McCain Hates Pilots

[BigMeat]

I think and hope it's Obama vs. Gulianni. Two completely new people instead of Clinton or McCain. Scary thing is I think it will be one of those 4...so pick your poison. There might be way better candidates but I doubt they will have the recognition these 4 have. I would rather have Obama any day over Hillary...or Gulianni over McCain.

I feel exactly the same. I would lean toward Obama. Some fresh blood would be nice. Too many Bushs and Clintons.

 

[fried chickens]

agreed 100%.

Sad that the 'leadership' of both parties is going to force most of us to decide who to vote against rather than vote for.

sad but true

 

[Corona]

I like John McCain--except for this issue. I think John Kerry and Obama and Hillary could all care less about me either, however. I'm looking for a strong foreign policy president that doesn't hate unions or collective bargaining, and might just think twice before opening the doors to 100% free trade without considering some of the ramifications for American workers.

Good post, however I would suggest that this might not be the only issue on which McCain is a bit nuts. His clear hatred of airline pilots is not rational, so it's entirely likely he has other unhealthy attitudes about other segments of the population.

At any rate, I don't want to wait until he's President to find out.

I don't want to turn this into another Democrats vs. Republicans thread, but I don't really know yet what to think about Hillary or Obama. Hillary isn't Bill, despite how the jokes go. On the Republican side, I am more curious about Mitt Romney than the others.

At any rate, we need someone solid, level-headed and truly bipartisan next time. Then, all the other stuff like foreign policy, labor practices and so forth should naturally fall in line.

C

 

[Huck]

I can't get past Hillary's voice. Ten seconds of her speaking and I'm reminded of a drill bit that's just hit a nail.

 

[JethroFDX]

Jethro! What's up, buddy?

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, huh? All is good, hope all is well with you and your tribe. It's daylight, I'm going back to bed.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Mythbusters:

1. McCain does not "hate" airline pilots. He simply does not respect us, our profession, or our efforts to collectively bargain.

2. Clinton intervened in the APA "strike" because the APA leadership asked him to. Their contact was Bruce Lindsay, White House legal counsel (same guy who flew out to MSP and settled the NWA strike). I'm not sure why they asked Clinton to intervene, but they did.

 

[pipe]

Mythbusters:

1. McCain does not "hate" airline pilots. He simply does not respect us, our profession, or our efforts to collectively bargain.

2. Clinton intervened in the APA "strike" because the APA leadership asked him to. Their contact was Bruce Lindsay, White House legal counsel (same guy who flew out to MSP and settled the NWA strike). I'm not sure why they asked Clinton to intervene, but they did.

The "hate" thing was a sales tactic. I understand the likelihood that he hardly gives us a thought -- but when he does it's invariably bad for airline pilots. I am not pushing any election agenda other than "Not McCain in '08".

I just want as many folks as possible to see this information and make their own decision (and McCain makes that decision pretty easy in my opinion).

PIPE

 

[Occam's Razor]

I'm with ya, brother!

No McCain in '08!

 

[pipe]

Mythbusters:

1. McCain does not "hate" airline pilots. He simply does not respect us, our profession, or our efforts to collectively bargain.

2. Clinton intervened in the APA "strike" because the APA leadership asked him to. Their contact was Bruce Lindsay, White House legal counsel (same guy who flew out to MSP and settled the NWA strike). I'm not sure why they asked Clinton to intervene, but they did.

Although, Occam, on second thought it might be hate. From everything I've read, and anecdotes I've heard, I think it may be an emotionally based thing for McCain. I don't think it's all policy.

PIPE

 

[PCL_128]

I'm with ya, brother!

No McCain in '08!

Excellent. Time for a new signature line:

 

[Huck]

I thought the AA strike was perfect - the pilots got to show their solidarity, and yet didn't lose any income. Sounds like a good deal to me.....

 

[Jonny Sacko]

I heard McCain's gay on top of it!

 

[pipe]

I heard McCain's gay on top of it!

Actually, for an ancient dude, his wife is relatively young and hot. It may be his only redeeming quality.

PIPE

 

[nerdpilot]

A friend told me a story about a time he flew MCCain that sums up his position on pilots. My friend asked if MCCain would like him to take his bag to the A/c for him and his response was "no pilot should ever have to carry another mans bag."

 

[Champ42272]

I would have to respectfully agree with "Pipe".

I think McCain's attitude towards pilots is emotionally based, but not for the reasons posted on this thread so far.

Politicians only fear one thing - Someone (or some entity) with a voice. In America, it takes money to have a voice. Pilots who make big $$$, and who are organized nationally have a voice and can make national news with that voice (very similar to AOPA with over 400,00 members).

If your an incumbent, and/or running for re-election, the last thing you want is someone with a voice expressing ideas counter to your own.

McCain hates airline pilots because we represent "Big Labor" and the Republican Party represents "Big Business" (and anybody who thinks this isn't true needs to get his head examined).

Personally, I don't trust anyone named Clinton, don't know much about Obama, except I will believe an African-American can get elected President when I see it. For me it's Rudy!

As for McCain, I am glad he served, sorry he was a POW, hope he stays a US Senator and pray he doesn't make it to the White House.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Champ42272

 

[Lear70]

A friend told me a story about a time he flew MCCain that sums up his position on pilots. My friend asked if MCCain would like him to take his bag to the A/c for him and his response was "no pilot should ever have to carry another mans bag."

*cough* BULLSH*T!!!

I flew McCain. Not a coworker. Not a buddy. Me.

And I'm here to tell you he had us tote his bags just like any other charter passenger.

What a crock of sh*t...

 

[AMRCostUnit]

I had a LHR layover an dmet his son a couple of years ago. He said he was on better terms with him than in the past. I asked him why his dad had such a ha rd on for pilots. He really didn't know. I suspect his boy didn't make the Navy a carrer and broke the chain of Admirals in the family. JMO.

Unit

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Politicians only fear one thing - Someone (or some entity) with a voice. In America, it takes money to have a voice. Pilots who make big $$$, and who are organized nationally have a voice and can make national news with that voice (very similar to AOPA with over 400,00 members).

If your an incumbent, and/or running for re-election, the last thing you want is someone with a voice expressing ideas counter to your own.

McCain hates airline pilots because we represent "Big Labor" and the Republican Party represents "Big Business" (and anybody who thinks this isn't true needs to get his head examined).

That is correct.. the only way to have our voice is by giving money to our representation. Dues cannot be used... we must contribute voluntarily to our PACs. ALPA and CAPA have PACs so that we have a voice on CapHill.

I like John McCain--except for this issue. I think John Kerry and Obama and Hillary could all care less about me either, however. I'm looking for a strong foreign policy president that doesn't hate unions or collective bargaining, and might just think twice before opening the doors to 100% free trade without considering some of the ramifications for American workers.

Anybody got a name? I'm still searching...

One shot one kill isn't really the way to get things done. While the sitting president is important, many of the successes Air Line Pilot have had come from CapHill. For example the recent win over Foreign Control.

The only way to ensure pilots get the politicians that support us is money. Lots of green. This is done via PAC contributions. You can remove the duct tape over your mouth and protect and promote your career by contributing to your PAC...

 

[Lear70]

Anyone read the WSJ today?

Interesting article on how McCain is facing a LOT more opposition than he planned on due to the troubles Bush is having with the unpopularity of the war in Iraq.

As a result, Mayor G. in New York is getting a big gain in the polls and is suddenly a much bigger opponent than the McCain team thought they would initially be.

Interesting read...

 

[Hamburger]

Well said Hamburger...

BTW, FDR was a Democrat

I mentioned TEDDY (Soldier, Conservationist, Republican)... Not Franklin...

Still waiting to hear from soldiers that think that not even being able to produce any record of your time spent stateside during wartime is a quality you look for in a leader.

 

[71KILO]

I don't know if McCain still flys, but his wife (Cindy) owned a C-172 back in the mid-eighties. I used to fuel and wash her plane (sorta speak). With that said I would say he likes pilots. If his son flys for AA, that just adds to the fire. He doesn't like unions, thats the issue. Especially well paid unions. Arizona is not a big union state, never has been. There are unions there but not like back east. Military officers are conservatives by a wide majority and the McCain family is very military. With that said, I don't think anyone needs to worry about McCain, he's done. Unelectible really. Rudy McRomney is over. It's Rudy Rompson now. McCain's campaign is imploding, read drudge. So who cares really, what his thoughts are on unions.

 

[CitationLover]

I don't know if McCain still flys, but his wife (Cindy) owned a C-172 back in the mid-eighties. I used to fuel and wash her plane (sorta speak). With that said I would say he likes pilots. If his son flys for AA, that just adds to the fire. He doesn't like unions, thats the issue. Especially well paid unions. Arizona is not a big union state, never has been. There are unions there but not like back east. Military officers are conservatives by a wide majority and the McCain family is very military. With that said, I don't think anyone needs to worry about McCain, he's done. Unelectible really. Rudy McRomney is over. It's Rudy Rompson now. McCain's campaign is imploding, read drudge. So who cares really, what his thoughts are on unions.

i wonder if cindy kept her medical from all the drugs she did in the 1990's.

 

[Green]

Wait...senior United pilots make $342,000?

They did before 9/11 hit. Contract 2000 had end of contract top payrates of 345/hr. It's sad that so many pilots have already forgotten where our pay used to be. Everybody thinks current Fedex pay is the be all end all yet it's WAY below prior pay at Dal and Ual. We're our own worst enemies....

 

[Cardinal]

Bumpity, lest we forget.

 

[apache]

You think that Bush/Clinton were bad for this "profession", just wait until McLame gets his hands on the controls......

And in the interest of equal time. Hitlery will be no better.

 

[skiandsurf]

You think that Bush/Clinton were bad for this "profession", just wait until McLame gets his hands on the controls......

And in the interest of equal time. Hitlery will be no better.

Maybe its all politicians dont like pilots. I was at an FBO and Obama walked thru. He shook everyones hand, but not ours.

 

[PCL_128]

Maybe its all politicians dont like pilots. I was at an FBO and Obama walked thru. He shook everyones hand, but not ours.

Did you walk up to him? If you hung back in the shadows, I wouldn't expect him to seek you out.

 

[skiandsurf]

Did you walk up to him? If you hung back in the shadows, I wouldn't expect him to seek you out.

We were at the counter talking to the rampers waiting for his arrival. His parade of SUVs drove him straight to the plane, and he came inside to take a leak. On his way inside, he stopped 5 feet from me to shake hands with the FBO employees. He made no effort to shake my hand, so as he started walking away, I thru my hand out there, and he had to shake my hand.

If any of you have met him, you can back me up, that he has very small hands.

 

[PCL_128]

Probably not intentional. I wouldn't think too much of it.

 

[scarlet]

McCain thinks pilots make to much..He makes now 164,000.00 a year for maybe 6 months of work IN Which HE DOES NOT HAVE TO SHOW UP==

Just ask HILL and OBAMA,,GOD Obama been there what 2 years in Senate and maybe been there 7 whole months...=what a joke....Say the PLEDGE of allegiance to the flag..look it up=he does not cross his heart..check out the church he attends=YOU have to be BLACK....and middle name HUSSEIN? How many Americans do you know with Hussein?

Change==Change to what==tell us=No SUBSTANCE!
He doesn't show up now for change. Like the Iran vote?