Maybe a reson to vote Dem.

[Soverytired]

It is all about being represented...

The current laws, policy and culture in this country favor corporate America. The intent is to have your voice heard. Is that unamerican? Give those who have all the power and wealth....more just seems unreasonable...

Fuel prices out of control..... who should pay for it? Your CEO thinks pilots and the rest of labor should. Why should he work harder at being a CEO when he can use fear and force pilots to give up their pay...when it won't matter... the point....

The laws, policies and culture in our country help and allow him to do so.....

I want representation in Congress and from POTUS that doesn't allow my CEO to do so....

I understand your frustration with the revolving door of CEO's who's compensation is not tied to performance and seems much, much to high. I'll even go so far as to say that I share it. I'm not sure what you're hoping the federal government should do about it.

You DO have your voice heard at any publicly traded company if you own a piece of it. It's called proxy votes by the shareholders. Although rare, it's not unheard of for corporations to be shaken-up from within when the stockholders revolt. There is no reason that pilots couldn't devote, say, 10% of their paycheck to buying company stock and over time directing their union to use their proxy votes to shape the company.

Would you trust your union to manage your personal wealth this way? And to have long term effect, that stock would have to be locked up for a long time. Not to mention the fact that airlines are terrible investments.


Do you think your congressman should regulate how much CEO's earn at a private company? This seems heavy handed, grotesque, and un-American. And for those "re-regulate the airlines" pilots out there, remember this: if your congressman can tell your CEO what he can earn, he can do the same to you. If the US taxpayer is subsidizing your job, they're not going to put up with $150k salaries for you either, particularly since from their end the cost of air travel will almost certainly double if not triple.

"Pilots pay the cost of fuel" . . . you gotta be kidding! There's lots of things Congress can do about this, but the democrats have made it very clear that their hands are tied by their numerous 'nutter constituencies. The worst part is that most of the solutions would take at least a decade to have real impact anyway, so no matter who's in power, energy is going to be a real problem for the next few decades.

 

[Smarta$$]

If your position is that the entire airline industry needs massive federal subsidizes and re-regulation, then I agree . .the Dems are probably the party most likely to favor this route.

I personally think this would lead to very high prices for the consumer, a loss of between 1/3 and 1/2 of all pilot jobs, and the elimination and/or shrinkage of quite a few carriers. However, for those lucky pilots who are "in" and survive the shakeout, it would probably lead to greater job security.

That said, two elected officials offhandedly mentioning maybe having hearings in the sometime-future to totally upset the apple cart by massive federal intervention in the private market isn't something I'd hang my vote on. For me, there are more important issues and certainly much better ways to deal with the airline economy that are both far less intrusive and much cheaper for the taxpayer and the flying public.

Nor am I impressed with the "ALPA behind the scenes" train of thought. This means they can claim credit for everything . . . while never being held accountable for anything. ALPA has an official regulatory agenda, and that is what they must be judged on. Their record of accomplishments in the past decade has been less than impressive (duty time, lost on the age 65 rule, etc.) I know it's been a tough environment for them, but they should be judged on results, not empty promises.

However . . . if your #1 voting criteria is airline re-regulation to "save" the airlines, then I agree you're choosing the correct party.

You missed my point entirely. I am not of the belief that either party can magically save the airline industry. The industry is only in trouble now because of out of control fuel prices. Oil prices may go down, they may not. Personally, I think they will not go down meaningfully until a viable replacement is found.

The point is, if these companies turn the corner for the good, as they often have in the past and even the recent past, I want to have a seat at the table. The executives should not be the only pepple being compensated during good economic times.

And when times do go bad, the employees should not be the only ones taking meaningful reductions in compensation.

My contract is 9 years old, 3+ years expired at a very profitable company. Yet I take a 4-10% pay cut every year because of inflation. A very politacally motivated NMB is what is protecting my CEO and reducing my families earning power.

 

[Soverytired]

You missed my point entirely. I am not of the belief that either party can magically save the airline industry. The industry is only in trouble now because of out of control fuel prices. Oil prices may go down, they may not. Personally, I think they will not go down meaningfully until a viable replacement is found.

The point is, if these companies turn the corner for the good, as they often have in the past and even the recent past, I want to have a seat at the table. The executives should not be the only pepple being compensated during good economic times.

And when times do go bad, the employees should not be the only ones taking meaningful reductions in compensation.
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Yet there are scores of things Congress can do to encourage a strong airline economy. Ask yourself which party would be willing to do something meaningful to help airlines into profitability.

(I confess . . . I don't think either party will do much . . . but I do think the republicans MIGHT do some things better)

The best way to negotiate a good contract is to work for a consistently profitable carrier and have a union that is smart, nimble, and above all, not greedy. Southwest probably is the exemplar of this.

"I hope the airlines get better, then I hope Congress will let me strike" isn't much of a strategy. It's almost infantile. Should unions be allowed to strike after a reasonable period of time? Certainly. PERHAPS the pendulum has swung too far towards management in this regard, but the point is utterly moot and has been for years.

The fundamental and completely obvious problem is that airlines in the US are financial disasters and have been for at least a decade.

What you should be asking yourself is how European carriers can be profitable both domestically and internationally with unionized groups that are quite well compensated. It's complicated, but it's not because they can't strike (they can). It's not because their CEO's are underpaid (they aren't). Or their gas is cheaper.

One last thought . . . . Unions did not come into their heyday in the US many years ago because the government encouraged them. Quite the opposite, actually. Unions still have the ability to bring any airline to its knees, they just don't have the cojones.

 

[Herman Bloom]

I agree.....

As a kid, I used to wonder why my Grandparents disliked Jimmy Carter so much.... After watching that idiot buddy-up with every anti-U.S. dictator in the whole freaking world, I have come to better understand their concerns. This Curious-George-looking freakshow makes Carter look ultra-conservative. There is no telling the damage he would do to our economic freedoms and civil liberties.

I would much rather risk the short-term damage to my career that you all seem to be so afraid of than risk losing whatever if left I value of this country. There is more at stake than what the govt. can do to protect your career.

Personally, I would rather pay for my own healthcare than pay 86% taxes and get it for "free."

Do you have any idea how much Carter has contributed to the greater good since his presidency?

And you already do pay a "tax" for healthcare, it just ends up in the pockets of 1) Pfizer/etc. and 2) Insurance companies. What do you know about healthcare in the first place?

Just focus on keeping the blue side up and leave the serious stuff to the professionals.

 

[Abernathy]

Do you have any idea how much Carter has contributed to the greater good since his presidency?

And you already do pay a "tax" for healthcare, it just ends up in the pockets of 1) Pfizer/etc. and 2) Insurance companies. What do you know about healthcare in the first place?

Just focus on keeping the blue side up and leave the serious stuff to the professionals.

:beer:

 

[Soverytired]

Do you have any idea how much Carter has contributed to the greater good since his presidency?

And you already do pay a "tax" for healthcare, it just ends up in the pockets of 1) Pfizer/etc. and 2) Insurance companies. What do you know about healthcare in the first place?

Just focus on keeping the blue side up and leave the serious stuff to the professionals.

Probably nowhere near as much as GW Bush senior or WJ Clinton. They both have charity foundation endowments worth tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars.

Carter's work with "Habitat for Humanity" may be honorable work, but in terms of substance over style, there are far better examples.

Carter's an embarrassment because he still thinks he's a US diplomat and has a very bad habit of undercutting current US diplomatic efforts while giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US and our allies. Even Clinton and the previous Bush have more class than this. (Of course, there was his utterly disastrous presidency, so I guess he has to try to redeem himself somehow)

Guess you'd have no problem if the current Bush spent his retired years publicly undercutting the efforts of the coming Obama presidency?

 

[Herman Bloom]

Ever heard of the Carter Center? How about the Nobel Peace Prize? The Schweitzer Prize?

"Giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the US"? You can't be serious. His efforts have always been directed towards giving "aid and comfort" to the victims of political/social/economic strife.

 

[DenverCrashpad]

If Iran gets nukes, it's all over for everyone. At least with the Soviets, we had mutually assured destruction. With these guys, they don't care. Hillary and Barrack wanna sit down with this guy while McCain wants to take action.

 

[PCL_128]

If Iran gets nukes, it's all over for everyone. At least with the Soviets, we had mutually assured destruction. With these guys, they don't care. Hillary and Barrack wanna sit down with this guy while McCain wants to take action.

McCain: the candidate of irrational fear.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If Iran gets nukes, it's all over for everyone. At least with the Soviets, we had mutually assured destruction. With these guys, they don't care. Hillary and Barrack wanna sit down with this guy while McCain wants to take action.

McCain is selling fear like gift cards at the checkout line..... and people can't buy enough....

 

[Jmoney]

Fear....

McCain is selling fear like gift cards at the checkout line..... and people can't buy enough....

I damn sure will line up to fear Obama. That guy is a bona-fide communist! My job ain't worth voting for that Stalin!

 

[Herman Bloom]

I damn sure will line up to fear Obama. That guy is a bona-fide communist! My job ain't worth voting for that Stalin!

So it's obvious you don't know the definition of either "bona-fide" or "communist." That or you've given up all hope of rational thought.

Good luck finding the voting booth.

Hint: it's not at Wal-Mart.

 

[spinproof]

McCain is selling fear like gift cards at the checkout line..... and people can't buy enough....

Pa-lese!!!!Oh and the Dems don't trot out that tired, but effective, scare tactic that the Republicans will take away their Social Security!!!

At Least the fear of attack by Muslim radicals is realistic!!!!!!!

So you're PFTs butt boys butt boy. Makes sense since neither of you do!

 

[spinproof]

So it's obvious you don't know the definition of either "bona-fide" or "communist." That or you've given up all hope of rational thought.

Good luck finding the voting booth.

Hint: it's not at Wal-Mart.

Why don't you help us out Einstein. It's really hard to pin this curious George down since he doesn't like to talk specifics..unless raising taxes,universal healthcare, cut and running in Iraq, re-distributing wealth, and talking directly to any third world commie isn't what you call Bona-fide!

Is socialist better for you!! Remember this guy has 3, count them ,3 muslim names! If it walks , talks ,and looks,it is!

 

[Herman Bloom]

Why don't you help us out Einstein. It's really hard to pin this curious George down since he doesn't like to talk specifics..unless raising taxes,universal healthcare, cut and running in Iraq, re-distributing wealth, and talking directly to any third world commie isn't what you call Bona-fide!

Is socialist better for you!! Remember this guy has 3, count them ,3 muslim names! If it walks , talks ,and looks,it is!

"Talking to any third world commie"? Used to be called "diplomacy."

You clearly don't know the definition of "socialist" either. So you are claiming that Obama is a socialist muslim? Not sure what that means, really, except that you like to talk out of your a$$.

P.S.: Barak Obama is not a muslim, and if he was, he would have every right to run for president of this free nation.

 

[Soverytired]

No one knows what Obama is. He's barely been a Senator, never successfully sponsored meaningful federal legislation, and always votes hard left. His very election into the Senate was a huge fluke anyway; caused when the Republican candidate in IL went down in a 9th inning sex scandal.

If you're looking for a candidate who has a proven track record of "reaching across the aisle" to build sacred "consensus", McCain is your man.

Obama is a somewhat skilled orator (his numerous gaffes are dutifully covered by a enthralled media) . . . . but a bold visionary leader, or bi-partisian legislator, HE MOST DEFINITELY IS NOT.

Personally, I think it's an embarrassment to both parties that these two chuckle heads are the best they can come up with.


The iron law of oligarchy rears its ugly head.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

No one knows what Obama is. He's barely been a Senator, never successfully sponsored meaningful federal legislation, and always votes hard left. His very election into the Senate was a huge fluke anyway; caused when the Republican candidate in IL went down in a 9th inning sex scandal.

If you're looking for a candidate who has a proven track record of "reaching across the aisle" to build sacred "consensus", McCain is your man.

Obama is a somewhat skilled orator (his numerous gaffes are covered by a enthralled media) . . . . but a bold visionary leader, or bi-partisian legislator, HE MOST DEFINITELY IS NOT.

Personally, I think it's an embarrassment to both parties that these two chuckle heads are the best they can come up with.


The iron law of oligarchy rears its ugly head.

The Air Line Pilot profession is good for this country...

The safety work that unions do benifits the public.

When the profession is threatened and safety is deminished... the profession needs to be able to call the White House and talk with someone...

Who is a bigger chuckle head... the one that will or will not pick up the phone and talk to pilots...

 

[Soverytired]

The Air Line Pilot profession is good for this country...

The safety work that unions do benifits the public.

When the profession is threatened and safety is deminished... the profession needs to be able to call the White House and talk with someone...

Who is a bigger chuckle head... the one that will or will not pick up the phone and talk to pilots...

I'm sorry Rez. I just think there are a sh!!load more important issues facing the US right now than having a President who shares your huge hard-on for ALPA.

On a scale of the 100 things I think are most important for my country, I'd have to rate this towards the bottom.

I know you think the two active wars, alternative energy sources, an education crisis, retirement reform, economic trade deficit, declining dollar, declining world prestige, a resurgent Russia, a rising China, climate-change (or not), a porous border, national security, and so on and so forth is all subordinate to having a President who, like you, gets a big 'ole boner when "ALPA" calls.

I'm not even saying any other candidate can, will, or is addressing these other issues. I just question the rationality of a voter who makes this one issue the only reason to vote for a candidate.

But . . . that's why it's still a free country. Cheers.

 

[olympus593]

Why don't you help us out Einstein. It's really hard to pin this curious George down since he doesn't like to talk specifics..unless raising taxes,universal healthcare, cut and running in Iraq, re-distributing wealth, and talking directly to any third world commie isn't what you call Bona-fide!

Is socialist better for you!! Remember this guy has 3, count them ,3 muslim names! If it walks , talks ,and looks,it is!

"curious George" THAT A NEW LOW, WOULD YOU CALL A BLACK PERSON THAT TO HIS FACE?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'm sorry Rez. I just think there are a sh!!load more important issues facing the US right now than having a President who shares your huge hard-on for ALPA.

No doubt... that is why when I vote for POTUS, I am not done.. I contact my congressmen and work the issues over the four years... Customizing my politics. When hobby issues like guns, gays and abortion come up, I'll let my congressmen know where I stand... In addition, I give money to the lobby groups that share my views on the issues. If I want, I'll volunteer my time to those organizations..

See.. I don't put all my politics and hopes into one POTUS vote every four years... And many do when you look at the voter participation for POTUS and those for congress. Many vote for POTUS not many vote for congress.

On a scale of the 100 things I think are most important for my country, I'd have to rate this towards the bottom.

Good for you. My house note and ability to earn a living is pretty important to me.... yours is your choice...

And it for most people... they just take it for granted and operate under false pretenses of wealth. Just cause we got an SUV, flat screen TV and a hugh house doesn't mean we are wealthy or living well.

Most people if not many can't make two months of bill payments with no income. If they lose their job they are very screwed. And for airline pilots who have gotten screwed fr seven years... when is it enough?? But... hey... there are more important issues...right...??

I know you think the two active wars, alternative energy sources, an education crisis, retirement reform, economic trade deficit, declining dollar, declining world prestige, a resurgent Russia, a rising China, climate-change (or not), a porous border, national security, and so on and so forth is all subordinate to having a President who, like you, gets a big 'ole boner when "ALPA" calls.

Agreed... that is why there is not an Air Line Pilot Party. If there was I wouldn't vote for him. I am pretty sure the Congress and POTUS will be able to work all the above issues...

I'm not even saying any other candidate can, will, or is addressing these other issues. I just question the rationality of a voter who makes this one issue the only reason to vote for a candidate.

As I said... I think they can and will address the issues... I have optimism for the future and the coming generations. I don't live in fear.

However, I do want to be able to defend my profession.

The medical profession is being weaken too.... Should Doctors just let the lawyers and insurance companies take over? Let CorpAmerican devalue the medical profession for shareholder profits?

But . . . that's why it's still a free country. Cheers.

Its too bad many do not really know what that means...... know what I mean?

 

[Soverytired]

Its too bad many do not really know what that means...... know what I mean?

Wow Rez, you really are a sanctimonious prick, you know that? Nice to know my contributions and vote will cancel yours out. Not to mention the fact that the vast majority of pilots have their head screwed on straight when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Again, name one piece of proposed federal legislation by ALPA, your congressman, or your presidential candidate of choice that will improve the airline economy, thereby guaranteeing jobs for everyone in the airline business. (Pension reform doesn't count, ALPA dicked this one up a long time ago)

You can't, because they aren't. Oblique references by rogue congressmen for possible "hearings" don't count . . nor does the "ALPA secretly working behind the scenes" either . . . you may as well say the tooth fairy and black helicopters if you buy that route.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Wow Rez, you really are a sanctimonious prick, you know that? Nice to know my contributions and vote will cancel yours out. Not to mention the fact that the vast majority of pilots have their head screwed on straight when it comes to this kind of stuff.

I take it you really don't have much more to contribute to this debate. Look I am all for rational, thought provoking discussion. IF you have a valid point and pragmatic debate, I might even change my mind...

Again, name one piece of proposed federal legislation by ALPA, your congressman, or your presidential candidate of choice that will improve the airline economy, thereby guaranteeing jobs for everyone in the airline business. (Pension reform doesn't count, ALPA dicked this one up a long time ago)

Oh so you get to decide what counts and what deosn't. YOU are The Decider? Where have I hear that?

Once again, you fail to understand. It is not about exclusive legislation geared towards a specific group that cures all sickness. As I told you... voting for POTUS once every for years is not being a good American.

One piece of legislation that ALPA is working on is FMLA reform. As you may or may not know companies can exclude pilots/FAs from FMLA. This may not be a big deal to you, but little ALPA is slow and methodical. They are on the Hill making changes.

Sure that is not good enough for you... you want an all you can eat, one stop shopping, satisfaction guarantee, one bullet, one kill bill on the Hill to make everything better. And until it happens you'll denounce the profession.... right?

You can't, because they aren't. Oblique references by rogue congressmen for possible "hearings" don't count . . nor does the "ALPA secretly working behind the scenes" either . . . you may as well say the tooth fairy and black helicopters if you buy that route.

Secretly working behind the scenes actually happened when ALPA was working with the TTD or transportations trades department ( www.ttd.org )
preventing the GOP congress from equating a labor strike to an act of terrorism and natural disaster, promting a gov't response. The precedence set in this Port Security Draft would have been devastating for unions. This draft legislation of course was in response to the Dubai Ports/Bush Admin fiasco.

Didn't hear about that one.... did you?

 

[acaTerry]

McCain hates pilots with a passion.

Oh puh-leez. McCain hates whoever he needs to hate at the time in order to get to the Office. As an example, look how many times he changed his mind on the abortion issue: Oh yes, life is sacred. Wait, uh, let a woman choose to kill the baby, er, I mean, um, but she is killing a baby, but, er, um it's her right, um, um...
Classic McCain. In this election whether you vote for "Everything for Everyone" Hillary, Dodge The Issue Obama, or flipflop McCain, there will be no winner, just 400,000,000 losers.

 

[Soverytired]

I take it you really don't have much more to contribute to this debate. Look I am all for rational, thought provoking discussion. IF you have a valid point and pragmatic debate, I might even change my mind...

One piece of legislation that ALPA is working on is FMLA reform. As you may or may not know companies can exclude pilots/FAs from FMLA. This may not be a big deal to you, but little ALPA is slow and methodical. They are on the Hill making changes.

Sure that is not good enough for you... you want an all you can eat, one stop shopping, satisfaction guarantee, one bullet, one kill bill on the Hill to make everything better. And until it happens you'll denounce the profession.... right?

Secretly working behind the scenes actually happened when ALPA was working with the TTD or transportations trades department ( www.ttd.org )
preventing the GOP congress from equating a labor strike to an act of terrorism and natural disaster, promting a gov't response. The precedence set in this Port Security Draft would have been devastating for unions. This draft legislation of course was in response to the Dubai Ports/Bush Admin fiasco.

Didn't hear about that one.... did you?

Rez . . .if you want a "debate", you have to present specific issues to discuss. Saying one party will ensure your job without specifically discussing pertinent federal legislation or action (i.e. the "how") is utterly meaningless.

In that vein: I was not aware of the FLMA loophole for airline employees. This was clearly a case where the intent of the legislation was being stymied by the conflicting airline duty time regulations, and it needs to be addressed. Hurray for ALPA for almost getting this corrected after a mere FIFTEEN YEARS.

That said, I consider this a minor correction to an entitlement that most airlines honor anyway, and certainly could have been negotiated by labor groups anyway. Besides, few airline employees take advantage of it anyway . . . who can afford to take off 12 weeks without pay? It is a technical correction to a flawed bill that should be fixed, but on a practical level it has very little impact either way.

I'm not impressed with the "behind the scenes" argument for an organization that takes millions in dues from it's members. This is an easy out: all good things that happen are credited to "secret meetings", all bad things are assigned to nefarious outside forces. You may as well tell me that it was your letter to your congressman that stopped this provision of the PSD from being enacted. How could I prove otherwise?

I'm not asking for a "one stop" solution. I'm asking for specific proposals that ALPA and/or labor is pushing that will strengthen a very weak airline economy.

Consider: If the Taft-Hartley Act was repealed tomorrow, do you think this would make your job more secure, or less? Do you believe this should be a stated goal of ALPA, or at least a "secret one"?

 

[PCL_128]

In that vein: I was not aware of the FLMA loophole for airline employees. This was clearly a case where the intent of the legislation was being stymied by the conflicting airline duty time regulations, and it needs to be addressed. Hurray for ALPA for almost getting this corrected after a mere FIFTEEN YEARS.

For nearly 15 years, it wasn't necessary to do anything about it. The airlines honored the bill just as every other employer did. In the past couple of years, a small handful of airlines have decided that there is a "loophole" that allows them to ignore the legislation. This has created a reason to close the loophole.

That said, I consider this a minor correction to an entitlement that most airlines honor anyway, and certainly could have been negotiated by labor groups anyway. Besides, few airline employees take advantage of it anyway . . . who can afford to take off 12 weeks without pay? It is a technical correction to a flawed bill that should be fixed, but on a practical level it has very little impact either way.

As a union rep, I assisted pilots with FMLA constantly. You'd be amazed how many people benefit greatly from this law. Diminishing its value demonstrates that you aren't really aware of what issues affect your fellow pilots on a daily basis.

I'm not impressed with the "behind the scenes" argument for an organization that takes millions in dues from it's members. This is an easy out: all good things that happen are credited to "secret meetings", all bad things are assigned to nefarious outside forces. You may as well tell me that it was your letter to your congressman that stopped this provision of the PSD from being enacted. How could I prove otherwise?

I'm not asking for a "one stop" solution. I'm asking for specific proposals that ALPA and/or labor is pushing that will strengthen a very weak airline economy.

I understand what you're saying, but unfortunately, politics is usually a "behind the scenes" business. Real business doesn't get conducted on the House and Senate floors. It gets conducted in back rooms and over drinks. It gets conducted in the Capital hallways and over the phone. It gets conducted in restaurants and in the homes of representatives. If you think real business gets conducted out in the open, then you've watched "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" far too many times. Welcome to the real world of politics.

Consider: If the Taft-Hartley Act was repealed tomorrow, do you think this would make your job more secure, or less? Do you believe this should be a stated goal of ALPA, or at least a "secret one"?

Taft-Hartley is an abomination and a disgrace to democracy. The founding fathers would be sickened to read such a document. It undermines every single principal that this country was built upon. Not only should it be repealed, but we should be completely ashamed that it was ever law in the first place.

That being said, it has little affect on us as pilots. The RLA is the law of the land for us as pilots, and Taft-Hartley, the NLRA, and many other labor laws generally don't apply to our operations.

 

[Cokie907]

Look, either way it goes, the Democrats win this November. Either we get a socialist-appeaser who believes in a living, breathing Constitution or we get a left leaning pseudo-socialist who believes in national defense. To celebrate the impending victory, I leave you with some of my favorite Democrat slogans:

The best thing to ever happen to the Democrat party was the Great Depression.
4 out of 5 terrorists surveyed recommend Democrats for president.
Give hope to Osama, Vote for Obama.
We'd rather buy oil from terrorists than drill for it ourselves because we're smart.
You like our nomination process, you should see us run Congress!
If Bill Clinton was the first black president, then Obama must be his twin brother.

 

[spinproof]

"Talking to any third world commie"? Used to be called "diplomacy."

You clearly don't know the definition of "socialist" either. So you are claiming that Obama is a socialist muslim? Not sure what that means, really, except that you like to talk out of your a$$.

P.S.: Barak Obama is not a muslim, and if he was, he would have every right to run for president of this free nation.

This country has never talked to any commie nation without preconditions! The only A$$ talker is you! Which I might add is your forte!
Barack(Muslim name) Hussein(Muslim Name) Obama(Muslim name) is what he is called! He claims to be Christian...I really can't tell...so far!
You Dems are gonna get a big surprise..it'll be coming from your own! Hillary was your best chance!

 

[spinproof]

Do you have any idea how much Carter has contributed to the greater good since his presidency?

And you already do pay a "tax" for healthcare, it just ends up in the pockets of 1) Pfizer/etc. and 2) Insurance companies. What do you know about healthcare in the first place?

Just focus on keeping the blue side up and leave the serious stuff to the professionals.

You are a complete baffoon!!! Carter has done more harm than any good of building a few houses will correct!

 

[spinproof]

:beer:

Baffoons love company!!!!

 

[spinproof]

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