Mesaba Mgmt "Pleas for Sacrifice"

[kngarthur]

Sad thing is, although it will me a moral victory for all the great people at Mesaba, nothing in the industry will change.

I would love to be there after Spanjers floats down on his golden parachute so I can challenge him to a Reaxchambo (sp?) competition.

B.S. ! Because the the Mesaba guys will go get better jobs that pay more.

 

[kmox29]

B.S. ! Because the the Mesaba guys will go get better jobs that pay more.

I hope so...I really hope the best for everyine I knew and everyone I didn't get a chance to meet at XJ. However, the death of Mesaba will not change a Mesa, Go Jet, or Gulfstream race to the bottom. That was my point.

But, if you can tell me how a Mesaba guy getting a better paying job will stop the race to the bottom, the crooked airline managements, and the sham bankruptcies and holding companies...I'd be glad to listen.

I personally hope XJ folks get to burn the place to the ground. I friggin' HATE the SLT.

 

[xjlifer]

I personally hope XJ folks get to burn the place to the ground. I friggin' HATE the SLT.

Lets look at what SLT stands for.
S= Senior ...well most of these clods have been here for less than 5 years...not very senior
L= leadership...I think that speaks for itself...they have never led and will never lead...the puppet master (NWA) sees to that
T= Team..here is what Webster says about that word
Main Entry: 2team
Function: adjective
: of or performed by a team <a team effort>; also : marked by devotion to teamwork rather than individual achievement <a team player>

I see absolutely zero team in the puppets "running" the show.

The cancer that is NWA management has completely isolated itself at XJ.

 

[The Transporter]

I hope we at xj can stand fast and tell the SLT to shove any and all proposals .we gave them a fair growth contract now deal with it.I for one could not look another pilot in the face from another carrier knowing that we had lowered the bar...screw em...let it burn

 

[olympus593]

Here how to fixe the pay cut issue:
-Make sure you keep block or better.
-Take the % of pay cut ie 9% multiple by 2 = 18%
-Now over block your leg by an average of 18% and you got yourself a 9% pay raise!!!

 

[suupah]

well since mgmt bonuses were handed out a couple weeks ago, there still no shared sacrifice. spanjers still doesn't understand that he and the SLT need to LEAD BY EXAMPLE!

do you have any links to articles about the bonuses they were paid out?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Der ist nicht to do mit our bonuses, you schweinhund pilots! I am Der Spongenbooben! You vill give to me all your monies! Schnell!

 

[Terry Hunter]

Bankrupt Mesaba Airlines, losing money at the rate of $1 million per week, made a direct appeal...

Let's clarify where Mesaba might be losing $1M a week to:
1. downsizing the AVRO fleet; increased training costs, which are temporary.
2. inadequate staffing resulting in numerous cancelled flights
3. inadequate staffing resulting in inefficient crew staffing models
4. paying to staff an spokeswoman - for an airline this size???
5. OH YEAH, STILL PAYING THAT WORTHLESS "MANAGEMENT FEE" to MAIR???

The Transporter sums it all with this extremely valid reminder:

...we gave them a fair growth contract now deal with it...

 

[Sig]

Der ist nicht to do mit our bonuses, you schweinhund pilots! I am Der Spongenbooben! You vill give to me all your monies! Schnell!

That's freaking AWESOME.

I could see Colonel Klink saying that... "Spoonnnngebobbbbbb!!??? Zree veeks in zu koolah!"

 

[bri5150]

4. paying to staff an spokeswoman - for an airline this size???

I haven't even thought of this angle. What else can a 49 aircraft airline do with out? I will start it out:

-soc that puts NASA to shame
-A brand new G.O. and training facility
-2 huge maintenence hangars in MSP and DTW along with all the maintence being outsourced.

p.s. I am on furlough, so I am a bit out of the loop. What is going on with the CRJ lines, and the "multi-class bid" that wasn't granted by the union?

 

[fly4ever]

Company propaganda machine is in full swing. The message to the "colleagues" was released to the media and it's been published in several papers across the country. One of the major items it doesn't mention is that less than two weeks ago $1.6 million in bonuses was paid out to management positions including the CP's (straight from the horse's mouth).

Let me see - we're losing $1 million a week and they paid out $1.6 million about a week and a half ago. Well, that covers the loss for that time period. Now, can the public and the media possibly start blaming something else besides labor for the problem with this airline?! What a crock!

Stand firm gang - the last big push is happening now.

 

[XJohXJ]

Well, I pray that ALPA broadcasts this extravagant bonus information just as aptly as the company spews thier propaganda. It probably wouldn't hurt to let all the relevant judges know about it, as well.

 

[Andrew_VT]

How does one go about becoming management anyway. Will a B.S. Business Administration do it or at least an MBA? I'm not thinking of becoming a tool but I want to know where these people come from! What are their backgrounds?

 

[Dodge]

How does one go about becoming management anyway. Will a B.S. Business Administration do it or at least an MBA? I'm not thinking of becoming a tool but I want to know where these people come from! What are their backgrounds?

They are recycled through the industry. The start of one's airline management career can be traced to their very first business disaster. Most businesses, with the exception of government agencies, require performance and results. The shareholders demand it as do your customers.

When the future airline management jacks up something at company "X", he is let go and gets a job with regional airline "A" in strategic cost management or some such crap. He then will climb the cubicle ladder until he reaches his greatest level of incompetence. Then he will change job titles, perhaps even airlines, until he rinses and repeats. This person will now have to stay with the airlines as a career. Since all airlines are broke or claim to be, a reputable company will not hire on someone lacking the ability to make the company profitable. Most CEO's do not want their managers only claims to fame to be:
1. The employees distrust me.
2. My company never made a dime while I had something to say about it.

 

[xjlifer]

They are recycled through the industry. The start of one's airline management career can be traced to their very first business disaster. Most businesses, with the exception of government agencies, require performance and results. The shareholders demand it as do your customers.

When the future airline management jacks up something at company "X", he is let go and gets a job with regional airline "A" in strategic cost management or some such crap. He then will climb the cubicle ladder until he reaches his greatest level of incompetence. Then he will change job titles, perhaps even airlines, until he rinses and repeats. This person will now have to stay with the airlines as a career. Since all airlines are broke or claim to be, a reputable company will not hire on someone lacking the ability to make the company profitable. Most CEO's do not want their managers only claims to fame to be:
1. The employees distrust me.
2. My company never made a dime while I had something to say about it.

Aah but you forget that without the steady hand of______ (insert Airline CEO here) navigating the post 9/11 waters your airline would have gone under long ago. The perfect storm of 9/11, rising oil and the absolute need for cost cutting has created a scenario were only the best and brightest are able to lead at________(insert your airline here) These brave men are true visionaries.

Why just look at MAIR's Mr P. Fooly. While it may appear he does nothing and under his watch XJ has shrunk to half its size and at the same time the stock price is less than half what it was when he took over. The truth is he has managed to buy a airline..(big sky) .which may appear to be a looser...well it has lost money ever since he bought it. The truth is it is not his fault and I am sure he will make it all work. Look at his plans for a cargo operation with the SAAB's..sure it never actually worked...what a brilliant concept it was...surely that was worth his 1.3 million dollar salary.

Yes we can all rest easy with his steady hand on the tiller of MAIR. I only hope that all airline employees have such a brilliant man at the helm.

 

[fieldinsight]

do you have any links to articles about the bonuses they were paid out?

PM me. I'll reveal my source, you can decide if its credible.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

How does one go about becoming management anyway. Will a B.S. Business Administration do it or at least an MBA? I'm not thinking of becoming a tool but I want to know where these people come from! What are their backgrounds?

Knowing someone or sometimes it's political.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

How long is this last push gonna last? I'm hanging on by my fingertips!

 

[ERJFO]

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[scootertrash]

I have heard 5 to 6 weeks at most before the doors are shut!!!