MESA Rwy Excursion??

[chperplt]

YD on?

Even if it was, a quick push of the button would/should/could have taken care of it the problem..

 

[starcheck1]

Whats so earth-shattering about that weather why the FO shouldn't land?? Especially now that we've found out he was PNF???

At that time the GENERAL public didn't know it wasn't the FO...and now the thought is why would anyone run of the runway in the WX anyway...sounds good to me...good thing no one is hurt and good luck to the pilots....maybe MX is to blame

 

[Beantown]

Man are people quick to jump to a bunch of B$ll S$it with NO FACTS! -Bean

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Face it. It could have been a lot of things. What if the fuel controller failed and dumped a bunch of fuel into the engine just before the nosewheel touched the pavement? It would be the same thing as the PNF shoving one power lever to the stop. Would you have the presence of mind to quickly shut down that engine as you're headed for the weeds?

I'm not trying to defend the pilots involved. Could have been totally preventable as some have speculated. But for right now, none of us has a clue and it's bad karma to be taking potshots. Same thing could happen to you on your next trip.

Fly (and land) safe.

 

[chperplt]

What if the fuel controller failed and dumped a bunch of fuel into the engine just before the nosewheel touched the pavement?

Wow... I never thought about that one. What if?????

 

[CA1900]

Indeed, we don't know the facts, so the speculation is meaningless.

To the suggestion that a deferred nosewheel steering system is "always an incident waiting to happen," you might be interested to know that the 1900s with the power steering system are always landed in free-caster mode (and taken off that way, for that matter). It isn't until we're down to slow taxi speed that the steering system is engaged at all; until then, it's rudder and brakes.

 

[chperplt]

you might be interested to know that the 1900s with the power steering system are always landed in free-caster mode

Interesting..... It's still not the safest way to operate in "my" opinion.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

Back when the Beech was in it's final days at COEX, we had a bad problem with one of the props going into ground fine (beta) when the power was pulled to idle in the flair. Any COEX beech guys can back me up on this: It was scary as Sh!+!
We would be a couple of feet off the ground, and all of the sudden, the plane would snap into about 20-30 degrees of yaw! Nothing like looking down the runway, and all of the sudden looking at the terminal! MX could never figure out the problem, and all the beeches were going to be at Gulfstream within a month or two, so they never tried hard to fix it. I'm amazed nobody took one off the runway back then......

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Indeed, we don't know the facts, so the speculation is meaningless.

To the suggestion that a deferred nosewheel steering system is "always an incident waiting to happen," you might be interested to know that the 1900s with the power steering system are always landed in free-caster mode (and taken off that way, for that matter). It isn't until we're down to slow taxi speed that the steering system is engaged at all; until then, it's rudder and brakes.

One advantage of the NWS being disabled until slow speed is better hardover protection. I've experienced unwanted NWS deflection above 80 knots and it gets your attention.

 

[chperplt]

we had a bad problem with one of the props going into ground fine (beta) when the power was pulled to idle in the flair

We had this problem all the time at Colon Air... I always attributed it to the sh!ty maintenance they did...

 

[blott]

Speaking of fuel controllers freaking out. Back in the day, in a SAAB, we lost torque for about 20 sec. on the #1 engine after rotation at 500'. CA pulled power to idle and turned back to the runway. On down wind we decided to shut it down or not-it seemed like it was ok now. It was summer, hot outside, and we had a full boat. We decided to leave it running just in case we needed it. Bad Idea. Memory idem for erradic(sp?) engine was something like push props to the stops-which disabled the torque motor.(tm added fuel in certain conditions). But I didn't pull the check list as we were on final about this time. We landed and going down the runway, #1 goes to 110%. exit stage right. So CA is full left on rudder, brake, and tiller. #1 goes back to idle, plane now hangs a hard left heading for the grass on the other side...#1 back to 110%.. This happens four times before I can kill #1. We taxi to gate, call mx. Mx comes out. we fire up #1 run it up a few times, no problem. Mx says nothing is wrong and ops checks good... we decide we aren't taking pax untill we test fly this thing. three times around the pattern-no problems. We load the pax back up. They don't look very happy at this point. On downwind I had made a PA to the back saying we had the "check engine light on", it was "nothing to worry about", and we were landing just in case. So they know I'm full of BS. Now I tell them the mx had fixed our engine and we were good to go. Meanwhile the pax had all been looking out the window of the terminal and had seen that the mx guy had never even been near the engine.... Flew the thing for three more leggs that day, no problems.


B

 

[SEFlyer]

No Air Midwest plane is equipped with NWS.

 

[flythere]

One scenario I've encountered on the mighty 1900 was landing in a good stiff crosswind, If I can remember right the ground idle solenoid was on the left squat switch. More than once I would plant the upwind gear firmly on the runway, only to have the the props go to ground fine, while the other two wheels were still in the air. It seemed to only be a problem when one governor was faster than the other!!! Then the plane would yaw severely to one side, it cought me by surprise a couple of times!!

I heard from a source that was there shortly after the Mesa excursion, apperently the crew missed the runway and landed in the infield, taking out some runway lights and doing some superficial damage to the airplane!!

 

[chperplt]

If I can remember right the ground idle solenoid was on the left squat switch

It's been a year, but I think it was on the right side.

 

[flythere]

It's been a year, but I think it was on the right side.

It's been over 3 years for me, honestly I can't remember, I just remember that being one of those thing's that would for sure get your attention!!!