Mesaba D Day

[TAWS]

D'Angelo and Mesaba 2425 can suck mngt's di@# !!!!! Good job on standing strong guys!! - from a furloughed XJ'er.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Im not too suprised at this. Judges dont really like treaded into uncharted waters. I believe the time has not quite come yet. However one day a ruling will be the opposite and it will be exciting new waters to explore. Its kind of like being christopher columbus you never know where the journey is going to take you. Hopefully it takes you to where rouge unionism starts to come to an end.

The judge said this.

"This, of course, was the opposing doomsday scenario projected during the
proceedings on this motion.97 We are, apparently, to believe that a strike is utterly unavoidable, and
that it would be so universally supported that it would bring down the Debtor’s operation. This, then,
is supposed to make rejection-and-imposition a nuclear option that simply should not be
countenanced."

The number one factor opposing rejection, the union still has influence when it counts.

 

[Hanger 10]

I would consider the XJ experiance the "rouge" managment. Stop with the ALPA bashing. ALPA still has funtion. XJ case in point. Management will take advantage of employees as far and as long as possible to pad their pockets. Labor will take advantage of windfall profits to raise their standard of living. Balance of power in economic cycles. Without colective bargining I would be making poverty wages. "FAIR". Take a history class about the economics of the Guilded age. It may be enlighting. If you object to ALPA so much, go to work for Colgan or ************************* and you can enjoy union free company. Maybe this will bring and end to "Rouge" mgt.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Maybe D...hopefully it will be against you, then you can have your wish of working for sub Mesa wages and rules.

 

[Soverytired]

Did the airline business make me a cynic?

I can't help but think that this judge dosen't really care if Mesaba survives or not .. . they're chump change in the grand scheme.

Think about it . . .. Delta, United, Northwest . . . they all got to dump everything (or would have, had there not been last second agreements) including wages, benifits, pensions, etc. That's because the judges didn't want to be responsible for 50,000++ people being out of work.

No so Mesaba . . we're talking what? 5000/6000 max?

Good job on hanging tough . . . but I'm not sure if this really means Mesaba is going to be around 1 year from now.

 

[XJohXJ]

Soverytired...

You might be right, and many XJ employees have clearly stated that if XJ management is so absurdly incompetent as to not be able to succeed with the currently already very low labor rates they have, they should not be in business and we would all be better off in the long run somewhere else. Our current contracts are very reasonable if not already too low for a decent QOL. It is up to our management to do their jobs, and manage instead of just being a bunch of stupid jerks. Sink or swim.

 

[AdamKooper]

I'm starting to think D'Angelo is just a troll trying to start stuff in every thread.

 

[CubanSmoker]

Thanks again AdamKooper!

I had some point to make and I'm sure it would have been earth shattering... But then I saw your avatar and now I have no idea what I wanted to say but suddenly I want to check out some "other" websites.

 

[Hanger 10]

d'Angelo,

You have no foundation in airline history. Eastern & Continental? 1990's? Think and read before you open your write. Practice what you preach and go to work at a non-union company. Benidict Arnold

You make me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[D'Angelo]

d'Angelo,

You have no foundation in airline history. Eastern & Continental? 1990's? Think and read before you open your write. Practice what you preach and go to work at a non-union company. Benidict Arnold

You make me sick!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ya eastern went really well!!!!!! They all ended up in the unemployment line and no one gave a crap about their sacrifice! Their flying was quickly replaced once they liquidated! I will not quit just because I dont like the union. I will instead work to get rid of forced unionism. Thats the only fair way really. Get rid of forced dues and maintenance fees. So what I am a traitor just because I can see the reality that unions have definately done some good things in the past. The problem is they are no longer needed. People still cling to the past too much and that is the main problem. Unions still act like its a regulated buisness. Sorry to say however the market sets pay rates now not hostage taking unions.

 

[D'Angelo]

I'm starting to think D'Angelo is just a troll trying to start stuff in every thread.

So you have to resort to name calling just because you don't like what I say. The truth is definately painful I dont argue with that

 

[kmox29]

I will not quit just because I dont like the union. I will instead work to get rid of forced unionism.

I will not quit just because they want to turn my profession into a job, I'm going to stay and fight for what I believe is right.

I applaud you for actually fighting for something. But doesn't that go against your mantra of, "If you don't like it quit"? It would seem you might be a little hypocritical:

If you don't like the wages you have every right to leave for better destinations.

If you don't like the results of your CBA you can always quit.

Remember if you get enough people together you can always walk any time you want, there is no law against quitting.

 

[D'Angelo]

I will not quit just because they want to turn my profession into a job, I'm going to stay and fight for what I believe is right.

I applaud you for actually fighting for something. But doesn't that go against your mantra of, "If you don't like it quit"? It would seem you might be a little hypocritical:

I did say that however I am talking about putting an end to being FORCED to do something. As far as pay goes no one FORCES anyone to do anything.