Mesa and Delta...It's official

[79%N1]

Kind of reminds me of CHQ when they started flying for Delta. Didn't we go through this back then too?

Only Worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NYRANGERS]

ASA and Comair now worth less

Wouldn't using mesa as a DCI carrier de-value Comair and ASA (with regards to selling them?) ASA and Comair provide a superior service compared to mesa, I don't think this is a good move by Delta. They (Delta) might save a little on the ASA contract, but at a much higher cost to the company.

Our old scope would have prevented this from happening, but industry pressure caused DALPA to cave on scope and...............here's mesa.

You rjdc guys should be thrilled, shouldn't you???? I am not saying you have anything to do with this happening, but your lawsuit and ideals support this 100%.

Another bad move by Delta.

 

[BeCareful!]

DOH!!! FDJ2 strikes a nerve!

Ahahahahha.

RJDC should have spent more time protecting their a$$es and less time trying to bring the top down to what they think an airline pilot is worth.

Too late, really, as the cat's out of the bag and the profession is destroyed.

Good job, RJD!CKERS!

 

[PGTB]

How many CRJs does Mesa have in place with USAir? It would seem more logical that it would be ERJs coming from the USAir side to come to Delta. So I guess that rumor isnt true?

 

[MedFlyer]

Wouldn't using mesa as a DCI carrier de-value Comair and ASA (with regards to selling them?) ASA and Comair provide a superior service compared to mesa, I don't think this is a good move by Delta. They (Delta) might save a little on the ASA contract, but at a much higher cost to the company.

You're probably right. If DL brings in Mesa (which could possibly replace Comair/ASA further down the road), then why would anyone want to invest in buying Comair/ASA who are reliant solely on DL? Of course, maybe a spin-off would allow Comair/ASA do business with other carriers...off setting some of the pain.

I'm still confused on what will happen to the FRJ's with this deal. Clearly, they won't be flying for DL Connection which isn't a surprise as DL has never wanted these planes. But does this deal provide some way for DL to dump the FRJ leases or does DL already have some other buyer waiting in the wings?

It's funny though that DL managment continues to go against the grain. While everyone is saying the 50 seater is dead, DL seems to be picking them up like crazy.

Let's see:
30 at Mesa
10 at Comair
32 at ASA (some will be 70 seaters)

Not to mention the 16 E170's and the possible 70 seater order for Comair. We're talking a possible 100+ RJ's (50-70 seat range) in the next 2-3 years for Delta Connection.

 

[flatspin7]

Good luck to all you ASA/Comair guys. Some how it wouldn't shock me to see a Mesa %$@#%$*& airplane with blue and yellow globe on the tail in 2007

Bottom Feeders

 

[ERfly]

Good luck to all you ASA/Comair guys. Some how it wouldn't shock me to see a Mesa %$@#%$*& airplane with blue and yellow globe on the tail in 2007

Bottom Feeders

Mesa and or Chautauqua. They're both drooling over it.

 

[flatspin7]

Mesa and or Chautauqua. They're both drooling over it.

I bet all those guys come home and kick thier dogs!

JO also does awful things to dogs too!

 

[#%&@$!]

How many CRJs does Mesa have in place with USAir? It would seem more logical that it would be ERJs coming from the USAir side to come to Delta. So I guess that rumor isnt true?

The press release says CRJs

 

[say again]

From bad to THE WORST!!! Good luck to the ASA/Comair guys.

I loved to see how the Delta/Comair rampers treat these guys. I know it'll be interesting, to say the least!!!!

 

[PGTB]

The press release says CRJs

I understand that. My response was to someone else who stated that the jets were coming from their USAirways side as a sure sign that they are out of USAir. I was thinking they had mostly ERJs on the USAir side with some CRJs. So if they are really getting the boot from USAirways then their ERJs arent going to be flying for Delta it seems. Thats all.

 

[701EV]

It's all over now!!!!!!


I can't wait to hear Skippy spin this. Maybe I'll just go back to bed and wake up and realize it was just a HORRIBLE NIGHTMARE!

UNFKNBELIVEABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


701EV

 

[the turtle]

BOOM goes the Dynamite!!!

 

[say again]

It's all over now!!!!!!


I can't wait to hear Skippy spin this. Maybe I'll just go back to bed and wake up and realize it was just a HORRIBLE NIGHTMARE!

UNFKNBELIVEABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


701EV

This is the final shotgun blast (at close range) to the head. There's no recovery.
Not even the best treatment can kill, or even slow down this cancer!!

 

[tarp]

I know it was a long time ago, but does anyone remember back in 2000 when Trans States was a DCI carrier?

You know why they were replaced?

Also, the article says that Mesa's 50 seat CRJ's are going to fulfill the role that the old ACJet J328's did?

So, a Mesa CRJ is going to do:
CVG-DAY?
CVG-TOL
CVG-CMH
CVG-CAK
CVG-CLE
CVG-FWA

Sure would love to be doing 4 CLE rounds a day in a CRJ. Gee that sounds like fun.

 

[ERfly]

I bet all those guys come home and kick thier dogs!

JO also does awful things to dogs too!

And they're excited about being able to do it cheaper. They're happy they're undercutting other carriers. Bedford and JO must do a helluva brainwashing act during indoc. Bedford's masses worship the guy.

 

[ThisistheDream]

I am not worried about MESA or any other regional for that matter, the fact that worries me is how the industry as awhole is changing for the worse and the jobs that we all wanted to get with a Major wont be there. This current trend of dropping and adding different regionals, getting airlines to bid for the work at the cheapest cost is just a drop in the bucket to what MGT' S wants and will get later on and not too far later on in my opinion. Mainline MGT'S will eventually go after the ALPA's contract and demand 100% relief from scope and when that happens the jobs we all wanted will be gone and flying a 100 seat RJ will become a reality for a career, with no pension and a coffee mug for a christmas bonus.

 

[scarlet]

WE should have the rampers destroy them--Why doesn't CHQ. and Mesa hire their own rampers..and stop whoring ours...

Our rampers should take care of those airlines, last after all of our planes are on time and then go to them. It only makes sense and I hope SKIP tells our rampers and cabin service to take care of our people first....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the rampers and cabin serivce was smart that is what they would do to keep their jobs in the future.... SO we are calling on you guys on the ground to support ASA/Comair.....THAT is it..

 

[Beantown]

This is the absolute WORST thing that can happen to any pilot at Comair/ASA/Skywest/and CHQ! I have seen first hand what having Mesa as a connection carrier for you major partner does to pilot groups at the other regionals.

Not sure what you are saying actually makes sense. CHQ and Skywest have been competing head to head with Mesa at US Airways and United for quite some time. Both of those airlines have been doing nothing but growing and growing druing that same period. Don't see how it has efected them at all. Now Comair and ASA is a whole different story. -Bean

 

[say again]

I am not worried about MESA or any other regional for that matter, the fact that worries me is how the industry as awhole is changing for the worse and the jobs that we all wanted to get with a Major wont be there. This current trend of dropping and adding different regionals, getting airlines to bid for the work at the cheapest cost is just a drop in the bucket to what MGT' S wants and will get later on and not too far later on in my opinion. Mainline MGT'S will eventually go after the ALPA's contract and demand 100% relief from scope and when that happens the jobs we all wanted will be gone and flying a 100 seat RJ will become a reality for a career, with no pension and a coffee mug for a christmas bonus.

A coffee mug, HHHMMMM??? Time to rethink my decision to leave.

 

[scarlet]

IF ALPA was a union it would tell every airline out there to walk for 3 days and shut down the whole industry. WE have had it... TELL MGT> this...we are done with neg. fairly and you can explain it to the AMERICAN people.... YOU get bonuses and millions and millions of F##king dollars and you do not CARE about the airline you care about your wallet..WEll to that I say---ALPA call for a nation wide strike!!!

They do it in Europe---oh but they get things done over there...we just take the bull&&it here....

AND ASA has taken our on pay freeze almost 3 years now--WE did not even vote for it....IT was handed to us--WE have to have RETRO PAY!!

 

[sweptback]

You're probably right. If DL brings in Mesa (which could possibly replace Comair/ASA further down the road), then why would anyone want to invest in buying Comair/ASA who are reliant solely on DL? Of course, maybe a spin-off would allow Comair/ASA do business with other carriers...off setting some of the pain.

I'm glad you brought that up. Every additional DCI carrier just waters down the value of the wholly-owneds. Delta is right when they say that they don't have to own a regional to get the benefits (ie, lift) from them.

However, this is a horribly stupid move on Delta's part if they every plan on selling a DCI carrier. It just reduced the value of ASA and CMR, as another regional is already in the picture, just waiting to bid to replace all the flying if one of us were to be sold.

The other thing, if these 50-seaters are to replace the Dornier flying, where are they going? The Dornier flying was already replaced. Are they going to replace the replacers?

 

[MAX ZORIN]

WE should have the rampers destroy them--Why doesn't CHQ. and Mesa hire their own rampers..and stop whoring ours...

Our rampers should take care of those airlines, last after all of our planes are on time and then go to them. It only makes sense and I hope SKIP tells our rampers and cabin service to take care of our people first....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Your rampers like us better because we dont talk down to them and treat them like garbage.

 

[FDJ2]

Poor FDJ2. Arguing against something he doesn't understand. Perhaps its time to stop believing your own propoganda.

What part of,

Plaintiffs thus seek an injunction ordering ALPA

to stop negotiating or assisting in the negotiation of scope clauses in such a manner as to exercise control over the flying by pilots for a carrier other than the one for which the CBA is being negotiated,

do you not understand BVT? The RJDC lawsuit would prevent ALPA negotiating any scope language that would limit outsourcing.

Wake up BVT and smell the coffeee.

 

[scarlet]

YOu hang out with them so much I know--HIRE your own...Cheap as@

 

[amcnd]

Is mesa lossing USair. Is the reason they are going to delta? With willy in MESA out? I bet thats the next press release!

 

[FDJ2]

The lawsuit would force ALPA to allow the pilots effected by your scope to have representation at the negotiations that effect their wages and working conditions.

That would include MESA pilots too, aswell as CHQ and any other pilot group. Your lawsuit doesn't differentiate between wholly owned or non wholly owned. Read it and weap Fins.

Plaintiffs thus seek an injunction ordering ALPA

to stop negotiating or assisting in the negotiation of scope clauses in such a manner as to exercise control over the flying by pilots for a carrier other than the one for which the CBA is being negotiated


If ASA and Comair pilots had been allowed to participate, you can bet your little white hinie that Mesa / Freedom would not be performing Delta narrow body flying.

According to the RJDC and their lawsuit, that would be predatory since you would have attempted to limit the careers of another pilot group and exercise control over their flying. Remember, according to you, none of us own the DL code. You've said that over and over.

 

[metroplex]

Thats tooooo bad. Skyway would have done an excellent job feeding for delta. They were so impressed, of what I heard ,about the service Skyway provided and were looking forward for Skyway to feed into the delta system. Who would have thought that Freedom will take over. Oh well, .....I'm just wondering if Skyway will still accept some of the FRJs for their expansion...

 

[Heavy Set]

Will Mesa take the Dojets?

Sorry if this question has already been answered, but does this also mean the JO and Mesa will actually take possession of the DoJets and maybe use them?

Working for Mesa and that A-HOLE would never be a good option, but you would think Mesa would then need to hire onto these aircraft vs. just parking them....

 

[scarlet]

Why do you guys always bring up RJDC....hell talk to Delta MGT. they have support the RJDC--so go talk to them--I know I have a very very good friend at Delta and they would love to see RJDC win...

SO blame your mgt.....FIRE them!!!!!! They are the ones taking everyones money with MILLIONS a year and we all are fighting over 100,000.00 a year---STUPID.... THEY have won--we are fighting against each other--instead of joining and saying this is wrong and we will stay together..KIND of like the pilots use to. Remember the days of putting a knife in mgt. tires...being nasty like they are...WE can play their games too......

UNITED we will STAND--but DIVIDED you will FALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and we are falling dam* it.