Mesa out of BK

[sniper]

Debt free? Bk lets you reorganize but its up to the judge to determine how much they are going to get away with. Who knows maybe all the profit for the next 30 years will be used to pay back the creditors. Mesa's proposal will not be what we read. Its just that. A proposal to the judge. And it will be modified. If mesa cant put forth a plan that will pay back the creditors and make money they may be forced into chapter 7.

Chapter 7 wish is out of the question and mesa has an extension with airways

 

[sniper]

Debt free? Bk lets you reorganize but its up to the judge to determine how much they are going to get away with. Who knows maybe all the profit for the next 30 years will be used to pay back the creditors. Mesa's proposal will not be what we read. Its just that. A proposal to the judge. And it will be modified. If mesa cant put forth a plan that will pay back the creditors and make money they may be forced into chapter 7.

The creditors WILL be the new owners of Mesa

 

[sniper]

Actually, believe it or not, we do have a contract at ASA.

Mesa isn't coming out of bk- not without being picked up or pushed over the edge of the cliff by a competitor. Don't get me wrong- I'd love to help the Mesa pilots out. I'd have to say that of all the pilot groups that have helped me to get to work (commuting), Mesa pilots have been the friendliest and most accomodating. Good group of folks- I just hate that Ornstein couldn't provide the respect and dignity the people there deserved. Management failed you and you deserve better..............

That was towards a SKW pilot with no contract.

ASA? I know you have a contract.

 

[sniper]

So mesa in bk gets rid of all their 50 seaters. Then when exiting they find 20 million to buy a company with mostly 50 seaters. Just doesnt jive.

It will jive when the staple job comes. Your LOA with your 900 rates did the job for you.

payback is a b---

 

[JumpersAway]

That was towards a SKW pilot with no contract.

ASA? I know you have a contract.

WMS is an ASA pilot.

 

[sniper]

WMS is an ASA pilot.

Ok then his remark about assets does not fly. Did they buy ASAs assets only? No, they took the pilots as well. Well if they want Mesa they will have to take all their pilots as well.

And I hope that is what Mesa Mec and their chairman tells them.
Unless their Mec Chairman is spineless

 

[sniper]

SKYW will not merge with a union carrier. We have already have seen this with XE. They will buy assets and grow organically or operate them separately.

When they bought ASA how come they took you as well.

Worry about your merging and your number and let others decide their fate

 

[wms]

Ok then his remark about assets does not fly. Did they buy ASAs assets only? No, they took the pilots as well. Well if they want Mesa they will have to take all their pilots as well.

And I hope that is what Mesa Mec and their chairman tells them.
Unless their Mec Chairman is spineless

But the point is, they operate us separately so they don't have to merge our lists. Which is perfect for ASA, by the way. If SKYW buys Mesa they will operate them separately. It has nothing to do with what I want, IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY SKYW DOES BUSINESS.

They WILL NOT merge the list of an ALPA carrier with SKYW pilots...PERIOD.

It's either that or they will wait until someone liquidates and buy the assets. It's not mine nor any other pilots' decision. It's the way JA does business which, since it's his business, is his right to do.

 

[wms]

When they bought ASA how come they took you as well.

Worry about your merging and your number and let others decide their fate

I'm not worried about anything because worrying doesn't change a thing. Just telling you how SKYW does business.

Why are you so worried about it. It's not your deal.

 

[sniper]

I'm not worried about anything because worrying doesn't change a thing. Just telling you how SKYW does business.

Why are you so worried about it. It's not your deal.

You are correct. I am not there anymore, but I have a lot of friends there and while I was there I was very involved with ALPA.

Now as far as how skw does bussiness, you are wrong. Mesa Alpa gave them the boot 3 times not once, ask your MEC Chair Dave New------ or Vice Ster-----or the SAPA chairman Mike.



SKW did what, when they bought


ASA and Express jet, they took all of their pilots and if they want to play, they will do the same with Mesa.....

Now you are an ALPA pilot correct? you want ALPA policy for your merger dont you?

Why the f---- you wish something bad for other ALPA pilots at Mesa? or Comair, or you may feel otherwise about Comair pilots. Assets there as well? your thoughts.



BTW show me where SKW did bussiness as usual and picked up assets only, show me once they did that, comair?

Mormons are not as good as you think and I worked for a mormon in the past if you know what I mean.

Now if you are friends with Brad, your president relate all this please.


adios

 

[sniper]

But the point is, they operate us separately so they don't have to merge our lists. Which is perfect for ASA, by the way. If SKYW buys Mesa they will operate them separately. It has nothing to do with what I want, IT ALL HAS TO DO WITH THE WAY SKYW DOES BUSINESS.

They WILL NOT merge the list of an ALPA carrier with SKYW pilots...PERIOD.

It's either that or they will wait until someone liquidates and buy the assets. It's not mine nor any other pilots' decision. It's the way JA does business which, since it's his business, is his right to do.

You may want to call your president or MEC on that. You will be surprised that JA offered some kind of merge with the no union SKW but it was not good enough according to Mesa MEC.

Dont become an expert about how how SKW is doing bussiness if you dont know.........

Liquidation is out of the picture. SKW management gets that so its time for you and others on this FI to get it.

Creditors get more money to let them out of bk versus ch7
its all about the money as you know but scope and mackaskill bond federal ruling is SKW problem.

 

[mesaserf]

It has been reported that Airways is going to get about a 25% stake as part of the contract extention. I can now go get my propain tank filled for my camper in Mesa.

Looks like I will be staying after all....

 

[ex j-41]

It will jive when the staple job comes. Your LOA with your 900 rates did the job for you.

payback is a b---

For the record i voted NO. But regardless, both ALPA carriers equals DOH, not staple.
And the judge and creditors still have to approve the plan. It won't be what we have read.

 

[Fltlvls]

It has been reported that Airways is going to get about a 25% stake as part of the contract extention. I can now go get my propain tank filled for my camper in Mesa.

Looks like I will be staying after all....

Mesa gave Us Airways 10% stake in the company as part of it's restructuring. Mesa will issue stock in exchange for a contract extension.

 

[amcnd]

You are correct. I am not there anymore, but I have a lot of friends there and while I was there I was very involved with ALPA.

Now as far as how skw does bussiness, you are wrong. Mesa Alpa gave them the boot 3 times not once, ask your MEC Chair Dave New------ or Vice Ster-----or the SAPA chairman Mike.



SKW did what, when they bought


ASA and Express jet, they took all of their pilots and if they want to play, they will do the same with Mesa.....

Now you are an ALPA pilot correct? you want ALPA policy for your merger dont you?

Why the f---- you wish something bad for other ALPA pilots at Mesa? or Comair, or you may feel otherwise about Comair pilots. Assets there as well? your thoughts.



BTW show me where SKW did bussiness as usual and picked up assets only, show me once they did that, comair?

Mormons are not as good as you think and I worked for a mormon in the past if you know what I mean.

Now if you are friends with Brad, your president relate all this please.


adios

West Air!!!

 

[Whydoitry]

ExpressJet has given in on scope because the MEC believes it to be a better deal than SKYW walking away, not because there is some loophole in our scope. The scope may or may not be as strong as it is supposed to be, a judge would have to decide and JA has said he doesn't care to take it that far.

ALPA merger policy is NOT DOH, it is the merger committees of the respective companies working together on a list and if no agreement is made it goes to arbitration. There is no voting by the MECs or pilot groups.

Probably based on discussions with Brad Holt, some XJT reps feel that both Comair and Mesa are in JA's plans on making SKYW one of the world's largest airlines. So, Mesa out of BK, positive cash flow, flying CR7 and CR9 for USAIR gives JA another profitable division, makes sense.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

Mesa's 900's have too many seats for Mesa to be merged with either ASA or Skyw. DALPA's contact restricts connection carriers to no more than 76 seats, so if acquired Mesa would have to remain a separate entity. No merger or integration.

 

[sniper]

Mesa's 900's have too many seats for Mesa to be merged with either ASA or Skyw. DALPA's contact restricts connection carriers to no more than 76 seats, so if acquired Mesa would have to remain a separate entity. No merger or integration.

Since you are a SKW captain, ask Mike Ma---- about that.

You will be surprised

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Since you are a SKW captain, ask Mike Ma---- about that.

You will be surprised

What's with all the name dropping? Do you think we're impressed with you or something?

All of the names you've dropped could easily be looked up in a 2 second google search, so quit trying to act like some kind of a big shot.

 

[johnpeace]

Mesa's 900's have too many seats for Mesa to be merged with either ASA or Skyw. DALPA's contact restricts connection carriers to no more than 76 seats, so if acquired Mesa would have to remain a separate entity. No merger or integration.

Right....and reconfiguring the seats to make a bunch of 76 seat jets with first class is just beyond our capability down here in the ATL...right?



All those guys who've been calling Mesa the cockroach that will NEVER die are seemingly vindicated by this recent development, no?

 

[captain822]

Mesa's 900's have too many seats for Mesa to be merged with either ASA or Skyw. DALPA's contact restricts connection carriers to no more than 76 seats, so if acquired Mesa would have to remain a separate entity. No merger or integration.

I think it's quite easy to remove seats to bring it to 76.

 

[sniper]

West Air!!!

West Air shut down, out of bussines...HUGE difference......and Mesa will not shut down

 

[homerjdispatch]

Is Sniper really Johhny O?

 

[wms]

Mesa's 900's have too many seats for Mesa to be merged with either ASA or Skyw. DALPA's contact restricts connection carriers to no more than 76 seats, so if acquired Mesa would have to remain a separate entity. No merger or integration.

It's only 76 seats if they're flown for DAL. UAL scope is 70. LCC is more.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

I think it's quite easy to remove seats to bring it to 76.

Ya, it's just that simple, unless your contract stipulates that your customer wants 86 seats. You could renegotiate the contract, but if Airways wanted a different configuration they would have specified it. Pull 10 seats out just so you can make a few pilots happy? Keep waiting for that.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

It's only 76 seats if they're flown for DAL. UAL scope is 70. LCC is more.

The DAL scope covers all the aircraft operated by a connection carrier, regardless of who they are operated for. That is why when ACA ordered Airbuses Delta canceled their Dojet contract.

 

[SiuDude]

The DAL scope covers all the aircraft operated by a connection carrier, regardless of who they are operated for. That is why when ACA ordered Airbuses Delta canceled their Dojet contract.

Correct. And that's why Mesa (which sucks by the way) needed the Freedom certificate to fly for Delta.

 

[relief tube]

These death to Mesa posts are kind of disturbing, think of the families, they're just the same as any of you that are flying for the other crappy regionals.

except they are flying for the crappiest.....that's all

 

[sniper]

What's with all the name dropping? Do you think we're impressed with you or something?

All of the names you've dropped could easily be looked up in a 2 second google search, so quit trying to act like some kind of a big shot.

not a big shot.......just know a lot more than you think about the SKW and their student council

adios

 

[sniper]

Correct. And that's why Mesa (which sucks by the way) needed the Freedom certificate to fly for Delta.

Skw (which sucks btw) knows what they will have to do to keep the kool aid flowing