay rates as they currently apply (or in the case of the TA would apply):

PCL.......3rd yr CA....56.81 (44-59 seat)

MSA-TA 3rd yr CA....59.38 (40-59 seat)
MSA......3rd yr CA....55.97 (50-59 seat jet)

MSA-TA 3rd yr CA.....63.59 (60-69 seat)
MSA......3rd yr CA.....58.76 (60-69 seat)

CWA....you are comparing PCL 2-3 year rates with Mesaba's 3-4 year rates.

Current XJTA pay rates for the 50 seater as compared to PCL:

YOS---XJ---PCL
0-1 54.33 53.47
1-2 55.97 55.11
2-3 57.66 56.81
3-4 59.38 58.55
4-5 61.15 60.33
5-6 63.00 62.10
6-7 64.89 63.61
7-8 66.83 65.46
8-9 68.83 67.59
9-10 70.90 69.53
10-11 73.02 71.53
11-12 75.21 73.59
12-13 77.47 75.69
13-14 79.80 77.87
14-15 82.19 79.97
15-16 84.66
16-17 87.20
17-18 89.81

Adding the 3rd yr Avro rates is of course pointless since the most junior Avro CA here has been on property for six years or more. I highly doubt the Avro CA will ever again be junior to the Saab CA like it once was.

This is the type of mentality that supports low wages for FO's. If nobody is working that end of the wage scale what does it cost the company to have good rates in place?

 

[CWASaab]

CWA....you are comparing PCL 2-3 year rates with Mesaba's 3-4 year rates.

It certainly seems as though you are correct. I made that error due to a difference in table headings on the two reports. I will be more careful, thanks. I also edited the post with the correct numbers.

This is the type of mentality that supports low wages for FO's. If nobody is working that end of the wage scale what does it cost the company to have good rates in place?

Actually I was only referring to posting those wages for comparison here. I fully support currently unused rates being in the TA with one exception: The only wages I would like to see removed from the TA are the blended rates for 50 seat jet FOs. I think it is very bad to apply that sub-standard rate to anything that we do not currently have on property. (its bad enough that it applies to the Avro) My choice would be to make them negotiate a new pay rate for FOs if we get a new airplane.

Please do not try to put words in my mouth, as you don't know me, or my position on just about any topic. For your information, as an ARJ CA, I would be more than willing to accept the paltry TA pay increases if it meant getting rid of the one single pay rate for FOs.

 

[JJJ]

I'm gonna say 80% vote NO!

Thank God for membership ratification.

 

[DTWFO]

I almost got mad and posted something on here saying that the new XJ contract pays FO's way more than Pinnacle....but then I went and looked in our contract. It does for the first two years, but then Pinnacle makes MORE than XJ as an FO on the CRJ.....I didn't believe it until I looked it up!! Unreal. I hope Mesaba votes this down.

 

[XJdriver]

You may want to recheck the FO pay for PCL vs the MSA - TA again. MSA is above for every year.

MSA -TA PCL
1 23.08 20.13
2 27.67 23.68
3 30.38 29.21
4 33.09 32.31
5 34.08 33.31
6 35.10 34.04
7 36.15 34.60
8 37.24 35.17

I am not saying this is good and I would have a hard time voting yes. My worry is that if we go back to the table and get seperate pay rates for the FOs that will most likely mean much less for the SAAB FOs to bring th AVRo rates up. I think this would be easier to swallow if the duration was from the amendable date instead of that date of signing.

 

[redflyer65]

Guys, I have come to the realization after all of this has played out, that this has obviously been managements' ploy all along. 1- Drag out negotiations until the very last day, and operate the airline under the old contract and payrates as long as possible with no cost of living increases. 2-When forced to negotiate, offer a TA that just bearly passes the thershold of the MEC after "negotiating" day and night. 3-When the pilot members see the mediocre pay scale, management will find out the pilots resolve. Already there are pilots saying things like "this is probably the best we can expect, might as well sign"
Don't get me wrong, it's the Mesaba pilot choice to sign on or not. As a group you will have to live with it. But from my vantage point, it just seems like another management tactic to divide and conquer. I believe NWA and Mesaba are willing to due just about anything to get lower pay rates for all three pilot groups. Just remember one thing. Other regionals that have been discussed here are associated with a major carriers that are in bankrupcy. Northwest is not. They want a 30% pay cute from there own pilot group to match USAirways and United pay scales. The pilots told management to take a hike and show us your bankrupcy papers. Guess what? They don't have any......Oh wait, maybe it's because they're making money!

 

[DTWFO]

You may want to recheck the FO pay for PCL vs the MSA - TA again. MSA is above for every year.
MSA -TA PCL
1 23.08 20.13
2 27.67 23.68
3 30.38 29.21
4 33.09 32.31
5 34.08 33.31
6 35.10 34.04
7 36.15 34.60
8 37.24 35.17

Technically you are correct, except in a couple months ours will go up again to:
1 20.73
2 24.39
3 30.09
4 33.28
5 34.31
6 35.06
7 35.64
8 36.23

I am aware that these might be a couple cents below what your new rate is, but the point is that we are already horribly underpaid and our contract was signed in 99. I'm not trying to bash Mesaba at all, I'm just hoping that you all are going to vote NO.

 

[saabtrash]

Here is what we need to do: We need to get a good contract so that when you guys (pinnacle) start negotiations, you can compare yourselves to us. Makes sense, and that is what I want to do, we need to work together, rather than allow ourselves to continuously be whipsawed against eachother. However, the problem is that we don't have CRJ's. We don't have a guarantee we are going to get them either. We definitely are not Comair, and I for one hate to say it, but for that reason, we aren't going to get a Comair contract. This is where I see us having problems at the negotiation table. Now let me be clear here, I am going to vote no on this thing. But, for all of you Pinnacle people out there, what do you want us to do, how far do you want us to go? Do you expect us to close down the company permanentley if we can't beat your CRJ rates by 10 or 20%? I can't say I am willing to go THAT far.

 

[TOGA]

Please vote no!! We're all worth more!