Mesaba MEC Conference Call Highlights

[SEVEN]

-Management wishes to put all jet flying on 9E certificate and all prop flying on XJ certificate, Colgan will no longer exist

-All 3 pilot groups want single seniority list

-MEC expects transition to be 2 years (based on NW DL merger)

-Contract is status quo for the transition time

-If XJ planes are moved around, XJ pilots will go with them per section 1

-DL and XJ to discuss flowthrough next week, remains unchanged for now

-Crappy 9E travel benefits start 2011

 

[redflyer65]

Welcome to the suck that is called Pinnicale Mr. Seven.

 

[Raoul Duke]

why would the Mesaba pilots want to be on a single list - they would be much better off keeping separate lists.

 

[BoilerUP]

why would the Mesaba pilots want to be on a single list - they would be much better off keeping separate lists.

Because a single list means NO WHIPSAW.

 

[Raoul Duke]

but so long as their scope gives them the right to those planes (which the post above indicates) they have no risk of losing anything - which is the typical use of the wipsaw. (i.e. agree to this or lose your flying - i.e. Trans States). As soon as you eliminate the ability to take away their flying they are better served on a separate certificate. It also forces Pinnacle to put all of the aircraft at one base to justify the maintenance expenses which prevents everyone from getting shuffled all over the place.

 

[Cardinal]

why would the Mesaba pilots want to be on a single list - they would be much better off keeping separate lists.

Negative. Unless they WANT to fight to the last nickel for every seat in every aircraft.

 

[Cardinal]

but so long as their scope gives them the right to those planes (which the post above indicates) they have no risk of losing anything - which is the typical use of the wipsaw. (i.e. agree to this or lose your flying - i.e. Trans States). As soon as you eliminate the ability to take away their flying they are better served on a separate certificate. It also forces Pinnacle to put all of the aircraft at one base to justify the maintenance expenses which prevents everyone from getting shuffled all over the place.

That's short sighted. In a couple years when the CRJ9000XWB-400 or whatever new shiny jet is on order management will ask "who wants to fly these? We need a low rate to be competitive" and then each seniority list would face the moral hazard of underbidding to stay employed and/or upgrade.

 

[Flyer1015]

Ditto to above. Remember Freedom A at Mesa? We need one list with a fair integration. Delta/NWA did it, so can we. Just don't let it be like US Airways / AWA.

 

[johnsonrod]

Single list or STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[WSurf]

Smart move! Definitely single carrier status or nothing! Hopefully the sell has the same mindset!

 

[i fly boxes]

one list no questions asked

 

[SEVEN]

Our MEC and 9E is already on board with the single list like Republic did and will be pushing for it. The question is, will management want it?

 

[xjgearbtch]

Please let's not forget there are THREE pilot groups here!!!! We need to make doubly sure that Colgan pilots are well represented in these life/career changing decisions. I know our MEC understands this but everyone in the pilot groups need to understand this to.

 

[SEVEN]

Please let's not forget there are THREE pilot groups here!!!! We need to make doubly sure that Colgan pilots are well represented in these life/career changing decisions. I know our MEC understands this but everyone in the pilot groups need to understand this to.

No one's forgetting that. I believe it will be one list with Relative Seniority Integration.....not Date of Hire. There is still a long road ahead for all 3 groups though.

 

[xjhawk]

why would the Mesaba pilots want to be on a single list - they would be much better off keeping separate lists.

Its simple-Pinnacle holdings has said that all the jets (higher pay) will be at Pinnacle and all the Props will be at Mesaba. That being said it is obvious that is one reason why MEsaba would want to have one list. Mesabas contract language says that the pilots will go with the aircraft.

I would think since we are all ALPA carriers it would be the date of hire intergration. But that being said many here at Mesaba understand that the colgan pilot group is very junior and would end up at the bottom of the new company-this issue needs to be negotiated since that would be wrong. If I were a colgan pilot I would not want Date of hire. The major issue here is what Pinnacle Holdings will want and fight for.

I would think we as one future pilot group we would need work together on this one. Get all the best that each pilot group has to offer and come to some sort of agreement on one seniority list.

 

[Raskal]

The sooner we're on one list the better, hopefully this will go smoothly, quickly and fairly.

 

[Smarta$$]

the sooner we're on one list the better, hopefully this will go smoothly, quickly and fairly.

+1......

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

ALL Colgan pilots go to the bottom of the list.

 

[kellwolf]

Someone posted the XJ scope on another site, and while it does say the pilots go with the aircraft, it doesn't say they go in their current positions. It says the company acquiring the aircraft must "offer employment" to the XJ guys. A SLI would let most (if not all) the XJ guys keep their seats. I can guaran-damn-tee you if 9E management reads that scope and twists it like they did our scope when they bought Colgan, the "offer of employment" will be a first year FO slot even for the most senior XJ -900 CA.

 

[i fly boxes]

then me must fight to not allow that to happen to them.