Major intentions for regionals

[General Lee]

Funny stuff. The analysts seem to like the idea a lot. But, you don't...... Ohhhh-Kay then..??? Do you shed a tear when you see new UAL 739s and 787s take off ahead of you at IAH? It sure seems like it. Have you watched all your friends leave and now know you won't be able to? Hmmmm. That must be tough. I personally think you may have success overseas. Maybe a contract FO in Nepal, on a Twin otter. Good luck. Grrrrrreat day!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Maybe a contract FO in Nepal, on a Twin otter. Good luck. Grrrrrreat day!
Bye Bye---General Lee

Actually being a contract F/O on a 2Otter would be a pretty greate gig, in Nepal, top of the world! Obviously you have never flown anything bigger than your P/C, because if you did you would know the above is pretty cool. But you haven't so you don't and that is the ultimate truth. Here is a hint, if you want to see how small your weiner is, use a mirror with magnifying feature feature, it will allow you to see past the enormous belly filled with pizza and Mt Dew Code Red.
So howz that refinery again? Big ole DAL got handed a bunch of Yugos and had the wool pulled over their eyes by some good ole boys from Texas. Valuejet buys a bunch of Yugo grade planes, gets bought by a company name LUV, LUV does the math and decides to sell them via the David Hannum concept, "A sucker is born every minute" DAL is like a 5 year old with $20.00 in a candy store, they bought sour gummi worms.
Sorry fatboy, your corporate fanboy club for DAL is crumbling, they are just like every other company, run by people who make good decisions and bad ones too, the fleet of Yugos flown by $195.00 per hour Captains and gassed up by a clapped out refinery are just a couple of the bad ones.

 

[xjhawk]

Have you ever been in one? They are actually quite nice, a better avionics package than the MD88/90, and the price was GREAT. They are leased via SWA until the 2020-2024 range, and the option was given to buy them outright at the end of the leases for the THEN current price ($4-5 million each maybe?). Plus, SWA had to spend $100 million to refurbish them (paint, wifi) and do C-Checks. It was an amazing deal, and it fits a niche that your smaller CR7/9s were trying to fill. There are other examples out there that can be possibly purchased if they come up for sale, currently flying for Blue1 and Volotea in Europe. DL also was authorized by the board to purchase all the MD90s out there, which also was built in limited numbers. RA has been touted by many analysts and recently by the CNBC crew as a genius. But....... You seem to think otherwise.... Oh-Kay..... Thanks for your unsupported opinion...

Also, starting Jan 1st of next year, the 12th year Capt rate on the 717 will be $195 per hour. Not bad, eh? It's the smallest plane at DL too.



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Everything he says is true except one thing. Delta has a management team in place that have played every right move since RA has been at the helm. The refinery is genius and buying the 717 was as well. Waiting on the "glitches" in the 787 program before buying those is a move that will keep Delta ahead of the rest of the industry and when those glitches are all gone, Delta will swoop in and make an order for the next variant that is longer and can mean more profits.

The one thing the General is wrong is that the 717 is not Delta's smallest plane. That honor would go to the CRJ's being flown by Delta's very own Endeavor Air.. The General is right that the Delta pilots smallest plane is the 717, but Delta has smaller planes. We share many things with the Delta pilots, the product we give to Delta passengers, payroll departments, IT department, office buildings in MSP, and even the parking lots and the "most admired Employees" shuttle bus we take to work. But we do not share the CRJ pay rates, generous sick time (we get 25 hours a year, they get 170??) and profit sharing as the Delta pilots. Some Delta pilots profit sharing checks were about 1/2 of what an Endeavor Air First officer makes while our performance goal checks last year were like $70. (ALPA Brothers and sisters??, I think not). How much profit has Endeavor contributed to the Delta bottom line? I have Delta jump seaters who do not even know we are owned by Delta or think that we have a flow to Delta, or even worse, think that the 35% success rate of the SSP interviews is a good deal.

Many at Endeavor see our days as numbered as our attrition is so great and working conditions are so bad we all expect the company not to be able to staff planes as they cannot hire to keep up with attrition. The product we give Delta is because of our professionalism and I like many of my fellow pilots will not let how we are treated reflect on safety and the product we give our Delta Passengers. But what most of us are doing is actively seeking employment outside of Endeavor and will leave ASAP to another airline. Just how will Delta replace the 10,000 seats that Endeavor Air flies in the Delta system? Skywest? Republic? XJT? Really?

 

[General Lee]

Everything he says is true except one thing. Delta has a management team in place that have played every right move since RA has been at the helm. The refinery is genius and buying the 717 was as well. Waiting on the "glitches" in the 787 program before buying those is a move that will keep Delta ahead of the rest of the industry and when those glitches are all gone, Delta will swoop in and make an order for the next variant that is longer and can mean more profits.

The one thing the General is wrong is that the 717 is not Delta's smallest plane. That honor would go to the CRJ's being flown by Delta's very own Endeavor Air.. The General is right that the Delta pilots smallest plane is the 717, but Delta has smaller planes. We share many things with the Delta pilots, the product we give to Delta passengers, payroll departments, IT department, office buildings in MSP, and even the parking lots and the "most admired Employees" shuttle bus we take to work. But we do not share the CRJ pay rates, generous sick time (we get 25 hours a year, they get 170??) and profit sharing as the Delta pilots. Some Delta pilots profit sharing checks were about 1/2 of what an Endeavor Air First officer makes while our performance goal checks last year were like $70. (ALPA Brothers and sisters??, I think not). How much profit has Endeavor contributed to the Delta bottom line? I have Delta jump seaters who do not even know we are owned by Delta or think that we have a flow to Delta, or even worse, think that the 35% success rate of the SSP interviews is a good deal.

Many at Endeavor see our days as numbered as our attrition is so great and working conditions are so bad we all expect the company not to be able to staff planes as they cannot hire to keep up with attrition. The product we give Delta is because of our professionalism and I like many of my fellow pilots will not let how we are treated reflect on safety and the product we give our Delta Passengers. But what most of us are doing is actively seeking employment outside of Endeavor and will leave ASAP to another airline. Just how will Delta replace the 10,000 seats that Endeavor Air flies in the Delta system? Skywest? Republic? XJT? Really?

XJHawk,

I hear what you are saying, and I wish DL would hire more of you. I honestly think they don't like flow ups or any of that, and would rather have HR handle it all. Obviously DCI pilots living in current DL bases would be a great fit, they already are established in the community. Maybe the legacy doesn't want pilots from their own feed to be taken, but they risk losing them to the other legacies as a result. If you have some PIC and can't get the DL interview or UAL/AA, then I suggest JB and just wait a year or so. I know the legacies will try to poach LCC pilots coming up here. It might lead you there (any of the big 3) faster.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Actually being a contract F/O on a 2Otter would be a pretty greate gig, in Nepal, top of the world! Obviously you have never flown anything bigger than your P/C, because if you did you would know the above is pretty cool. But you haven't so you don't and that is the ultimate truth. Here is a hint, if you want to see how small your weiner is, use a mirror with magnifying feature feature, it will allow you to see past the enormous belly filled with pizza and Mt Dew Code Red.
So howz that refinery again? Big ole DAL got handed a bunch of Yugos and had the wool pulled over their eyes by some good ole boys from Texas. Valuejet buys a bunch of Yugo grade planes, gets bought by a company name LUV, LUV does the math and decides to sell them via the David Hannum concept, "A sucker is born every minute" DAL is like a 5 year old with $20.00 in a candy store, they bought sour gummi worms.
Sorry fatboy, your corporate fanboy club for DAL is crumbling, they are just like every other company, run by people who make good decisions and bad ones too, the fleet of Yugos flown by $195.00 per hour Captains and gassed up by a clapped out refinery are just a couple of the bad ones.

Uhhhh, the safety record in Nepal ain't great. A couple twotters or Dornier 228s have crashed lately. And with you as FO, I doubt it would get any safer. Btw, I have a better chance at seeing that part of the World or close to it than you do, and not on a PC..... But, you get to see Bakersfield nonstop from IAH on your CR7..... Good for you!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

XJHawk,

Maybe the legacy doesn't want pilots from their own feed to be takenBye Bye---General Lee

My goodness, you YOU don't know the reason Jenny Troll~! You seem (to think anyway) know everything! Putz!

 

[General Lee]

My goodness, you YOU don't know the reason Jenny Troll~! You seem (to think anyway) know everything! Putz!

I said "maybe", and it's all speculation anyway, except your certain career move---back to NAM....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Rich Jenni, same old lame response. About what one would expect from an internet troll. Putz!

 

[xjhawk]

gl, i agree. if I am still here i will give 100% to my interview to DL. But the current state of life at Endeavor is not one to make me wait for DL. Which will hurt DL. My professionalism and that of my FO makes it such that I have passengers thanking me for our service to them for our product on a plane that is terrible to fly in. When late I keep them informed and give them a reason (to an extent) of why we are late. When we are ontime, I keep them informed of gates and weather at their desitnaiton. I also say good bye to them and thank them for being our customer. I enjoy all of this, as do many of my coworkers. I just wish the place I worked was a place I wanted to stay.

 

[xjhawk]

General Lee-you being a Delta pilot and as you have always had a lot of insight on what Delta wants and what Delta pilots want. Just by you saying that majors do not want to hire from their regionals when DELTA and DELTA PILOTS negotiated in good faith to offer a program to be hired at Delta to the Endeavor pilots in return for a crappy contract and to make millions for Delta-that means you are saying that Delta and your union negotiated in bad faith? hmm, yes. peachy.

 

[General Lee]

General Lee-you being a Delta pilot and as you have always had a lot of insight on what Delta wants and what Delta pilots want. Just by you saying that majors do not want to hire from their regionals when DELTA and DELTA PILOTS negotiated in good faith to offer a program to be hired at Delta to the Endeavor pilots in return for a crappy contract and to make millions for Delta-that means you are saying that Delta and your union negotiated in bad faith? hmm, yes. peachy.

Hey hey, easy bud. I said some of the legacies MAY NOT want to hire from their feed, but I also said I wish they did because the pilots are already established in their hubs. It would be really easy for everyone. I also said the airlines want their HR departments to be in charge of hiring, not the pilots. Back in 07 you could try to get a buddy hired by getting guys working in the CPO to give an initial phone interview and then get approved for the actual interview. That way of doing it is gone now.

I personally don't know what the acceptance rate is for Endeavor pilots in those interviews, but I hope it is high. It's too bad that wasn't worked out exactly in your last contract, guaranteeing a certain number of actual jobs and not just a certain number of interviews. I don't know if DALPA had anything to do with your Endeavor contract.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[wms]

General Lee-you being a Delta pilot and as you have always had a lot of insight on what Delta wants and what Delta pilots want. Just by you saying that majors do not want to hire from their regionals when DELTA and DELTA PILOTS negotiated in good faith to offer a program to be hired at Delta to the Endeavor pilots in return for a crappy contract and to make millions for Delta-that means you are saying that Delta and your union negotiated in bad faith? hmm, yes. peachy.

Knowing the majors were going to need all the pilots they can get, you should've voted against the poor contract that everyone knew would not deliver. Don't blame other pilot groups, blame your own yes voters.

 

[WSurf]

What's going to be funny is when you really see the regional pilot crunch.

Delta, American, United all have extensive regional flying......

American sets up interviews and knows that its feeder regionals are in a total pilot crunch. Who do most likely select??? A.) A delta regional pilot that doesn't work for your system. B) A united regional pilot that doesn't work for you system or C) American regional pilot that if you hire puts more burden on your regional system???

I know it's early but don't be surprised if many of the Majors go directly at other Majors Regional pilots before sucking up there own. My feeling down the road many Mainline airlines will protect themselves with flow thru's to retain pilots at the regional level. Should be fun to watch.

 

[wms]

Recruiters have said they are going to annihilate the regionals of other carriers. It'll be interesting to see what strategies they use.

 

[General Lee]

Same goes for LCC competitors. They are all targets.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Same goes for LCC competitors. They are all targets.Bye Bye---General Lee

Master of the obvious. Farce!

 

[xjhawk]

I voted yes to this crappy contract for one simple reason. I wanted 2 years to look for a new job instead of just 1. Our local ALPA reps, Delta's reps, and ALPA national all said that we should vote yes otherwise Delta would shut us down. Then all three ALPA bodies worked with Delta to create "career opportunities" at Delta if we voted yes. This information came from a road show I heard personally from our MEC Chair. ALPA had a vested interest in this and my assumptions are that our local reps all thought they were buying a job at Delta (many were turned down after their interviews-basically they were used to make us sign yes, then discarded), DALPA saw our voting yes as a means to increase their profit sharing checks, and ALPA national had language placed in the contract that said if we voted out ALPA, we lose all of our planes. It was a win win win deal for everyone except most of the Endeavor pilots-especially the FO's who lost the most. They are at the bottom of the industry for pay and no prospects for upgrade. At one point our success rate was at a low of 35% for those getting the job offer at Delta. But now its at about 50% I guess. Don't get me wrong, I will be thankful when my time comes for the interview and will be prepared ( I am willing to spend the time and money to be prepared) and only hope I do well. That being said, I have seen some great people who have walked away from the interview with their head hanging low. But on the flip side, I have seen Delta make some great decisions and not take some people-but again, on the flip side, sometimes I shake my head and wonder how someone got a Delta job offer. I just wonder how much staffing at Endeavor will have to do with if Delta makes someone an offer. That is why even if I am placed in the Delta pool, I will still be trying very hard to go somewhere else. I have had promises broken by Delta and ALPA before so I am skeptical of the current situation. Oh and many at Endeavor seem to be holding onto this notion that they want Delta to have a flow for Endeavor pilots. Except for the 40 grandfathered Mesaba flows (luck SOB's), ask the 800 or so other Mesaba pilots who had their flow option stolen from them by Delta and ALPA what they think of flows to Delta. We say its not worth as much as the free toilet paper we get at a public restroom. At least I can wipe my a$$ with the free cheap toilet paper.

 

[General Lee]

I voted yes to this crappy contract for one simple reason. I wanted 2 years to look for a new job instead of just 1. Our local ALPA reps, Delta's reps, and ALPA national all said that we should vote yes otherwise Delta would shut us down. Then all three ALPA bodies worked with Delta to create "career opportunities" at Delta if we voted yes. This information came from a road show I heard personally from our MEC Chair. ALPA had a vested interest in this and my assumptions are that our local reps all thought they were buying a job at Delta (many were turned down after their interviews-basically they were used to make us sign yes, then discarded), DALPA saw our voting yes as a means to increase their profit sharing checks, and ALPA national had language placed in the contract that said if we voted out ALPA, we lose all of our planes. It was a win win win deal for everyone except most of the Endeavor pilots-especially the FO's who lost the most. They are at the bottom of the industry for pay and no prospects for upgrade. At one point our success rate was at a low of 35% for those getting the job offer at Delta. But now its at about 50% I guess. Don't get me wrong, I will be thankful when my time comes for the interview and will be prepared ( I am willing to spend the time and money to be prepared) and only hope I do well. That being said, I have seen some great people who have walked away from the interview with their head hanging low. But on the flip side, I have seen Delta make some great decisions and not take some people-but again, on the flip side, sometimes I shake my head and wonder how someone got a Delta job offer. I just wonder how much staffing at Endeavor will have to do with if Delta makes someone an offer. That is why even if I am placed in the Delta pool, I will still be trying very hard to go somewhere else. I have had promises broken by Delta and ALPA before so I am skeptical of the current situation. Oh and many at Endeavor seem to be holding onto this notion that they want Delta to have a flow for Endeavor pilots. Except for the 40 grandfathered Mesaba flows (luck SOB's), ask the 800 or so other Mesaba pilots who had their flow option stolen from them by Delta and ALPA what they think of flows to Delta. We say its not worth as much as the free toilet paper we get at a public restroom. At least I can wipe my a$$ with the free cheap toilet paper.

I still think you should apply to all 3 big ones (you may have already tried US), and some LCCs. I think also you said you might be interested in Hawaiian. That's good, throw apps out to all of the ones you are interested in, go to the job fairs if you can, and continue to network (with jumpseaters etc). Just stay clean with the FAA and try to avoid sick calls if you can, and things will happen for you. Eventually you will have an easy time getting something as retirements really ramp up, but you really want to be in an initial wave of hiring, say the first two years. DL doesn't really lose a lot of pilots until the latter half of this decade, so getting on earlier at any of the big 3 would be a plus. I'm glad you're willing to pay for a prep course too. Very smart.



Bye Bye---General Lee