Mesa

[hyperboy]

Does anyone out there have the Mesa application? I have accidentally erased pages 6-15. Thank you in advance for your time. PM me and I can get you an email address.

 

[got_jumpseat?]

youre fired

youre fired

 

[khsgt]

Just e-mail Lori Clark ( i presume she is where you got the application), and she would be happy to help I am sure. She was extremely helpful to me when I had a similar problem. Good luck.

 

[KINGAIR PIC]

Where can one find out the way to go about getting the application with Mesa in the first place? What are their minimums, how much are they hiring, and what a/c are they hiring into?

 

[jetdriven]

PM me with your email for an app.

they are hiring into the DHC-8, CRJ-700/900. CRJ-200 and the 1900. everything except the ERJ. Newhire classes havent really started yet with all 150 CCAIR pilots returning plus the 50 or so j4j pilots but it will happen.

i would think 1000TT with 100+ multi you'd get a look. jet or turbine time is a definate plus. we have hired colgan pilots with 1900 types before too.

 

[big dog1]

If you get hired in to a turbo prop you'll be stuck in in it for at least 4 or 5 years making no money while everyone hired in to the jet thier 2 year making $10,000 more , it all in our new wonderful contract My advise is to stay away

 

[ACE]

I agree with bigdog. Mesa is the trash of the industry. Stay away.

 

[got_jumpseat?]

From the Comair Vatican

I agree with bigdog. Mesa is the trash of the industry. Stay away.

Hey ACE, if Mesa sucks so much and you really want to help hyperboy why dont you send this kid an application then! Oh yeah, when you start hiring again in what, 2008?

Actually I got a better idea, stop telling people at Mesa how to vote, when to strike, when to quit, get hired what ever the hell else it is you Com Air guys try and pontificate to the rest of the regional industry. Dont you have bigger fish to fry with mainline delta? Stop worrying about what Mesa is doing and go worry about your own shop.

Mesa was good to me even though it was never perfect I got more than I bargained for. Everything they advertised to me I got and then some. I was never on reserve not once, I passed up upgrades in the Beech and Dash 8 for a commutable schedule in the right seat RJ and in less than three years I got out of Mesa to my dream job. Unlike you Comair guys the regionals are NOT my home. I used them, they used me. It is understood.

When you come to realize you will never get everybody to think exactly the way you do you will be much happier. Stop trashing Mesa. You Comair guys looked so professional on TV back in 2001. Why must you get so pissed when another airline isnt exactly the same as you. Other regionals should have had it so nice get to negotiate a fat contract right at the peak of the industry. I know you all think Comair is your final destination but there are some of us that have no interest in making a career in the regionals.

Let hyperboy make his own decision! If what Mesa offers fits his lifestyle then lay off. If what Comair offers is more his style then he will choose that. Maybe he wants to upgrade quick he will choose a turboprop seat at Mesa, he can camp out in one of the RJ's in PHX or DEN too or if he wants to be an FO for 12 years in Atlanta or Cincinnati he'll go to Comair.

 

[the turtle]

Schmack!!!

 

[big dog1]

How are you going to upgrade fast as hell JO is having a hard time financing jets as is we only have a firm order for 40 after J4J thier is only 100 or so upgrades I work at Mesa and it sucks here and I know i can always leave But I wont throw away my senority so I can start over this guy needs to no thier is no pros only cons if he goes to mesa!

 

[mckpickle]

Re: From the Comair Vatican

Hey ACE, if Mesa sucks so much and you really want to help hyperboy why dont you send this kid an application then! Oh yeah, when you start hiring again in what, 2008?

Actually I got a better idea, stop telling people at Mesa how to vote, when to strike, when to quit, get hired what ever the hell else it is you Com Air guys try and pontificate to the rest of the regional industry. Dont you have bigger fish to fry with mainline delta? Stop worrying about what Mesa is doing and go worry about your own shop.

Mesa was good to me even though it was never perfect I got more than I bargained for. Everything they advertised to me I got and then some. I was never on reserve not once, I passed up upgrades in the Beech and Dash 8 for a commutable schedule in the right seat RJ and in less than three years I got out of Mesa to my dream job. Unlike you Comair guys the regionals are NOT my home. I used them, they used me. It is understood.

When you come to realize you will never get everybody to think exactly the way you do you will be much happier. Stop trashing Mesa. You Comair guys looked so professional on TV back in 2001. Why must you get so pissed when another airline isnt exactly the same as you. Other regionals should have had it so nice get to negotiate a fat contract right at the peak of the industry. I know you all think Comair is your final destination but there are some of us that have no interest in making a career in the regionals.

Let hyperboy make his own decision! If what Mesa offers fits his lifestyle then lay off. If what Comair offers is more his style then he will choose that. Maybe he wants to upgrade quick he will choose a turboprop seat at Mesa, he can camp out in one of the RJ's in PHX or DEN too or if he wants to be an FO for 12 years in Atlanta or Cincinnati he'll go to Comair.

You are not allowed to talk anymore. You had your voice and you used it by being JO's spanking boy. So shut your hole and let the rest of us try to salvage what is left of this industry that you have helped bring down.

 

[mullet]

Re: From the Comair Vatican

...less than three years I got out of Mesa to my dream job...

Well, out with it! What's your dream job? Curios??

 

[beechdriver]

Re: Re: From the Comair Vatican

You are not allowed to talk anymore. You had your voice and you used it by being JO's spanking boy. So shut your hole and let the rest of us try to salvage what is left of this industry that you have helped bring down.

For christs sake, at least READ THE POST BEFORE YOU REPLY!!! He's not even at Mesa anymore - therefore DIDN'T EVEN VOTE! I'll tell you what, though, I am STILL here at MESA, and I *DID* VOTE YES. And, you know what? Given the circumstances I'd do it again, today, right now. I honestly don't give a rats a$$ what YOU or anyone else thinks I should have done with my vote - it's between ME and my FAMILY...and (sorry to burst your "we're all a big happy brotherhood of pilots who put our bretheren ahead of all else and to hell with the consequences let's let this frigging company burn to the ground for the sake of our brothers" bubble) THEY came first - even ahead of YOU and your hopes of a pay raise, mckpickle! I'm sick to death of all this finger pointing at Mesa. We did what we felt we had to do - PERIOD. Our contract is just that - OUR CONTRACT. Almost 80% of our group voted yes alongside me. EVERY SINGLE no-voter I've talked to has had for their vote was JUST as selfish as mine were. They voted no because they felt that having the contract pass would be bad for THEM personally. They didn't give any more thought to the Mr. Mcpickles out there than I did. It's pathetically easy to sit on the outside and point fingers when the welfare of YOUR family isn't hanging in the crosshairs. When it came down to it, EVERYONE voted in their own best interests. Oh, and save the crap about us dragging down the rest of the industry, because this industry has been circling the toilet for quite some time.

 

[mckpickle]

It may have been circling the toilet but you guys opened the flapper. Face it you voted yes because you were scared. You have no insight and no sense of history. Otherwise you would have understood that you were condemned to repeat it. The excuse that you did this for your family is short sighted and weak. If you really thought it through than maybe you would think about the next 10 years as opposed to the next 2. Ah the heck with it. we will never agree on this issue. But rest assured you have lost the respect of the entire industry. People will think well of you when their company goes to them and says, well we can't give you a livable wage because Mesa can undercut us and take the flying away. Yes my friend, you will be loved.

 

[j41driver]

Re: From the Comair Vatican

...Stop worrying about what Mesa is doing and go worry about your own shop.

The problem with this arises when our management comes to us within a few days after Mesa ratified their P.O.S. contract and says "Hey guys I know we used to compare ourselves with Comair, Air Wisky, SkyWest, etc. but now we've got Mesa going around undercutting all of our bids since they don't cost as much as we do.....so we need concessions from you to compete with them and their shiny new contract. Oh, by the way, we're going to furlough 197 pilots also."

So you see, what Mesa does directly affects what goes on in our own shop. Mesa....78% a$$holes.

 

[KingAirKiddo]

Right on J41Driver.

As far as I'm concerned, part of the reason I'm furloughed from ACA right now with no recall in sight is because 78% of these turkeys didn't know their worth as PROFESSIONAL pilots and ended up undercutting the rest of us right out of a fricking job.

At least CHQ, Express Jet, etc. are trying to obtain better contracts. Mesa and their insult of a contract just nixed that effort and sent the rest of us back in time.

Oh, well...I'm just hoping to get my corporate job back so I won't be in the middle of this crap anymore.

 

[Beechnut]

I can only hope we stay interested in this subject enough to ruin future postings regarding Mesa. This subject should NEVER be lived down.

S.

 

[walkthasky]

my .02

F .... MESA

 

[localizer11]

I'm new here but I noticed the mesa guys taking a real beating. Bring me up to speed. I know they never went on strike. Did they get released from mediation? Were they even in mediation? Was the TA the first and only offer from mgt? How was it received at the roadshows? How did your MEC sell it?

 

[Dieterly]

Funny how regional baby jet drivers are ripping MESA pilots for their new contract (which by the way got all CC air guys their jobs back), when your own contracts are just garbage, compared to AWA, JB, or even Airtran (won't mention your mainline partners) . Do you realize you are flying jets on mainline routes for peanuts, with little, or no benefits? So what if\MESA lowerd the bar a bit, you just got some taste of your own medecin

 

[Jetsnake]

In my opinion only, MESA should have not
even have thought about there contract.
It has underlined what every regional
ALPA carrier has worked for. For all that ALPA
matters to the regional's.

Mesa's MEC should be castrated.
As far as I'm concerned. The Mesa pilot group
caved in like a bunch of weak #ick's.
The Mesa pilot group has just lowered the
standard amongst the regional pilot group.
Where is there justification on agreeing to
to such a petty contract.

While I paid and supported COMAIR during
there strike, they showed integrity and
perseverance.

From what I've seen, The Mesa pilots caved
in like IRAQI's soilders. You have merged
your senority list with the FREEDOM Air pilots.
What really sicken's me is this, you call yourself
Freedom Air and even want to be associated
with such a name at this time with our American
Soldiers laying out their own blood so you can
call yourself Mesa(FREEDOM AIR). You guys sicken
me. You have lowered yourself to POND SCUM.
Or as the Random House College Dictionary defines
the word MESA "Having a flat top and steep walls"
Sounds like Frankenstien to me.
Just another frickin' monster.
I think the next best placement for a MOAB bomb
is Farmington N.M. (not on the people of Farmington,
just MESA's training ground).

As your Chief Pilot put out a memo to all pilots restricting
Skywest from jumpseating. Does this include, Southwest,
Air Tran, Jet Blue, and others not associated with ALPA.
Or does this just show what a "Knob Lips" your leader is.
And that your willing to follow in such a remorsefulness
manner.

Your pilot group will always be allowed to jumpseat on
my companies aircraft, however, let it be known, you
will hear my opinoin on what you have done to lower
the standards of our industry.

You must be proud of yourself's, I liken you to the personality
of Susan Sarandon and Sean Peen.

"Dead Man Walking"

Jetsnake

 

[MetroSheriff]

Funny how regional baby jet drivers are ripping MESA pilots for their new contract (which by the way got all CC air guys their jobs back), when your own contracts are just garbage, compared to AWA, JB, or even Airtran (won't mention your mainline partners) . Do you realize you are flying jets on mainline routes for peanuts, with little, or no benefits? So what if\MESA lowerd the bar a bit, you just got some taste of your own medecin

Flame bait....

 

[mckpickle]

Funny how regional baby jet drivers are ripping MESA pilots for their new contract (which by the way got all CC air guys their jobs back), when your own contracts are just garbage, compared to AWA, JB, or even Airtran (won't mention your mainline partners) . Do you realize you are flying jets on mainline routes for peanuts, with little, or no benefits? So what if\MESA lowerd the bar a bit, you just got some taste of your own medecin

Ok I'll bite. UMMMMMM Maybe because we have 50 seats and you have 150? Not sure maybe thats why. Hey do you really think we want to fly RJ's for the rest of our lives? No stupid, we want heavy metal, but 1/2 the mainline pilot groups just sell scope out the window. If some of the mainlines had half a brain they would embrace the RJ and bring them in and onto the list so that you could control them. You know managment is going to get their way anyway, so why not join your lists so that mainline pilots are flying those routes.

Basicaly shut your hole if you caved on scope. Except for the RJ defence nuts, we want to be scoped out so that RJ's do not grow like a weed and the mainline flying is preserved. Hence then WE move up the ranks.

 

[Bluestreaker]

i'll bite on this one too.

Funny how regional baby jet drivers are ripping MESA pilots for their new contract (which by the way got all CC air guys their jobs back), when your own contracts are just garbage, compared to AWA, JB, or even Airtran (won't mention your mainline partners) . Do you realize you are flying jets on mainline routes for peanuts, with little, or no benefits? So what if\MESA lowerd the bar a bit, you just got some taste of your own medecin

Yes we realize we are flying mainline routes for penuts. The thing is more and more of the mainline routs are going to the "baby jets" now a days and they will continue to go that way because it's cheaper. all these people that voted yes on that horrible contract think they are going to use the regionals as a stepping stone and go on to something better within the next few years better like having 8 days a month off on reserve because they aren't going to be going anywhere soon. These people dont realize that the regional level is where a lot of us are going to end our careers so we might as well start trying to make it a better place to work.


Later

 

[DarnNearaJet]

Originally posted by Dieterly
"Funny how regional baby jet drivers are ripping MESA pilots for their new contract (which by the way got all CC air guys their jobs back), when your own contracts are just garbage, compared to AWA, JB, or even Airtran (won't mention your mainline partners) . Do you realize you are flying jets on mainline routes for peanuts, with little, or no benefits? So what if\MESA lowerd the bar a bit, you just got some taste of your own medecin "

America West? A contract that pays 757 captains slightly more than RJ rates?

 

[Intruder One]

Let me state this one more time...........they did not do CCAir any favors by bringing them in at 4yr. pay and benefits.Most I've talked to have 10yrs. or more hate Mesa and hate having to go to work there,but they know there is no other choice.They will make less flying RJ's than they did flying Dash-8's.I wish people would stop posting that they got CCAir back like that was a big plus,maybe for the bottom third but thats about it!

 

[kevin_p]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 4 year pay is higher than unemployment, right? Sounds to me like CCAir pilots are better off now...but what do I know?

 

[AceCrackshot]

I have a hypothetical question...

If ALPA would signed off on CCAir's last contract rather than letting them die, wouldn't that create a situation where Freedom wouldn't have existed, and the Mesa guys could have negotiated without having to fight the leverage of Freedom?

Between that whole dance and J4J, ALPA national is batting .1000 in my book.

So, ALPA national is doing everyone all sorts of favors...as long as they aren't pilots.

 

[mullet]

when your own contracts are just garbage, compared to AWA, JB, or even Airtran (won't mention your mainline partners) . Do you realize you are flying jets on mainline routes for peanuts, with little, or no benefits?

Ignore Dieterly, he's former Mesa pilot. He post's flame bait and when quesitioned on his former Mesa/regional Employment he disappears.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 4 year pay is higher than unemployment, right? Sounds to me like CCAir pilots are better off now...but what do I know?

Here's more good news kevin, when your dead you don't have to pay taxes!!!!

 

[jetdriven]

america west tops out at 115$ per hour at year 15 for the 757 captain, I dont hear anyone bitching about them.

The reason for all the concessions is the economy, stupid. Same thing is happening at American, United, USAirways, hawiaan, and many others. None of this is mesa's fault. it would happen even if we did nto exist.

I'm new here but I noticed the mesa guys taking a real beating. Bring me up to speed. I know they never went on strike. Did they get released from mediation? Were they even in mediation? Was the TA the first and only offer from mgt? How was it received at the roadshows? How did your MEC sell it?

we could not get a release, the mediator was an ass-kissing company sympathiser. we were in mediation for about 9 months. The TA was the FIRST counter offer or offer from management EVER. They only offered it and engaged with our MEC when they were certain Freedom could exist without mesa. The MEDC was told to accept the deal today. Tomorrow we will not discuss it or negotiate further. The roadshows' tone was this: this is the best deal we can get, it is the only deal, and if we turn it down JO will shut us down just like CCAIR.


The two loudest ass.holes in this forum are from air wisconsin. They dont seem to understand that an airline in mediation during the absolute zenith of the economy's boom times with plenty of strike leverage can get a better contract than us in the current times. Its the f.ucking economy stupid!!!
We had an alter-ego carrier that was taking our flying, in fact mesa was going to furlough 200 the next day. JO had a rent holiday lined up for the mesa jets, wehich would take 90 days to shift to freedom and midatlantic. he was going to do it.

Voting yes meant getting CCAIR back to work. The continued existence of mesa and air midwest. Removing the threat of freedom airlines. and INDUSRY LEADING IRON CLAD SCOPE.