Mesaba D Day

[Smarta$$]

Fight to keep wages in the middle? PLease save your drama for brodway. You will be trying out for plays on brodway if you all keep blindly following your union into the shredder.

Come on dude, please tell me that you dont actually believe these things you say? Your have to pulling our legs right?

 

[D'Angelo]

Come on dude, please tell me that you dont actually believe these things you say? Your have to pulling our legs right?

Im being absolutely serious. We should all know by now that if you truly want to be wealthy you will never get that way unless your either in management or have your own sucessful buisness. Your never going to get rich being someone elses employee. You have to take life by the horns if you wanna truly be making the huge money. Im perfectly happy not having to work much livin it up making FAIR wages. There is no race to the bottom this is simply the market saying stop wasting our time shooting for the moon. If we all stay in the middle there will be no pay cuts to take. Its clear skies from here

 

[kmox29]

To be fair, I have aviation in my blood, but I also believe in living above the poverty line. I also believe in my employer surviving. There is a way to balance the two alot of management hasn't figured it out though.

My reference was to our CEO stating that our FOs would accept a 20% paycut because they have "aviation in their blood". How much of your "aviation blood" pays your mortgage?

 

[arthompson]

I think you're misunderstanding my statement. I was commenting in support of XJ crews. I understand that Spanjers said you guys would take a cut because you have "aviation in your blood". I was stating that I have aviation in my blood, but I believe in living above the poverty line, meaning that I'm not willing to work for horrible even sub poverty wages just because I have "aviation in my blood". I also said I believe in my employer surviving, meaning that cost cuts are neccessary for a company to survive. I also stated "There is a way to balance the two that alot of management hasn't figured out yet." They can cut cost in other places and then if labor cuts are neccessary go that route.

I by no means believe that your FO's or *ANY* of the work groups at XJ should take a 20% pay cut, especially if the executive office has not shown any cuts to their own wages.

 

[wmudriver]

My money (a couple of wooden nickels) is that it will get extended one more week with an absolute deadline. The judge sounds like he is pushing them towards a TA rather than him making a decision. If he makes a decision that favors the pilots, that may set a precedent in the negoatiations with MX and FA's. He has his decision made, all 97 pages of it, its just a matter of him pulling the trigger.

 

[gearjockey]

(EL) D'iablo:

I'm glad you're on these forums telling it like it is. I believe you may have psychological issues seeing as you entered into this industry knowing full well a solid majority of your co-workers were unionized. I know you don't believe that but everyone on this forum is telling you you're wrong so obviously you must have some mental defect. I usually scan the Hanger threads for interesting dialouge and can be on and off in about ten minutes. Your posts, however, generate countless rebuttals between you and everyone else allowing me to enjoy many enertaining sessions on-line. Thank you for that.
BTW, the realestate market in CVG is one of the worst in the country so thumbs down for the self-congratulatory props. Keep it up playa.

Count me as one who disagrees with 99% of what you write.

 

[DTWFO]

Hint: If you just ignore him, he will stop posting

 

[mesaba2425]

Maybe now the union will start trying to help save the airline instead of chanting stupid slogans.

Don't forget the fancy signs they get to make.

 

[mesaba2425]

It is amazing how delisional he is. He actually thinks that people agree with his thinking. What a toolbox.

His posts are spot-on.

 

[xjhawk]

well, i think the judge has had enough...with that said, he will prob give another week........even though he has his decision in that packet he showed in court.....The million (in us FO's case, the 500 dollar) question is weather he will use the Comair ruling as a presedent???????? I say 500 dollar because thats what we will make under the new contract.......

Here is my question.....is it aviation hydraulic fluid or avgass running in my blood? and if so, does it pay more than the plasma i already sell out of my body?

 

[D'Angelo]

Don't forget the fancy signs they get to make.

hahaha oh ya I almost forgot! Its comforting to know our dues go toward markers, glue, computer programs and other things to make such fun designs. I wonder what the next ALPO slogan will be. They are so clever with their use of the word Balls and hold the line and full pay til the last day.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Sorry D... Judge just ruled in the 3 unions favor in the 1113c at Mesaba. Just like with the FA's at Comair....

 

[Hanger 10]

d'angelo

You are a peice of work. I can tell you never got past econ 101. The guilded age is over. You can accept your failure in life, but the rest of us will continue to fight for a "FAIR" wage. Bend over for management you will enjoy it.

XJ employee

 

[D'Angelo]

d'angelo

You are a peice of work. I can tell you never got past econ 101. The guilded age is over. You can accept your failure in life, but the rest of us will continue to fight for a "FAIR" wage. Bend over for management you will enjoy it.

XJ employee

I was fairly certain the judge would rule against the company. These are exciting new grounds that haven't been tested yet. We arent quite ready for a successful motion however it will be successful some day. The cats out of the bag though. Unions simply got way too out of control over the years asking for outrageous things. I actually did get past econ 101. I realize that the glory days are over and you cant just keep raising ticket fares to justify outlandish wages. Regulation ended long ago, its time to start acting like it.

 

[D'Angelo]

Sorry D... Judge just ruled in the 3 unions favor in the 1113c at Mesaba. Just like with the FA's at Comair....

Im not too suprised at this. Judges dont really like treaded into uncharted waters. I believe the time has not quite come yet. However one day a ruling will be the opposite and it will be exciting new waters to explore. Its kind of like being christopher columbus you never know where the journey is going to take you. Hopefully it takes you to where rouge unionism starts to come to an end.

 

[TAWS]

D'Angelo and Mesaba 2425 can suck mngt's di@# !!!!! Good job on standing strong guys!! - from a furloughed XJ'er.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Im not too suprised at this. Judges dont really like treaded into uncharted waters. I believe the time has not quite come yet. However one day a ruling will be the opposite and it will be exciting new waters to explore. Its kind of like being christopher columbus you never know where the journey is going to take you. Hopefully it takes you to where rouge unionism starts to come to an end.

The judge said this.

"This, of course, was the opposing doomsday scenario projected during the
proceedings on this motion.97 We are, apparently, to believe that a strike is utterly unavoidable, and
that it would be so universally supported that it would bring down the Debtor’s operation. This, then,
is supposed to make rejection-and-imposition a nuclear option that simply should not be
countenanced."

The number one factor opposing rejection, the union still has influence when it counts.

 

[Hanger 10]

I would consider the XJ experiance the "rouge" managment. Stop with the ALPA bashing. ALPA still has funtion. XJ case in point. Management will take advantage of employees as far and as long as possible to pad their pockets. Labor will take advantage of windfall profits to raise their standard of living. Balance of power in economic cycles. Without colective bargining I would be making poverty wages. "FAIR". Take a history class about the economics of the Guilded age. It may be enlighting. If you object to ALPA so much, go to work for Colgan or ************************* and you can enjoy union free company. Maybe this will bring and end to "Rouge" mgt.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Maybe D...hopefully it will be against you, then you can have your wish of working for sub Mesa wages and rules.

 

[Soverytired]

Did the airline business make me a cynic?

I can't help but think that this judge dosen't really care if Mesaba survives or not .. . they're chump change in the grand scheme.

Think about it . . .. Delta, United, Northwest . . . they all got to dump everything (or would have, had there not been last second agreements) including wages, benifits, pensions, etc. That's because the judges didn't want to be responsible for 50,000++ people being out of work.

No so Mesaba . . we're talking what? 5000/6000 max?

Good job on hanging tough . . . but I'm not sure if this really means Mesaba is going to be around 1 year from now.