MESA strikes again- Jet blast injuries at ORD

[Rogue5]

Whats with all the Mesa attempted kamikaze attacks on SkyWest as of late?

First the runway incursion at LAX a few months back, now blasting bag carts at passengers?

 

[JohnnyP]

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done....and its yes....if the bright eyed, subsidised by mommy and daddy, pilot wouldnt want to fly the biggest plane he can get his hands on so he can tell people hes a pilot AND throws banana peels in front of other pilots to get the so called coveted 1000 pic ,he IS a part of the problem and a BIG part of it.....

how can pilots at a major stand a chance to negotiate anything when there are thousands of little Johnnys nipping at their heels that will fly their planes and routes for less than minimum wage......

marinated.....

I guess I should have rephrased, I dont think it was the little Johnnys that had anything to do with it originally, thats pretty obvious. I can agree that having someone drooling over flying some little jet and getting paid peanuts for it is part of the problem and will be a road block for any future progress, if any progress is even possible at this point.

So the current state wasnt caused by the guy drooling over a jet, but the future sure will be. I think thats a fair way to put it.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

Which airline took off on the wrong runway? Oh, that's right - Comair. And you guys bash Mesa? Lol

 

[dhc8drvr]

Mesa has been in growth mode for years and probably has some of the lowest time Captains out there. Mistakes are made and the PIC should be dealt with according to the circumstances.

Quit bashing each other for something that could easily happen to you tomorrow, and if you think you're immune you've already broken the first link in the accident chain.

Entertaining thread...........

 

[Steveair]

Change the Name of the Thread

I think it should be "Mesa BLOWS"

and then once you open the thread, have the story.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Word is United will drop them plane by plane soon and will only have a few left in DCA.

Delta is also going to drop them and their 36 pos erjs they have.

US Air HATES them

Its finally starting. Mesa will finally start shrinking because they offer such a bad product with unsafe pilots.

Really Super? Mesa has all the unsafe pilots??? Was it mesa that " DUDE! 4-1-0'd IT" into the dirt? Was it mesa that almost look the wrong plane. Then took off an unlight 3500 runway in the dark and BBQ'd the passengers? Was it mesa that went off the runway in MKE after continuing with a hydraulic failure, or took off with out a clearence in BOS???

SuperKooter why don't you try shut'n your mouth. You could be the next incident that ends up being talked about on this board. You might want to watch it before you make comments like that.

 

[Cows Go Moo]

Quit bashing each other for something that could easily happen to you tomorrow, and if you think you're immune you've already broken the first link in the accident chain.

Perfectly said.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

It appears every airline has pilots who simply lack situational awareness--this manifestation is just another example. Mesa, unfortunately, in this case is not alone.

 

[bingsatre]

the complaining and name calling is so frustrating to me.... i get blown all over the place by other airplanes... no doubt the cap that did this is dancing at the CP's office as we speak and I bet he or she feels like an a##.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

the complaining and name calling is so frustrating to me.... i get blown all over the place by other airplanes... no doubt the cap that did this is dancing at the CP's office as we speak and I bet he or she feels like an a##.

You have to remember that these people that are trying to make Mesa look bad are doing so for a reason. They are scared for their jobs. Do not take it personal, as most of these scmucks writing on here have ALOT less experience and are just satisfying the need to make themselves look important. Really, do not sweat it. At least we know how to line up on the CORRECT runway.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Why the link?

What's the significance of the FAA link? I suppose if somebody is trying to say SKYW is a major ORD prolblem, perhaps they should look at the chart again: 1) There are no locations listed, so to imply it and ORD connection is ridiculous--ORD ASSESS does not denote O'Hare, but rather outcome; 2) The gamut of those SKYW infractions involved record keeping, not operations; 3) What's the deal with no fine for SKYW, unless the first $49k speaks to all incidences as combined, as alluded? 4) Ouch, $2.5m in latest reported quarter courtesy of AMR; 5) How can the FAA be perpetually underfunded with that kind of additional income?

 

[RP170]

No big suprise.... I got jet blasted by mesa's ERJ-145 in DCA on the commuter ramp while doing the walk around.

Do those 145's need that much power to turn around? Always wondered why those aircraft get so reved up just to turn in the commuter ramp.

The CRJ turns just find with minimal speed and power at idle.

No surprise there. They aren't block or better. They are always in a hurry to try to under block and "screw the company." They always look like they are going to rotate when taxiing in ORD.

 

[fried chickens]

I was in a Southwest jumpseat the other day and after pushback the CA moved both thrust levers to T/O power then back to idle to get the plane moving. Wonder if anyone got jet blasted? Anyways, glad we weren't taking off a 3500 ft rwy or landing on a short rwy, in a snow storm, with a talewind.

 

[Cows Go Moo]

No surprise there. They aren't block or better. They are always in a hurry to try to under block and "screw the company." They always look like they are going to rotate when taxiing in ORD.

How does arriving under block time screw the company? Going under time only screws the pilots because it shortens the six-month-average segment times upon which Mesa pay is predicated. And if you're not taxiing as if you're trying to get somewhere in ORD, you'll eventually feel the wrath of a ground controller... "Enter the 32R Pad and don't say anything until I get back to you."

 

[RP170]

There is a difference between taxiing like you are going someplace and taxiing as if you are about to rotate in ORD. If Mesa underblocks they are getting payed for more time then they actually flew. Hence, it's more along the lines of block or better like all the rest of us get. I would be hurrying also if I was a Mesa pilot under these circumstances.

 

[Cows Go Moo]

If Mesa underblocks they are getting payed for more time then they actually flew. Hence, it's more along the lines of block or better like all the rest of us get. I would be hurrying also if I was a Mesa pilot under these circumstances.

To reiterate, shorter block times produce shorter segment times which equal less pay. Trust me. I'm a Mesa pilot. No one here is taxiing quickly to pull a fast one on the company. If there is any hurrying going on, and I think any perceived hurrying is only a recent illusion (I've seen everyone set land speed records on taxiways at ORD), it's simply to get somewhere because we're in the business of moving airplanes and nothing more.

 

[RP170]

To reiterate, shorter block times produce shorter segment times which equal less pay. Trust me. I'm a Mesa pilot. No one here is taxiing quickly to pull a fast one on the company. If there is any hurrying going on, and I think any perceived hurrying is only a recent illusion (I've seen everyone set land speed records on taxiways at ORD), it's simply to get somewhere because we're in the business of moving airplanes and nothing more.

I understand what you are saying and it does make sense. Your pilot group must have different views on this then. I've spoken with a Mesa pilot jumpseating on one of my flights and he stated that yes, you guys do try to underblock since you only receive segment pay.

 

[ImRickJames]

......I gotta agree....if they would have enough common sense to realize they arent flying a Seneca anymore and flying ACUTAL people around. They are really a bunch of inexperienced pilots and it shows......I would never get on one of their planes and will tell anyone in ear shot to do the same.

to call it an airshow is an insult to skilled pilots who work airshows......its more like a circus with kids who just got their license and are giddy they are in a jet.....( glosssy eyed kid with his sunglasses on his forehead dreaming how one day he will fly that 777 in front of him after he destroys that company too)

;-) I feel for the people that got hurt but am happy that there are 2 less Mesa morons out there to hurt anyone else.

After your comments, you fly a CRJ, who do you fly for? I hope not for a company that shuts down engines inflight or switches seats in flight or takes off of wrong runways. Safety?

 

[MELIT]

hey United!!! How's That Whole "let's Replace Awac With Cheaper Feed" Thing Working Out?

ha Ha Ha!!!

S!

Hey colgan guy, didn't you replace SkyWest in IAH for cheaper feed? Hows that working out CO?

 

[johndog]

The hallmark of the regional pilot mentality is this thread.

How embarrassing.