Mesa and Delta...It's official

[nimtz]

"We are pleased to add another highly cost-effective, customer-focused regional airline to our portfolio of regional carriers," said J.T. Fisher, president, Delta Connection, Inc. "This agreement offers long-term cost savings to Delta and makes it economically attractive to upgrade flying that would have been operated with 32-seat Fairchild Dornier aircraft to 50-seat Bombardier CRJs, an aircraft that is more flexible and effective within our network and existing Delta Connection carrier fleet."

This quote says it all folks. Outside of the first line being absolutle BS, it tells all of us that in the future your company better be a bottom feeder to get anywhere in this industry. Sad times indeed. Oh yeah let me conclude my Mesa post as always with F*CK YOU ORINSTIEN...

 

[BlackPilot628]

This is SO STUPID!

I wish all of us that fly within the Delta Connection system good luck!
Mesa is like a Parasite that won't stop growing. They are growing at the expense of other carriers jobs. I hoped that DAL and DCI would have stop to think about maybe asking one of their current carriers or wholly owned carriers to pick up some more flying throughout the system. Picking up Mesa is like OUT SOURCING jobs.

It is not my intention to trash Mesa Air Group, they have some great pilots over there that bust there a$$' to fly for P-Nutz. But that is just half of the problem, because a lot of them don't care about the quality of service they offer, because their companies don't care about them!

I do wish the Mesa Air Group pilots good luck in there future endeavors; but this is the worse news I've heard all month!

 

[avrodriver]

Just a few observations...

I don't believe this is growth....I believe this is proof that they will be getting the shaft from the USAir system ( which is a huge benifit to them....makes me sick too!!!) and they have just found a new, even better home for airplanes.

When Delta picked up CHQ....it was the same thing. So going by your reasoning, that was outsourcing jobs. Do you wish that Delta and DCI would have asked one of their current carriers to pick up the flying before they signed CHQ up?

But I do agree with you....the cancer is spreading and it is getting harder and harder to find one regional out there that isn't tasting the wrath of Mesa.

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[~~~^~~~]

You and your RJDC buddies have a lawsuit that would make scope clauses preventing Mesa from flying everything at DAL illegal. You are seeking injunctive relief to tear down mainline scope clauses.

Have you even read your RJDC lawsuit?

I guess it's different when it happens to you.

The lawsuit would force ALPA to allow the pilots effected by your scope to have representation at the negotiations that effect their wages and working conditions. Currently the timeline is as follows:

1. You negotiate your scope with our management
2. Your scope controls my wages and working conditions
3. I am not allowed to participate
4. "My" flying gets put out to the lowest bidder
5. "Your" flying gets replaced, up to your scope limits
6. Our airline gets in financial trouble and your senior pilots get worried, so they relax scope commensurate with the number of RJ's that can be built running a full production schedule
7. Go to step one, white wash and repeat

If ASA and Comair pilots had been allowed to participate, you can bet your little white hinie that Mesa / Freedom would not be performing Delta narrow body flying. Unfortunately your MEC does not much care who performs the flying and well, the effect is evident.

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[Fly4hire]

ALPA's great scope strategy strikes again.

You would not be saying that if you had a Scope clause that had prevented this flying from being done by Mesa. As someone else said, by your definition of what RJDC stands fro you should be welcoming them.

I beleive this describes you and the RJDC perfectly:

Delusions

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A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue. These irrational beliefs defy normal reasoning, and remain firm even when overwhelming proof is presented to dispute them. Delusions are often accompanied by hallucinations and/or feelings of paranoia, which act to strengthen confidence in the delusion

Persecutory

Individuals with persecutory delusional disorder are plagued by feelings of paranoia and an irrational yet unshakable belief that someone is plotting against them, or out to harm them.

[font=Arial, Sans]Grandiose[/font]

Individuals with grandiose delusional disorder have an over-inflated sense of self-worth. Their delusions center on their own importance, such as believing that they have done or created something of extreme value or have a "special mission."

 

[ASH]

As a CHQ guy on the DAL side of the house, I am weeping.

Mesa...seriously....MESA!?? Sorry, I mean Freedom. Boy I look forward to our next contract negotiations. Now in direct competition with the Mesa contract. Talk about leverage over Mgmnt.

 

[Palerider957]

Fly4Hire:

Fins is a staunch supporter of RJ drivers. He is also well schooled on the issues. Your profile looks like someone who went right from the military direct to DAL, so I wouldn't expect you to understand our plight. All you know about RJ drivers is that you are a God among insects, and when you step on us we "crunch."

Some of those definitions you posted could easily pointed toward the DAL group--especially delusions of grandeur. This extreme ego of the collective DAL group (individual DAL guys are great) has and will continue to be a source of grief for you. Franlky, you don't know how to play nice and you feel your entitled to all the toys in the sandbox.

All ASA/CMR ever wanted was to be able to negotiate fair contracts--something ASA is having a hell of a time doing right now. Is this so bad? I'm not a memeber of the RJDC, but posts like yours and FDJ2 certainly don't add to sympathy for your cause (i.e. furloughed pilots, concessions, lost flying, contracting fleet size, elimination of defined pension program, etc.) You should be on Virginia Ave. picketing with us, demanding we get a solid contract (less doward pressure on YOUR wages), you should be LIVID about Mesa/Freedom coming over to take MORE of your flying.

If you discovered a cancerous tumor in your belly today, how long would you wait to treat it??? Today, DAL/DCI found a tumor in our bowels, what will we do next.

Sorry for the rant.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Is Freedom still a non-union shop???

I said this to a few Comair guys who gloated when I got furloughed at Mainline....."Watch your 6 guys, Mesa will be in here to clean your clocks!" and sure enough...not that I told ya so, I told ya so.

Good luck to ASA to get a contract with some teeth, they just get underminded by their "brothers" at Comair accepting freezes for more planes, and management bringing in the lowest bidder.......

It kills me to watch people label their flying as "theirs" and then cry when "their" flying goes to someone else. Mainline has a scope clause to keep this kind of stuff from happening, but the RJDC toolbags try to dismantle it through the courts and then expect "their" flying to stay in-house. Anybody over there tried to solidify your scope?? I've watched flying I used to do goto said carriers and now it's being pushed further down the trough.........what goes around, comes around!! I'm all sold out of pity over here...........

Bill

 

[SEFlyer]

Mesa is like a Parasite that won't stop growing. They are growing at the expense of other carriers jobs.

Kind of reminds me of CHQ when they started flying for Delta. Didn't we go through this back then too?

 

[ifly4food]

MESA coming to DCI... we're F***ed. Let the next round of concessions for airplanes begin.

 

[79%N1]

Kind of reminds me of CHQ when they started flying for Delta. Didn't we go through this back then too?

Only Worse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NYRANGERS]

ASA and Comair now worth less

Wouldn't using mesa as a DCI carrier de-value Comair and ASA (with regards to selling them?) ASA and Comair provide a superior service compared to mesa, I don't think this is a good move by Delta. They (Delta) might save a little on the ASA contract, but at a much higher cost to the company.

Our old scope would have prevented this from happening, but industry pressure caused DALPA to cave on scope and...............here's mesa.

You rjdc guys should be thrilled, shouldn't you???? I am not saying you have anything to do with this happening, but your lawsuit and ideals support this 100%.

Another bad move by Delta.

 

[BeCareful!]

DOH!!! FDJ2 strikes a nerve!

Ahahahahha.

RJDC should have spent more time protecting their a$$es and less time trying to bring the top down to what they think an airline pilot is worth.

Too late, really, as the cat's out of the bag and the profession is destroyed.

Good job, RJD!CKERS!

 

[PGTB]

How many CRJs does Mesa have in place with USAir? It would seem more logical that it would be ERJs coming from the USAir side to come to Delta. So I guess that rumor isnt true?

 

[MedFlyer]

Wouldn't using mesa as a DCI carrier de-value Comair and ASA (with regards to selling them?) ASA and Comair provide a superior service compared to mesa, I don't think this is a good move by Delta. They (Delta) might save a little on the ASA contract, but at a much higher cost to the company.

You're probably right. If DL brings in Mesa (which could possibly replace Comair/ASA further down the road), then why would anyone want to invest in buying Comair/ASA who are reliant solely on DL? Of course, maybe a spin-off would allow Comair/ASA do business with other carriers...off setting some of the pain.

I'm still confused on what will happen to the FRJ's with this deal. Clearly, they won't be flying for DL Connection which isn't a surprise as DL has never wanted these planes. But does this deal provide some way for DL to dump the FRJ leases or does DL already have some other buyer waiting in the wings?

It's funny though that DL managment continues to go against the grain. While everyone is saying the 50 seater is dead, DL seems to be picking them up like crazy.

Let's see:
30 at Mesa
10 at Comair
32 at ASA (some will be 70 seaters)

Not to mention the 16 E170's and the possible 70 seater order for Comair. We're talking a possible 100+ RJ's (50-70 seat range) in the next 2-3 years for Delta Connection.

 

[flatspin7]

Good luck to all you ASA/Comair guys. Some how it wouldn't shock me to see a Mesa %$@#%$*& airplane with blue and yellow globe on the tail in 2007

Bottom Feeders

 

[ERfly]

Good luck to all you ASA/Comair guys. Some how it wouldn't shock me to see a Mesa %$@#%$*& airplane with blue and yellow globe on the tail in 2007

Bottom Feeders

Mesa and or Chautauqua. They're both drooling over it.

 

[flatspin7]

Mesa and or Chautauqua. They're both drooling over it.

I bet all those guys come home and kick thier dogs!

JO also does awful things to dogs too!

 

[#%&@$!]

How many CRJs does Mesa have in place with USAir? It would seem more logical that it would be ERJs coming from the USAir side to come to Delta. So I guess that rumor isnt true?

The press release says CRJs

 

[say again]

From bad to THE WORST!!! Good luck to the ASA/Comair guys.

I loved to see how the Delta/Comair rampers treat these guys. I know it'll be interesting, to say the least!!!!