Majors vs. Beliefs

[flyfastinmy10]

If you bring this up in the interview with the same conviction you will not be hired. You are applying for a job that is in conflict with your beleifs. If you don't bring it up you are lying. If you lie and get the job the legal system will protect you.
Now is where morality comes to play. It's your decision.

 

[dash8driver]

does it list in the SDA book o rules the exceptions to allow you to work on saturday? you say that the people at the SDA hospitals work when needed because people dont choose when they get hurt. is that laid out in the SDA rules or is it how the individuals justified it in order to work there? if so, you can get a job at an airline and work saturdays because you cant help when you're scheduled to work, until you're senior enough to bid for those days off.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Look, if the operation runs 24/7 the junior (seniority) people work weekends and holidays. At most airlines, you are on "probation' for the first 6-12 months. During that time, the airline can probably find something to terminate you for if they want to. If you are going to restrict the days that you are available to work, you should probably avoid any schedule carrier that operates on those days.

 

[Dennis Miller]

I'm allergic to peanuts, ya think I might be in the wrong business? Ok, I’m really not but this is what happens when you elect lawyers. Shakespeare said first kill all the lawyers. I've been doing some thinking, I think we could get away with it because if you kill all of them, at our murder trial, we wouldn't have adequate representation.

 

[cathal]

Dear Movin',
Any request such as the one you are considering making will have to fall under "reasonable accomodation."
I doubt seriously that it is reasonable to expect special, specific scheduling favors from any airline, especially a regional airline. They will easily be able to claim economic hardship when it comes to giving you your request.
The reason people keep giving you their opinion is because they think you're failing this "resonability" test. Animal sacrifice and Peyote use are religious endeavors in some circles, but to expect an airline to allow these practices to affect a pilot's work schedule would be unreasonable. Where to draw this line is the reason we have judges and lawyers.
The question being raised by those deriding you is "where would this end?"
Does the Atheist disqualify herself from religious hlidays? Do all the Muslim pilots take off Ramadan because their blood sugar is too low?
Or does being an airline pilot require so much more than just ratings that no one can understand what it is to be an airline pilot except for airline pilots?
You will certainly be met with more derision than you have seen on this board by the person senior to you who is working the weekend that you have off, just because you view yourself as more devout than they are.
I hope you will seek out your own peace with your religion/work balance.

 

[wwcflyboy]

I can't believe the amount of negativity out here because a guy asked a simple question. Some of you idiots need to get a life. MOU, I posted a reply in the regional forum. If you'd like talk about this more pm me.

Give the guy a frickin' break.

 

[freighterguy]

Schedule the guy to layover all day Saturday in El Paso. See how long his "commitment" lasts.

 

[CaptSeth]

I don't know what your religious background is, and I respect your right to observe as you choose. There are jobs that will be acceptable, if you don't mind NOT flying for an airline. Perhaps corporate, air ambulance, something like that. Your quality of life might not be so hot though.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

I don't know where in the world ya'll get the idea that I am going to sue.

That would be the 2nd sentence of your first post.

I simply asked for an opinion or info on the matter.

And that's precisely what you got. Wrong business for you. Live with it.

 

[CatYaaak]

As mentioned before, it seems to me most applications ask you when you're willing to work. If you check all the boxes (indicating you'll work anytime), you're not being truthful, and if you make a stink later they'd be within their rights to fire you for lying on your app. If you indicate you won't work weekends/evenings, let the chips fall where they may. If you do that and they DO hire you, they'll just have to work it out.

I don't think you'll get hired though. Time to find another job, or another religion.

 

[dash8driver]

I can't believe the amount of negativity out here because a guy asked a simple question. Some of you idiots need to get a life. MOU, I posted a reply in the regional forum. If you'd like talk about this more pm me.

Give the guy a frickin' break.

dear idiot,

believe it. this is a forum, he asked for opinions and he got them. if you dont want opinions that you dont want to hear, then go ask the question to a yes-man. if you only want opinions that are going to pat you on the back and support your view, this is the wrong place. if you want a variety of honest opinions, this is the place. we've all done our duty to supply him with our honest opinion, while you have held back the opinion you have for him and resulted to insults and a useless post on your part. why dont you provide the other half of the opinions he is looking for. dont be a chickensh!t and do it in PM's.. if you have something worthwhile to add post it, it may help out other people in a similar situation.

give him a break? you want us to lie to him or tell him an opinion of which we do not believe to make him feel better? that would be a disservice. we are participating here, give us a break and participate. maybe you will after you get a life.

 

[nimtz]

As mentioned before, it seems to me most applications ask you when you're willing to work. If you check all the boxes (indicating you'll work anytime), you're not being truthful, and if you make a stink later they'd be within their rights to fire you for lying on your app. If you indicate you won't work weekends/evenings, let the chips fall where they may. If you do that and they DO hire you, they'll just have to work it out.

This is all you need to pull out from the whole discussion. If you check this box on the application you will not be subject to working any of the 365 days per year. If you do not then you will not be hired and then one can sue if they want to, but don't expect anybody on here to tell you that is a great option.

I honestly respect your beliefs, but as has been said it won't work in the airline world. The reason for the negativity on this board is that all of us want to have the key days off to be with family and all of us know what it's like not to get those days off. That goes regardless of who we fly for or what level of seniority we have. With some it strikes a raw nerve when somebody brand new comes on asking if it's possible to get special treatment and still enjoy the job we all apparently are addicted to. Giving up time at home is part of the job you have to learn to deal with and growing up in an airline home I'm very used to. As has been said you're out of luck if your beliefs are strict.

 

[100LL... Again!]

In this country we are beginning to get to the point where too many people think they are entitled to everything.

Why should the religious get special treatment.

Even though I support this person's religious beliefs, stay out of this business if it is incompatible.

It is unfair that many people will wait years on reserve to get a day off EVERY WEEKEND!! Why should your religion essentially be a permit to cut in line.

I'm a right-wing religious guy myself, but if I ever decide that my faith and schedule are incompatible, I will either (1) find a flying job that normally has those days off (unlikely), or (2) go somewhere where I can work it out with my co-workers without me getting special treatment, or (3) change careers.

We are becoming a nation where the whining, greedy "needs" of the minority are considered to be an excuse to abrogate the rights of the majority.

One-man special interest groups must stop.

What if muslims decide airport x-ray macines are against their reigion?

Fine. Take the bus, pal.

 

[100LL... Again!]

What if I wanted to be a bartender in a strip club because they make a lot of money?

But I'm a Christian, so I am not supposed to look at nekkid wimmen.

Maybe I can make them put up a screen so my virgin eyes will remain pure while I shlepp overpriced beer at a bunch fo pathetic traveling salesmen?

Whadaya think?!!



Lemme sum it up for you-

If God wants you to be an airline pilot, He will forgive you for working the Sabbath.

If He does not, well, then you got trouble.

 

[wwcflyboy]

dash8driver,

I gave him my opinion, maybe you need to read my post on the regionals forum, I didn't feel the need to give the same opinion twice.

The poor guy's on here trying to get opinions, not useless sarcasm or negativity. Did I insult you, maybe the shoe fits. . . I would like to see you be able to give some honest, helpful opinions without slamming somebody who attempts to stand up for what he believes.

If you don't have the time to read my opinion in the regional forum on this same subject, I basically said the samething that has been said on here. If you want Saturdays, or for that matter, Tuesdays, guaranteed off, the airlines are the wrong place to be. Enough said. I at least respect a guy for taking a stand and trying to do what's right for him.

 

[sleepy]

edited

Now really, just about every airline application I have ever filled-out had something on it about having to work irregular schedules, nights, weekends and holidays. I would like to have every Saturday off so I can drink beer and watch college football. How is that fair to my co-workers if I get it out of seniority order just because I want it? They all paid their dues working nights, weekends, holidays, etc.... If you stay in the business long enough, you will eventually get your choice of a schedule. But please find something else to do if you can't handle the schedule, don't run to the courts like a baby and try to screw everybody else.

 

[Juvat]

I've always wondered how pilots with fundamental religious beliefs are able to integrate that with their flying schedules. Jewish, Muslim, LDS, & Jehovah's Witness all have sacred days.

Actually, every single Judaeo-Christian religion that professes to follow a book of scripture, whether it be the Bible, Torah, or Quran has a sabbath day. It's rather thick to single out the 4 religions you did in your post, as if they're the only ones who are obligated to follow their religion.

 

[dash8driver]

dash8driver,

I gave him my opinion, maybe you need to read my post on the regionals forum, I didn't feel the need to give the same opinion twice.

The poor guy's on here trying to get opinions, not useless sarcasm or negativity. Did I insult you, maybe the shoe fits. . . I would like to see you be able to give some honest, helpful opinions without slamming somebody who attempts to stand up for what he believes.

If you don't have the time to read my opinion in the regional forum on this same subject, I basically said the samething that has been said on here. If you want Saturdays, or for that matter, Tuesdays, guaranteed off, the airlines are the wrong place to be. Enough said. I at least respect a guy for taking a stand and trying to do what's right for him.

well, if you gave him your opinion on the other thread, keep in there. why do you come here and post useless drivel. seems to me it would be more worthwhile to post it twice than to post what you originally posted here.

you didnt insult me, but people lose sight of how community forums work and cant understand that if you ask for an opinion, you're not going to always get what you want to hear.. and that gets a little old.

the poor guy? what makes you think that? i too gave him my opinion, that it may not be the right place for him.. at least in the airlines. maybe he could find an outfit that doesnt fly on saturdays or something, like an SDA based company, similar to the SDA hospitals. looks like we agree somewhere along the way.

taking a stand? i didnt see him taking a stand, just asking for what people think about trying to get saturdays off. i respect anyone and everyones religion, so long as it doesnt encroach on anyone else's rights.

 

[Juvat]

In this country we are beginning to get to the point where too many people think they are entitled to everything.

Why should the religious get special treatment.

Even though I support this person's religious beliefs, stay out of this business if it is incompatible.

It is unfair that many people will wait years on reserve to get a day off EVERY WEEKEND!! Why should your religion essentially be a permit to cut in line.

I'm a right-wing religious guy myself, but if I ever decide that my faith and schedule are incompatible, I will either (1) find a flying job that normally has those days off (unlikely), or (2) go somewhere where I can work it out with my co-workers without me getting special treatment, or (3) change careers.

We are becoming a nation where the whining, greedy "needs" of the minority are considered to be an excuse to abrogate the rights of the majority.

One-man special interest groups must stop.

What if muslims decide airport x-ray macines are against their reigion?

Fine. Take the bus, pal.

Well said!! Amen brutha!

 

[shamrock]

It's rather thick to single out the 4 religions you did in your post, as if they're the only ones who are obligated to follow their religion.

Would you feel better if she put "etc." at the end of the religions listed?

Seems they were meant as examples, not an all-inclusive list.