Mesa Go'in Solo.....Hawaii Here they come!!!!

[Taco Rocket]

I've got a good lead on a crashpad in Honolulu:

One bedroom condo on the estate of a secretive book author. Caretaker is a Brit with a Hitler mustache who owns two Doberman Pincher hounds. Rent includes access to cool 1980s Ferrari, gorgeous private beach and endless murder/disappearance investigations. Must wear super-tight shorts, Detroit Tigers hat, blue and white Hawaiian shirt, and groomed mustache. Former Navy Intelligence officers with time in Hughes 500 preferred.

Too funny dude! I'll post this in the crew room.

 

[islandhopper]

More nonsense...

Don't let facts get in the way here. BTW you used to work at Mesa so why even go there with BS you know isn't true.

JB guys that I have spoken with get, on average, 1 day off per month than I do.

I get about 13 days off per bid (13 per year), which divided out is 14 and change off per month.

BS I know isnt true? OK fine, I can see your trying to corner the market on BS here so its all yours.

 

[Heavy Set]

I've got a good lead on a crashpad in Honolulu:

One bedroom condo on the estate of a secretive book author. Caretaker is a Brit with a Hitler mustache who owns two Doberman Pincher hounds. Rent includes access to cool 1980s Ferrari, gorgeous private beach and endless murder/disappearance investigations. Must wear super-tight shorts, Detroit Tigers hat, blue and white Hawaiian shirt, and groomed mustache. Former Navy Intelligence officers with time in Hughes 500 preferred.

General,

That is one of the funniest things I have read in a long time on these boards - hilarious. I remeber those Magnum P.I. TV shows - they were pretty entertaining and I always enjoyed the island shots.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

re: days off per month and other BS from this thread

My last schedule had 13 days off of 28 and the current one has 14 days off of 28. I could bid a line with 14 or maybe 15 days (15 might be a stretch) off of 28, but I am picky about equipment (900 vs 200...900 pays better) that I want to fly and the trips I will accept.

Guys that are way junior and/or on reserve might have 8-10 days off per 28. It does happen, but someone made it sound like we all have crappy schedules. Not true. Believe what you want. SIX day trips?!? WTF? Again, probably waay junior reserve guy that worked six days in a row.

Hey, our works rule do bite the big one, no doubt. There is a LOT of room for improvement there. No one knows this better than us.

Regarding the HI operation, because of the scope clause in our contract, the flying will be performed by Mesa Air Group (MAG) pilots (Mesa, AirMidwest, and Freedom pilots on one list now)...most likely. The only way JO might get around this is if MAG does not have "operational control." Limited partner or something his lawyers dream up? Who knows? Press release says that it will be a new "airline". Maybe a new name, but not necessarily a separate certificate. Key thing is does MAG have "operational control" over the flying and aircraft.

In the old days Mesa operated three separate "airlines" on the YV certificate. You had the Mesa guys (independent and United Exp((did I forget anyone else here?)) ), the FloridaGulf guys (USAir Exp) and the Liberty guys (also USAir Exp). All three "airlines" operated on the YV certificate with different pay and work rules (there were no rules) and separate pilot seniority lists. This is all pre-union stuff, though.

I want to agree with another poster who said that this must be a fee per departure deal with US Airways/America West, because if not, then this is a quick way to lose a LOT of money. Does not sound like something JO would do - go it alone, that is. Mesa nearly went under back in '97-'98 when we tried to go it alone at Fort Worth Meacham(sp?) - FTW with CRJ 200s. JO is the one that saved Mesa from doom back then by shutting that operation down and switching CRJs to code-share deals.

Press release says 200s first, then mixture of 700s and 900s. JO would not go with the E170, unless he got a real sweetheart deal. I think he regrets going with the E145s.

As someone else posted - it's adios to the Do328Jet leases now that Delta is in bankruptcy. I have not seen it in writing, but this is most likely going to happen.

Delta service from MCO and wherever else? on the Freedom certificate will be with all E145s. I think that about 5 E145s will do some flying in the United code share on the Mesa certificate (?). Well, not sure which certificate, but it sounds like a real mess either way.

 

[RJP]

I thought I read in one article that they're looking for local investment. Everything makes it sound as if he'll find a way to make it completely separate from Mesa if he can.

So, since everyone there at Mesa likes there job and is defending it vigorously, I'm just curious how many hours of block time you average a day on a typical month.

It may not be a bad deal you've got going in a CRJ-900 flying "long-haul" but it will be an eye-opener when the 10-leg OGG-HNL-OGG days start.

 

[islandhopper]

I thought I read in one article that they're looking for local investment. Everything makes it sound as if he'll find a way to make it completely separate from Mesa if he can.

So, since everyone there at Mesa likes there job and is defending it vigorously, I'm just curious how many hours of block time you average a day on a typical month.

It may not be a bad deal you've got going in a CRJ-900 flying "long-haul" but it will be an eye-opener when the 10-leg OGG-HNL-OGG days start.

Mesa pilots typically go from being all starry eyed and SJS to completely cynical and jaded within 6 months to a year, so there is a dividing line there. But what never ceases to amaze me is how quickly some (guys, I said some) of these pilots think "maybe this time JO will do something for *MY* benefit" The same basic truth is that some of the most senior pilots at Mesa are johnny o's #1 beyaches. They have been hosed so many times by JO and they always come back for another beat down. How much seniority did some of them lose with Desert Sun? How much disgrace are the freedom A pilots living with after those broken promises? You freedom A listers amaze me when I hear you fukr's complain about the sh!t contract at Mesa. ITS YOUR OWN F-IN FAULT!

We could have stopped JO in his tracks with his freedom A fiasco but you only enabled him to screw more people and now more often. Now this is being dumped back on my lap. Thanks a lot for nothing! I really thought I was done with JO.

This is props to the mesa guys that fought freedom, props to the san juaners that waited up to two years for their seat while their backstabber classmates took freedom jobs. Props to Rich Pietro for putting Steve Cristl in his place for being permanently attached to jo's crotch. Props to all the guys that have started the "land line only" campaign, props to every mesa guy that has voted NO on future concessions for sh!t 737 pay rates.
PROPS TO ALL MESA PILOTS WILLING TO TOW THE LINE.

The rest of you all can meet me in the parking lot of The Ocean Club where a few of us would like to throw you guys a party when you all start up. Expect it.

 

[Airbeast]

Hawaii is great for anyone that will be living here. Hopefully, they'll run a certain Caravan operator out of business, I'll be very happy.

 

[synchoff]

ROLF!

IslandHopper, you crack me up! You're one sad, bitter dude to spend so much time trashing Mesa so long after you left the place. And dude, most of us KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

Now you're gonna beat up MAG pilots who go to Hawaii (re: "party in the parking lot")? Even if they're junior assigned? What are you, stuck in 7th grade or something? Abused as a child? Please, beat me up when I get there, and I'll be happy to have you arrested for assult, sue your sorry ass AND get you fired. Welcome to the world ADULTS live in.

Hey, if JO can come up with a better way to do inter-island flying, it's not our fault. JO might not be the best pilot-friendly manager, BUT HE KNOWS HOW TO MAKE MONEY, something your airline can't seem to grasp . . . . Ask pilots at Mesaba, Pinnacle, Comair, FlyI if they'd rather have a job or a pilot-friendly boss, and YOU (and you only) might be surprised . . .

I call DORK!

 

[RJP]

The rest of you all can meet me in the parking lot of The Ocean Club where a few of us would like to throw you guys a party when you all start up. Expect it.

Is this going to be on Paddler's Night. That way i can get in free with an aloha shirt. Jachoff says he's going to be there. Should be good kine fun.

 

[XOXO]

Word in the locker room is that Jonathan and Islandhoper had a very bitter breakup. He wont let it go and will corner anyone who will listen to his side. Bra, let it go, get some Valtrex for the ass herpes and find another lover!

 

[islandhopper]

ROLF!

IslandHopper, you crack me up! You're one sad, bitter dude to spend so much time trashing Mesa so long after you left the place. And dude, most of us KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

Now you're gonna beat up MAG pilots who go to Hawaii (re: "party in the parking lot")? Even if they're junior assigned?

As long as Mesa is going after narrow body pay rates, Honolulu bases and my companies operating certificate I will continue.

Sad maybe I might have to agree with you there, but you shouldnt be laughing either synchoff. There arent going to be any junior assigned Mesa pilots doing this flying. WTF do you thing JO is going to do? Send you guys TDY to the Hilton Hawaiian Village? Wake up and listen to your own hotline.

 

[Taco Rocket]

Mesa pilots typically go from being all starry eyed and SJS to completely cynical and jaded within 6 months to a year, so there is a dividing line there. QUOTE]


SJS? Don't you mean SJC?

YOU are a San Juan College program graduate, aren't you?: YES or NO

You my friend retain the title of king of BS when it comes to this subject.

BTW: Most of us wouldn't give a S what you say about Mesa -- who really does? The point is you better stop trashing our guys and focus your immature rants on management instead.

 

[skydivinguy]

...and start offering lunch for the interviews (no brown-bags)

he he he! funny! Unless of course they contain Colt 45 malt liquor 40's!

 

[skydivinguy]

Hawaii is great for anyone that will be living here. Hopefully, they'll run a certain Caravan operator out of business, I'll be very happy.

Naw, that's not going to happen, we're going to be flying our mostly full Vans around like we have been and enjoying watching the gladiators kill one another.

I worked for Air Midwest when Mesa took them over.

The only good thing was the metro's were replaced with Beech 1900's.

Our pilots were quickly beat into submission as was maintenance. Pilots creed was "if it makes noise, we'll fly it-we're Mesa!"

Mesa paid pilots ny the mile then, ala Swift Transportation and other trucking companies.

Welcome to the islands Mesa, don't unpack to much tho!

 

[Airbeast]

When I flew them, they were anything but full. 1/2 time the LUP and Hana are empty, even Hilo and Kona has less than 4 people half the time. Something tells me they won't be enjoying watching the gladiators killing one another once their EAS is up. It won't be much longer - they'll get what they deserve. You should know better yourself. Run while you can. Just be happy you're on the Hangar side where you don't have to see the everyday crap.

Naw, that's not going to happen, we're going to be flying our mostly full Vans around like we have been and enjoying watching the gladiators kill one another.