Majors vs. Beliefs

[CYQQ]

I would suggest contacting someone in El Al, Saudia, or Egypt Air. Most of their pilots hold very strict religious beliefs yet they continue to operate on the sabbath.

They have obviously found a way to reconcile their beliefs with the demands of their job. Perhaps there is some form of religious dispensation for this type of work. eg. Muslim pilots are allowed to eat during Ramadan so long as they make up a day of fasting later in the year.

Best of Luck

 

[Juvat]

Would you feel better if she put "etc." at the end of the religions listed?

Seems they were meant as examples, not an all-inclusive list.

Hmmmm...funny that the the religions chosen in that example are typically the ones singled out by religious bigots. I think the choice of religions in that post is actually very telling.

Anyway, to make a more basic point: as a pilot, we try to be precise in everything we do. This shows in our flying, and it should also show up every now and then when we attempt to make logical arguments. This thread is too interesting to let others bring down the dialogue with inaccurate generalizations.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Movin,

Pick another aspect of aviation for your career. Airlines are not, and will never be compatible with your faith.

It would be foolish to pursue this path given your beliefs. Airlines are 24/7 365. It will only alienate you in your career.

If air ambulance works for your beliefs, Go for that instead.

 

[Heathen]

Movin On...

Movin,

Pick another aspect of aviation for your career. Airlines are not, and will never be compatible with your faith.

It would be foolish to pursue this path given your beliefs. Airlines are 24/7 365. It will only alienate you in your career.

If air ambulance works for your beliefs, Go for that instead.

Speaking of religion, I guess being a Zion Coptic or Rastafarian is not compatable with aviation. Given their sacred herb ritual. What about the Santerians????

 

[Ty Webb]

Hmmm . . . . so what are we going to do to accomodate the Rastafarians? Jah, Mon. Hand da spleef my way . . . I gwine a get ta' morrow off enny way.

Seriously . . . your religious beliefs are at odds with the requirements of the job description of an airline pilot. If you can't reconcile your beliefs with the job description, you need to find a job that is right for you. There are church-operated jet aircraft . . . . I suggest you try to find one to work for, instead of expecting an airline to grant you special favors and privileges.

 

[flynlow]

If you think getting paid to read the paper at 350 is work, you've got it all wrong. Just make sure you don't have any inflight emergencies on Saturdays.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

I must ask if I may!!!!!

No Flying on Sundays ?!?!?

Whats next???

I cant Spank it to some good hotel porn?

NOW IM GOING ON STRIKE!!!!

 

[sleepy]

El Al might be the only airline for you. They do not fly on Saturday.

 

[J32driver]

First off, I respect your religious beliefs. But, You already know the answer to your question if you simply look at the ultimate end to your request.

If you get Saturday off because of certain needs, then your employer must offer the same options to anyone who requests it. If they don't, it is simple descrimination. Everyone at my airline would like to have Saturday off, but we all know that is impossible.

Airlines in the U.S. are not a realistic option for you. Your best bets are probably corporate or Foreign companies that share your same requirement to have Saturdays off.

 

[MetroSheriff]

I can't believe the amount of negativity out here because a guy asked a simple question. Some of you idiots need to get a life. MOU, I posted a reply in the regional forum. If you'd like talk about this more pm me.

Give the guy a frickin' break.

As the old song goes:

"Please don't ask me what I think of you, because I might not give the answer that you want me to..."

 

[FatesPawn]

Listen everybody....I AM LOOKING FOR INFO AND NOT EVERYBODIES OPINION

MOU,

I hope this falls under the "info" column.

Airline applications rarely have the check-box "are you willing to work weekends and holidays..." anymore. Instead, they've switched to a simple statement of "This job requires irregular days, hour and shifts... etc"

I respect you for your beliefs and for you sticking to your guns. But, if you can't meet the "Condition of employment" of irregular hours and shifts, it would be lie to sign your name to that application.

I assume you are a moral individual and as such, you would bring this fact up in the interview and allow the airline decide if their irregular schedule can be meshed to YOUR pre-requisites to accept the job.

Good luck your career.

Fate.

 

[capt. megadeth]

"Wow... a lot of anti-semites on here... can't say I'm surprised"

This is dumb....just because people don't agree with someone getting a certain day off because of religious beliefs does not mean they are anti-semites. Stupid.

So if I don't agree with affirmative action, does that mean I don't like women and minorities? Duh

 

[TonyC]

So if I don't agree with affirmative action, does that mean I don't like women and minorities? Duh

Wait!


You like women?!?!






.

 

[capt. megadeth]

"You like women?!?!"

he he

 

[Movin' on up!]

Wow....maybe for my next post I will ask who will make a better president...Kerry or Bush? Hows' that for controversy? Anyway....
Hugh--You really need to read my original post. Hope you don't read your approach plates like you read my post. I never said I was going to sue, I said that someone sued for that time off.
dash8driver....I sense some anger issues with you. Better have a talk with someone about that.
To all the rest...I am trying to find out what possibilities exist. True, I asked for your info and some of your opinions actually had something for me. I guess my mistake here was to expect respectful answers from a group of PROFESSIONALS who are in the industry. I did not ask for your opinion on my religion or beliefs, but I did ask as to how bring both my career and beliefs together. I don't expect anything from any company. Do I feel entitled to anything? Sure. The constitution entitles me to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...and as such, I do expect an opportunity. If I fail....then I had my opportunity.
According to dash8driver...
Its like saying that I don't fly with gay pilots because that would encroach on my rights. Huh? What does it matter? They have their life and if it bothers you, well that is too bad. I have my beliefs, and if they bother you, too bad. But I still should get my opportunity. I know Alaska Airline had a provision for people with religious days, but that was many years ago and don't know if they still do.
Have I ever demanded anythingfrom any company? NO. If I have to sue to get a job, then it is not worth it to me. I can't justify suing with my beliefs. I know of people who keep certain days sacred who are Captains in the majors and regionals. How did they do it? I don't know and I can't get a hold of anyone to ask. That is why I asked you all. So please, be like kerosenesnorter, be a professional, respectful and give me an answers that doesn't attack me or my beliefs. That is the kind of answer I am looking for. I know it is almost impossible for this to work out for me. But I have to try to find a way. It would be irresponsible for me otherwise. If not, then I can continue to do what I do now or seek other kinds of employment.

 

[#1 Windmilling]

SHAMROCK,

AWESOME AVATER, BRO! Let's hope it is against Jeter's, Sheffield's, A-Rod's and Matsui's religion to hit baseballs on Tuesdays and Wednesdays! Oh year, throw in Williams and Posada too. Time to move off this thread.....

_GO SOX!!!

 

[MCDU]

The World would be so much better today without all these religous groups.
Whos right and whos wrong? Its all a big business called religion. (I do know that Santa Clause exists). Its funny that the most peaceful and prosperous countries in the world do not have strong religious beliefs. Like Lenin said. Religion is the opium for the poor and uneducated.

Marty

 

[climbhappy]

keeping a religious custom is legalism, it's against God's word.

St. Paul, who wrote most of the new testament clearly preaches( if you'll read his letters to the church at Corinth,Rome, Phillipi, Thessolonica and Galatia about SUBSTITUTING WHAT JESUS DID AT THE CROSS WITH THE KEEPING OF THE LAW. THIS WOULD MEAN THAT ANYONE WITH THE MIND THAT BY OBSERVING THE SABBATH, OR ANOTHER CUSTOM, THEY WOULD HAVE SOMEHOW SATISFIED GOD OR EARNED HIS FAVOR. THIS IS BLASPHEMY BECAUSE IT NULLIFIES WHAT THE CROSS MEANS. WE'RE ALL SINNERS AND SINCE WE CAN'T EVER COME CLOSE TO KEEPING THE LAW (I.E. keeping the sabbath, not dipping, not drinking, not eating pork, not working on sundays, not having premarital sex, and on and on) This is what legalism is. St. Paul clearly says these things my not be good for us, but if we think that by abstaining from them OR COMPLYING WITH THEM (IN THE CASE OF THIS POSTER) we have earned favor with God, then we are dead wrong.

Any thing that attempts to change the One time payment for all our sins IS AGAINST THE WORD OF GOD .LEGALISM IS THE BIGGEST MALADY AFFECTING THE MODERN DAY CHURCH. If you miss church for a job don't sweat it. If you have a drink , don't sweat it. if you sin in any way, don't sweat it. Now that's Good news.

 

[Heathen]

Like Lenin said. Religion is the opium for the poor and uneducated.

Marty

I think that was actually Karl Marx, you know, of the Marx brothers fame.
Karl, Groucho, Zippo.....Opium is the mother of all analgestics, now who said that?

 

[MCDU]

Yep, I think your right. I knew it was some commie.