MESA strikes again- Jet blast injuries at ORD

[lookin4better]

the situational awareness comment above hits the nail on the head. Senority at your airline may allow someone to hold CA.......but in reality they are no where near ready for the responsibilty.

 

[ReverseSensing]

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[CA1900]

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[Cows Go Moo]

Single engine shouldn't be a big deal if you think what's behind before you add thrust. Not to bash Mesa again, but had the same experience with them in ORF. As they swung out of the parking space, the dipsh!t guns the thrust levers. I've never felt a plane shake as bad as ours did from the jet blast, not to mention the nice sandblasting we received. I thought we got plowed into by a 747. The F.O. looks out his window and says how that Mesa 145 just blasted out of his spot. Obviously the guy felt T/O thrust was needed to spin out. It was one of the most pathetic displays of "unsituational" awareness I've ever witnessed. A few seconds later a ramper comes up all pissed off. I asked him what was up. His response "@#*in' Mesa just blew over one of my rampers and he got some nice road rash. He also damaged one of our carts." He couldn't wait to file his report. Sounds like they might need rearview mirrors so they can watch the carnage they create.

To be fair, I've seen just about every regional jet operator be dumb. Not long ago one unnamed company (not Mesa) turned an E145 45 degrees or so out of its ramp spot so they could send their rampers away. Trouble was they didn't have a taxi clearance yet and it took a couple minutes to get one because ground and clearance were combined at the time. Usually not an issue, but the aircraft's ass end was right in our face while we were boarding at a distance of 75-100 feet. We operate these things in close quarters and often without jetways. You just have to think about what's behind you and be aware that you're throwing a good deal of air out the back.

 

[Soverytired]

Word is United will drop them plane by plane soon and will only have a few left in DCA.

Delta is also going to drop them and their 36 pos erjs they have.

US Air HATES them

Its finally starting. Mesa will finally start shrinking because they offer such a bad product with unsafe pilots.

(for Superkooters wet dream, please read the above quote)

BOTH HANDS ON THE KEYBOARD, SUPERKOOTER!

 

[JohnnyP]

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......I gotta agree....if they would have enough common sense to realize they arent flying a Seneca anymore and flying ACUTAL people around. They are really a bunch of inexperienced pilots and it shows......I would never get on one of their planes and will tell anyone in ear shot to do the same.

to call it an airshow is an insult to skilled pilots who work airshows......its more like a circus with kids who just got their license and are giddy they are in a jet.....( glosssy eyed kid with his sunglasses on his forehead dreaming how one day he will fly that 777 in front of him after he destroys that company too)

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Now think real, real hard about that. Are you SURE it was the glossy eyed kid who destroyed the airline and put it in its current state? Ya sure? Let that one marinate a while.

 

[Aerosurfer]

I've said it once and I'll say it again. You should have to get your CFII to get your ATP and you should have to have 1500 to fly part 121. It would make everything so much better.

Ok so all the banner towing and night cargo experience I had (1400hours) before I got hired with my first Regional is second rate to some schmuch with a uniform that has 2 stripes saying 'watch your altitude' 300 times a day.

Yeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhh, i dont think so.

 

[outtahere]

Ok so all the banner towing and night cargo experience I had (1400hours) before I got hired with my first Regional is second rate to some schmuch with a uniform that has 2 stripes saying 'watch your altitude' 300 times a day.

Yeeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhh, i dont think so.

I've got over 2000 dual given, and it really taught me how to fly, and cover my a$$. Any experiance is good, and single pilot IFR is probably the best. In reality, the biggest problem the regionals have are the guys trying to skip ahead of everyone else and thinking that 250 hrs is all they need to be professional pilots. These are the guys that go to places like Mesa and Hojets, and they deserve all of the bashing, and b!tch slapping they get. 1500 hrs should be the absolute min for a 121 airline. Unfortuanately you can't weed out all of the moron's who are willing to fly for free and would sell there soul for a bigger airplane. Two words, respect yourself! That would solve alot of problems.

 

[BLing]

Personal encounters as an ex ramper with jetblast tells me that airlines other than Mesa comit such acts. I have seen AWAC destroy the rotating cab of a jet bridge. I have personally been knocked over (on a contaminated ramp) by an Eagle ERJ. The best one yet, is that I was in the cab of a jet bridge that a Pinnacle CRJ (single engine Taxi) blew to pieces. Thank God i didnt get decaptiated from flying sheet metal.

 

[lookin4better]

Now think real, real hard about that. Are you SURE it was the glossy eyed kid who destroyed the airline and put it in its current state? Ya sure? Let that one marinate a while.

done....and its yes....if the bright eyed, subsidised by mommy and daddy, pilot wouldnt want to fly the biggest plane he can get his hands on so he can tell people hes a pilot AND throws banana peels in front of other pilots to get the so called coveted 1000 pic ,he IS a part of the problem and a BIG part of it.....

how can pilots at a major stand a chance to negotiate anything when there are thousands of little Johnnys nipping at their heels that will fly their planes and routes for less than minimum wage......

marinated.....

 

[jayme]

I'm not sure it's inexperience that causes these guys to gun it out of the gate. I bet it has something to do with being paid scheduled block, though. When you know you're getting paid by the minute you are far more likely to take your time.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

I'm not sure it's inexperience that causes these guys to gun it out of the gate. I bet it has something to do with being paid scheduled block, though. When you know you're getting paid by the minute you are far more likely to take your time.

Good point. Your are not in a hurry to get to your destination...

 

[FlyBunny]

When I've been at ORD, I can't remember how many times I've been unfortunate to be behind one of those idiots in the alley and when he gets his taxi clearance, proceeds to jam the thrust levers up blasting everything behind him in a swirl of dust and fod.

You can tell way too much thrust is used because the airplane rapidly accelerates to an excessive taxi speed screeching around the corner. You can almost see the F/A tumbling down the isle thru the windows.

I've concluded most of them aren't pilots but "airplane operators"............ham-fisted punks.

You'd think the F/O's would say something, but I guess 500 hours, a backpack and an ipod don't help.

With over 5,000 hours, NO backpack, and no 'ipod', didn't quite help the Delta pilot from a tail strike either.

Bunny

 

[FlyBunny]

Why would I need a CFII to be an effective Airline Transport Pilot?

Because someone on this board had to get hers and it took a long time, after YEARS of instruction, to finally secure an airline job.

Since it was not easy for them, why should it be easy for you?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

With over 5,000 hours, NO backpack, and no 'ipod', didn't quite help the Delta pilot from a tail strike either.

Bunny

Are you referring to the one that was doing an auto land and had a short final autopilot failure that tried to put the airplane in the line of airplanes sitting on the taxiway? The one which in the process of recovering the airplane from a sudden failure and getting it back on the runway the pilot had a tail strike? Is that the one?

If so, then well yes, I can see how that is just like some goober ham fisting the throttles during taxi and hurting people. Why its eerie how the two events are similar!

 

[Midnight Flyer]

You can tell way too much thrust is used because the airplane rapidly accelerates to an excessive taxi speed screeching around the corner. You can almost see the F/A tumbling down the isle thru the windows.

I've concluded most of them aren't pilots but "airplane operators"............ham-fisted punks.

You'd think the F/O's would say something, but I guess 500 hours, a backpack and an ipod don't help.

LOL:laugh:

 

[AvroJockey]

......I gotta agree....if they would have enough common sense to realize they arent flying a Seneca anymore and flying ACUTAL people around. They are really a bunch of inexperienced pilots and it shows......I would never get on one of their planes and will tell anyone in ear shot to do the same.

It doesn't matter what kind of airplane it is, this is completely unacceptable! Haven't you heard of minimum breaking thrust? Should have been taught to you before you soloed!

Some Pinnacle captians used to do this all the time when doing single engine taxis...tis very upsetting!

 

[FlyboyPhil]

Not that I really want to defend the lowtime mesa guys.. but I got blasted by Fedex one morning a few years back.. everyone can screw up regardless of total time or payscale.

 

[Pilot124]

I was a ramper for 6 years before I flew 121 and I have been blasted by every airline that flew into our airport (Class B). Because it's Mesa it just makes everybody's day on here. It shouldn't of happened regardless of which airline it was.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Not that I really want to defend the lowtime mesa guys.. but I got blasted by Fedex one morning a few years back.. everyone can screw up regardless of total time or payscale.

haha.

It's not an issue of "screwing up". It's not only about common sense, but also about obeying your specific company's training manual.
All 121 pilots know how much thrust it takes to get their specific aircraft moving from the ramp.
Any pilot using takeoff thrust for example just to get moving from the ramp is simply an being an impatient a$$hole. He's not screwing up, he know's exactly how far he's pushing up those thrust levers; he just dosen't give a $hit who or what is behind him.

Also, I wouldn't worry about getting blasted by a barbie jet. That's the equivelent of your wife turning her hair dryer on in your face