Mesaba Mgmt "Pleas for Sacrifice"

[Hulk Hogan]

The sad part is if (big if) mgt accepts athe union offer and then it is ratified by the pilots XJ will still be 'lowering the bar', crossing the line in the sand, add whatever stupid piece of crap union slogan here. 5% pay cut puts XJ below industry avg and in my opinion unacceptable. XJ made money I believe can make money with what they already have. Just a case of them trying to get all the golden eggs at one time (chocking the chicken ha), or what ever stupid mother goose saying works here. The vote of noconfidence speaks for me. if I could i'd vote no until mgt walks without the hard earned money of xj then maybe consider some options.

 

[xjhawk]

legally, i believe to negotiate in good faith they have to try to work it out, using tactics that will get us a deal we can live with. They cannot just try to shut the place down. I am sure the union reps know that everyone is pissed and will not undercut the industry to get more planes. They just have to play the game. To my knowledge, i have already taken a pay cut! going from a line holder to reserve, then to training, then back on reserve. I think thats already a 15%-20% pay cut, while the management team has not taken one cent of a pay cut. So, i will say, i will say no to then imposing any deal they have offered! I have said it in a different thread, but someone should write up a generic resignation letter with spaces open for name, seniority number and date or even when the last day of work will be. for expample...

I___________, seniority number________ offer my resignation two weeks after the day Mesaba airlines changes or imposes different work rules and payto the current contract. If this were done, would they impose? The union could organize this, and show the company the stack of resignations, no names would get to the company until they impose, but the threat would be there.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Good faith bargaining is a two way street. Take take take is not acceptable hence the lack of bargaining. This letter from Spanjers is bullcrap. You want a deal call the union negotiators and get serious, don't put out some crappy memo and a press release hoping to sway my beliefs. Mesaba mgt is killing the company not the unions!

 

[Mesabi Miner]

I read the special issue News Launch. All the talk is simply a rehash of all the doom and gloom we've heard up until now. I have to jump on the bandwagon here. Let the place burn. Then at least I'd be released of my seniority and free to pursue whatever I could get my hands on. My 6+ years is the only thing keeping me here. In my gut I know that if Mesaba miraculously turns around and takes delivery of aircraft as fast as Pinnacle did at their prime, I could be in good shape rather quickly. At the same time, "quickly" is a relative term. Where's my beer? BTW, Spandex sure looks upset in that picture in the article.
MM

 

[CA1900]

Remember: Northwest begins with NO.

 

[kngarthur]

Sad thing is, although it will me a moral victory for all the great people at Mesaba, nothing in the industry will change.

I would love to be there after Spanjers floats down on his golden parachute so I can challenge him to a Reaxchambo (sp?) competition.

B.S. ! Because the the Mesaba guys will go get better jobs that pay more.

 

[kmox29]

B.S. ! Because the the Mesaba guys will go get better jobs that pay more.

I hope so...I really hope the best for everyine I knew and everyone I didn't get a chance to meet at XJ. However, the death of Mesaba will not change a Mesa, Go Jet, or Gulfstream race to the bottom. That was my point.

But, if you can tell me how a Mesaba guy getting a better paying job will stop the race to the bottom, the crooked airline managements, and the sham bankruptcies and holding companies...I'd be glad to listen.

I personally hope XJ folks get to burn the place to the ground. I friggin' HATE the SLT.

 

[xjlifer]

I personally hope XJ folks get to burn the place to the ground. I friggin' HATE the SLT.

Lets look at what SLT stands for.
S= Senior ...well most of these clods have been here for less than 5 years...not very senior
L= leadership...I think that speaks for itself...they have never led and will never lead...the puppet master (NWA) sees to that
T= Team..here is what Webster says about that word
Main Entry: 2team
Function: adjective
: of or performed by a team <a team effort>; also : marked by devotion to teamwork rather than individual achievement <a team player>

I see absolutely zero team in the puppets "running" the show.

The cancer that is NWA management has completely isolated itself at XJ.

 

[The Transporter]

I hope we at xj can stand fast and tell the SLT to shove any and all proposals .we gave them a fair growth contract now deal with it.I for one could not look another pilot in the face from another carrier knowing that we had lowered the bar...screw em...let it burn

 

[olympus593]

Here how to fixe the pay cut issue:
-Make sure you keep block or better.
-Take the % of pay cut ie 9% multiple by 2 = 18%
-Now over block your leg by an average of 18% and you got yourself a 9% pay raise!!!

 

[suupah]

well since mgmt bonuses were handed out a couple weeks ago, there still no shared sacrifice. spanjers still doesn't understand that he and the SLT need to LEAD BY EXAMPLE!

do you have any links to articles about the bonuses they were paid out?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Der ist nicht to do mit our bonuses, you schweinhund pilots! I am Der Spongenbooben! You vill give to me all your monies! Schnell!

 

[Terry Hunter]

Bankrupt Mesaba Airlines, losing money at the rate of $1 million per week, made a direct appeal...

Let's clarify where Mesaba might be losing $1M a week to:
1. downsizing the AVRO fleet; increased training costs, which are temporary.
2. inadequate staffing resulting in numerous cancelled flights
3. inadequate staffing resulting in inefficient crew staffing models
4. paying to staff an spokeswoman - for an airline this size???
5. OH YEAH, STILL PAYING THAT WORTHLESS "MANAGEMENT FEE" to MAIR???

The Transporter sums it all with this extremely valid reminder:

...we gave them a fair growth contract now deal with it...

 

[Sig]

Der ist nicht to do mit our bonuses, you schweinhund pilots! I am Der Spongenbooben! You vill give to me all your monies! Schnell!

That's freaking AWESOME.

I could see Colonel Klink saying that... "Spoonnnngebobbbbbb!!??? Zree veeks in zu koolah!"

 

[bri5150]

4. paying to staff an spokeswoman - for an airline this size???

I haven't even thought of this angle. What else can a 49 aircraft airline do with out? I will start it out:

-soc that puts NASA to shame
-A brand new G.O. and training facility
-2 huge maintenence hangars in MSP and DTW along with all the maintence being outsourced.

p.s. I am on furlough, so I am a bit out of the loop. What is going on with the CRJ lines, and the "multi-class bid" that wasn't granted by the union?