Mesa and Delta...It's official

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Surplus1

I do believe the post is MESA and DELTA,, and NOT RJDC--go create on so others do not have to scroll through your opinions..because we do not CARE what you think.....

I do owe a computer or have access--you are a smart one--

YOU must be DELTA MGT>

 

[uba757]

If I remember well Surplus1 was not the person who made this a thread about RJDC. Just an observation. UBA757

 

[FlyComAirJets]

Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for (nearly) free?

Delta may cease to exist, after a merger with NW or CAL. What will happen to ASA and Comair? Answer: Aeromexico Express based in Tampico. Or, you might get absorbed by Mesa. Take a pick. And, which other employees at DL treat us bad? We all know at mainline and Song that we are just along for the ride.

Really Gee Lee, you have an overinflated opinion of yourself. One need only look at recent history at your once proud carrier, does the term 'asset purchase' sound familiar? It should, it's what happened to significant portions of The Greatest Airline of All Time, Pan American Airways. If some other carrier is foolish enough to bite off chunks of the Delta carcass, do you seriously believe that they are just going to blend you and your fabulously expensive pension plan right onto their list? Hmmmmmm?

I think Fins will get a kick out of how ALPA's Merger and Fragmentation Policy would be applied there!

Aeromexico Epress for us? Perhaps, but Taco Bell burrioto assembly line for you.

 

[~~~^~~~]

! Mi Amigo! - I like AeroMexico Staple me to the part of the list where I fly with the junior folks ! Mui, mui, Bueno !

I'd rather have a crew of twenty something Senioritas and Chicas who think El Capitan is mui guapa than the Delta stews who do their uno mandatory pass through with the Sun Chips then sit on their peros for the next four hours perusing what ever the AARP sent them this month and worrying about wrinkle cream.

Have you spent a day in a Mexcian all inclusive? If Delta's folks had half the enthusiasm and professionalism your average $10 a week Mexican had, we would not be in half the mess we are in now.

Gratis Dox Equis Especial would be a nice touch on ATR's & RJ's with deferred packs. Si, where do I sign up for Sud Delta Connexion?

 

[PCL_128]

I'd rather have a crew of twenty something Senioritas and Chicas who think El Capitan is mui guapa

Finally, something you and I can agree on.

 

[General Lee]

Really Gee Lee, you have an overinflated opinion of yourself. One need only look at recent history at your once proud carrier, does the term 'asset purchase' sound familiar? It should, it's what happened to significant portions of The Greatest Airline of All Time, Pan American Airways. If some other carrier is foolish enough to bite off chunks of the Delta carcass, do you seriously believe that they are just going to blend you and your fabulously expensive pension plan right onto their list? Hmmmmmm?

I think Fins will get a kick out of how ALPA's Merger and Fragmentation Policy would be applied there!

Aeromexico Epress for us? Perhaps, but Taco Bell burrioto assembly line for you.

Huh? Que? Taco assembly line for who? Maybe you guys. You think DL would be broken up into pieces? Uh, I don't think so. How did Grinstein do with Western Airlines? Did he cut that up too? Nah. If we are sold it will be as one piece, and we will complement whoever buys us. You guys on the otherhand, should be wondering if Mesa will treat you right. Grinstein has a plan, and you may not be in it. Remember, like Palumbo says....."We don't plan to fail....." and we will sell core assets in the meantime. That is YOU baby. Don't worry, you will be serving burritos before me, and that will make you manager when I get there. Can I get Sunday's off please???

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

! Mi Amigo! - I like AeroMexico Staple me to the part of the list where I fly with the junior folks ! Mui, mui, Bueno !

I'd rather have a crew of twenty something Senioritas and Chicas who think El Capitan is mui guapa than the Delta stews who do their uno mandatory pass through with the Sun Chips then sit on their peros for the next four hours perusing what ever the AARP sent them this month and worrying about wrinkle cream.

Have you spent a day in a Mexcian all inclusive? If Delta's folks had half the enthusiasm and professionalism your average $10 a week Mexican had, we would not be in half the mess we are in now.

Gratis Dox Equis Especial would be a nice touch on ATR's & RJ's with deferred packs. Si, where do I sign up for Sud Delta Connexion?

Fins,

I have stayed in GDL on 24 hour layovers? Is that good enough? I have also hit Mexico City a few times. Not my favorite cities. Our trips to CUN are turns, but I have stayed there for fun, at the Melia Cancun. A glass pyramid structure----really nice resort.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[surplus1]

Pun intended

El Capitan is mui guapa ,,,,,,.

Hey Fins, I don't think you really want El Capitan (if its you) to be "muy guapa". The senoritas don't go for that.

And PCL_128, you agree? I never thought a right wing zealot would swing that way.

Just pulling your chains guys. Try "muy guapo", the chicas will appreciate that much more. LOL

 

[FlyComAirJets]

Right back at ya, babe!

Huh? Que? Taco assembly line for who? Maybe you guys. You think DL would be broken up into pieces? Uh, I don't think so. How did Grinstein do with Western Airlines? Did he cut that up too? Nah. If we are sold it will be as one piece, and we will complement whoever buys us. You guys on the otherhand, should be wondering if Mesa will treat you right. Grinstein has a plan, and you may not be in it. Remember, like Palumbo says....."We don't plan to fail....." and we will sell core assets in the meantime. That is YOU baby.

You are mixing up eras, Gee Lee. Western 1987 wasn't the basket case headed straight to the bottom like the S.S. DeltaTitanic is. A more accurate comparison would be to compare Delta to Pan Am circa 1991. What airline has the re$ource$ to bail out this mess AND billions (that's with a b) in pension obligations? Uh, I don't think so. Delta will be part and parceled out just like Pan Am was -- the Atlantic division will go here, the Shuttle will go there, and Song will just ... go. Some pilots might go along with the deal, but I wouldn't hold my breath about the pension thing but not to worry, it'll be bailed out like the steel companies were.

Just hang in there, bro', soon your fondest dream will be reaized and we will be completelly separate companies. Then we'll be competitors. I like our chances.

 

[PCL_128]

And PCL_128, you agree? I never thought a right wing zealot would swing that way.

Hey, twenty year old senioritas can bring everyone together.

 

[General Lee]

You are mixing up eras, Gee Lee. Western 1987 wasn't the basket case headed straight to the bottom like the S.S. DeltaTitanic is. A more accurate comparison would be to compare Delta to Pan Am circa 1991. What airline has the re$ource$ to bail out this mess AND billions (that's with a b) in pension obligations? Uh, I don't think so. Delta will be part and parceled out just like Pan Am was -- the Atlantic division will go here, the Shuttle will go there, and Song will just ... go. Some pilots might go along with the deal, but I wouldn't hold my breath about the pension thing but not to worry, it'll be bailed out like the steel companies were.

Just hang in there, bro', soon your fondest dream will be reaized and we will be completelly separate companies. Then we'll be competitors. I like our chances.

Ha. Mesa will always be cheaper than you guys, and you guys will eventually work for JO or somebody like him. That is your future. As far as parceling DL, NAH, doubtful. You don't know much about the Western Airlines deal do you? I hear about it every once and awhile from actual ex-Western pilots who moved to ATL. They say they took 40% pay cuts and then almost filed for Chap 11, until DL came in and bought THE WHOLE THING. Grinstein will likely do the same thing. He is staying around to ensure that we have a future, not to be chopped up. He really isn't getting paid much either, and his wife wants to get back to SEA, but he has said repeatedly that he would stay until the end of next year--2006.

As far as Comair becoming our "competitor"----oooh, that scares me, NOT. Your new owner will think that your "high costs"(read wages here) for a regional (you are a regional remember, not a Major) will have to be trimmed to become "competitive." You will get bought by Expressjet or Mesa, and then be their "Biatch." Wait, they may buy you to actually get some "God-like pilots" in their mix...... Yeah right. Just remember what Palumbo says "We haven't failed to plan, and we aren't planning to fail." Keep saying that in your head. He also keeps saying "core asset sales". Say that ten times fast please.

Grinstein, at "In Command" this week (a meeting with management and new captains) alluded to the fact that if we do go Chap 11 the pensions would be dropped (gone) in order to line up new lenders. I think he knows what is going on better than you do. But hey, you do know your Pan Am history......And, Song is actually our best product---according to Reader's Digest. But, you already new that. I think Comair and the CRJs were a close 25th. (bottom 50 during last Xmas)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[surplus1]

Grinstein has a plan, and you may not be in it.

General,

Especially for your sale, I sure hope plan B works better than plan A. Did it cross your mind that it just might be better if we weren't in it?

........we will sell core assets in the meantime.

Core assets? You can't be speaking of us. How did we get elevated to such high status overnight? Weren't you telling us just a few days ago how useless we are? Surely you jest.

You guys on the otherhand, should be wondering if Mesa will treat you right.

Let me respond to that by paraphrasing Sir Winston Churchill..... We are prepared to meet Mr. Ornstein. Whether Mr. Ornstein is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting us is another matter.

If Mesa were to buy Comair I think it reasonably safe to anticipate that after a rumble with Comair pilots JO and Mesa will never again be the same. How many days do you think it would take to bring that ck sker to his knees? He'd be on ebay bidding on knee pads in a heartbeat. Don't forget, far bigger fish have already been fried in this skillet.

 

[Nindiri]

GL

I realize that in the heat of an argument it's easy to get frustrated, especially if the other person is irritating you, but why do you always resort to taking cheapshots at other airlines?

 

[General Lee]

General,

Especially for your sale, I sure hope plan B works better than plan A. Did it cross your mind that it just might be better if we weren't in it?



Core assets? You can't be speaking of us. How did we get elevated to such high status overnight? Weren't you telling us just a few days ago how useless we are? Surely you jest.



Let me respond to that by paraphrasing Sir Winston Churchill..... We are prepared to meet Mr. Ornstein. Whether Mr. Ornstein is prepared for the great ordeal of meeting us is another matter.

If Mesa were to buy Comair I think it reasonably safe to anticipate that after a rumble with Comair pilots JO and Mesa will never again be the same. How many days do you think it would take to bring that ck sker to his knees? He'd be on ebay bidding on knee pads in a heartbeat.

Come on now Surplus1, such bravado, just like those United unions..... Right. You will all "take it like a man(wo-man)". Mr. Orenstein will manhandle you guys and you will be crying for the right to fly Beech 1900Cs. I am sick of all of this false bravery (bravado---an excellent SAT word)---we all don't know really what will happen---GG and Palumbo know, not us. As far as plan A versus plan B, do you really know which plan will help you the most? What about us? I think a possible pre-packaged Chap 11 with a sale afterwards might be the works, which could help our debt (selling you and ASA would help immediately---thanks Fred Greed for ordering all of those RJs) and pension problems. A combination with either NW or CAL would be great. No one has the cash to buy pieces of anything right now, except SW, and they don't want INTL stuff or Song. Our Plan B might be your worst nightmare, a marriage with Mesa and JO. To say that GG and Palumbo don't have a specific plan for DL success (in any form---alone or merged) is probably incorrect.


But, the days of "Condom Air, Delta Protection" may be over soon. We will have to have someone else "protect" us----with more money----like CHQ and Mesa.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[surplus1]

Boy, sure sounds like I pushed your button GL. Chill man, we can't take this stuff too seriously.

 

[General Lee]

Boy, sure sounds like I pushed your button GL. Chill man, we can't take this stuff too seriously.

No, I know. Sorry about that. I really enjoy my job and I hope everything turns out ok. I also have no idea what will happen to you guys, but I thought that "Condom Air, Delta Protection" saying was funny. Have a good night.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[crashpad]

I understand the Generals' fear and frustration. I feel his pain. Those regionals can really do a lot of damage....ah crud, I thought this was the Major Board! Um...you guys just keep plugging along, you're doing a great job! Long Live Mesa!

 

[jetflyer]

I don't think Delta MERGING with anyone is a for sure thing.

Who would want to merge and add $20+ Billion in debt to their books? I bet even after the sale of Comair/ASA $20+billion in debt will still be there. Time will tell.

Delta has a LOT more debt than Western could have ever imagined having. Delta really is more like Pan Am.

I think there really is a strong possibility that Delta in the future just might be dismantled in Ch 7 and then the pieces will get picked up. This will get rid of all $20+billion in debt for good. Bye bye debt. Sorry banks.

I hope this doesn't happen!! I hope that Delta stays strong and does merge with Continental or Northwest!! Just saying dismantling makes more sense to me UNFORTUNATELY.

Jet

 

[General Lee]

I don't think Delta MERGING with anyone is a for sure thing.

Who would want to merge and add $20+ Billion in debt to their books? I bet even after the sale of Comair/ASA $20+billion in debt will still be there. Time will tell.

Delta has a LOT more debt than Western could have ever imagined having. Delta really is more like Pan Am.

I think there really is a strong possibility that Delta in the future just might be dismantled in Ch 7 and then the pieces will get picked up. This will get rid of all $20+billion in debt for good. Bye bye debt. Sorry banks.

I hope this doesn't happen!! I hope that Delta stays strong and does merge with Continental or Northwest!! Just saying dismantling makes more sense to me UNFORTUNATELY.

Jet

Jet,

Again, you don't know what you are talking about. According to GG at the "incommand seminar" for new Captains, our debt will be decreased substantially with a sale of DCI. He said getting it down to a reasonable level will make it easier to pay off, and he said the pension legislation has a good chance of passing. That said, if we have to go into Chap 11, he alluded to the fact that the pensions would be gone "in order to please lenders." Doesn't sound like a dismantle job to me. What parts again would be dismantled and sold? Ok, the European ops, maybe the Shuttle slots, and what else? And, Delta is more like Pan Am than Western? Were born when Western was around? Come on. Yes, the debt we have is high, primarily due to RJ purchases since 9-11. And, who would want to merge with someone who has $20+ billion debt? No one. That is why we would shed some, either in or out of Chap 11, and then merge. Our ATL hub is the most successful hub in the world, carrying the most pax. CAL or NW would only buy the hub and then start over with nobody there? That makes no sense. I am glad that it MAKES MORE SENSE TO YOU that we would be dismantled first. Have you been hired yet at a DCI carrier Jet? Go for Mesa.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[79%N1]

Huh? Que? Taco assembly line for who? Maybe you guys. You think DL would be broken up into pieces? Uh, I don't think so. How did Grinstein do with Western Airlines? Did he cut that up too? Nah. If we are sold it will be as one piece, and we will complement whoever buys us. You guys on the otherhand, should be wondering if Mesa will treat you right. Grinstein has a plan, and you may not be in it. Remember, like Palumbo says....."We don't plan to fail....." and we will sell core assets in the meantime. That is YOU baby. Don't worry, you will be serving burritos before me, and that will make you manager when I get there. Can I get Sunday's off please???

Bye Bye--General Lee

The worst thing about you, GL, and why I cant stand you even a little is that you actually root for the failure of Comair and ASA......its like you would get the greatest kick out of seeing two great companies with so many wonderful people working hard every day for the same goal as you fail, and go away! So sad, if not disgusting! Dont even try to backtrack. You history shows otherwise......Man, were all on the same team, trying to do the same da.mn job ----- moving people from point A to point B for Delta. You defend the CHQ's and Mesa's, yet denounce ASA and Comair and would have sick pleasure at our demise. To quote Newman on a classic Seinfeld episode......."I loaaaaaath you!"